Kroos is one of the best players in the world in his position and would walk into any team on the planet. If he is indeed available there will be no shortage of buyers . You don't just let other clubs buy him because you have no room, you make room.
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Rather have Pogba, Vidal, Modric, Yaya Toure, Thiago, Koke, Shweistiger, Fabregas and a fit Gundogan, so there............
If we miss out on him because LVG wants Strootman i don't see the big deal. He is not 'the best centre midfielder in the world'.
Rather have Pogba, Vidal, Modric, Yaya Toure, Thiago, Koke, Shweistiger, Fabregas and a fit Gundogan, so there............
If we miss out on him because LVG wants Strootman i don't see the big deal. He is not 'the best centre midfielder in the world'.
He's probably the closest thing to Scholes you'll ever see walking out at OT if it happened. Thiago? The same Thiago that gives the ball away for fun? Haha you are clueless!
Thiago does not give the ball away "for fun". He is brilliant at holding the ball. A very fine defensive man too.
He will be 23 next season and should rock the world. Would he have played against Real the score wouldnt have been 5:0. I rate him very very highly.
Spain missed him big time in Brazil. Young and dynamic.
He and Toni should be our future.
To the ranking; its always hard to rank players, the top is sooo close these days. But Toni is a top 5 CM for me and Thiago not far behind that.
He's very neat and tidy and obviously a very good player. But there are better players who offer more going forward. He keeps possession well in all fairness to him but can look a little one paced.
Real are reportedly interested.
He is not the fastet around. But not far behind the best level. And he is 24!! There are some CMs who are better but these guys are way older.
I cant remember a player his age being better. He kicks Schweinis(I love him) ass in that age. Schweini was out of position but its mind blowing how good he is.
Personally if I was Kroos I'd get my head down, play out of my skin for the season and get the bumper new deal I so obviously want.
Thiago wouldn't have been bought by Guardiola if he gives away the back cheaply.
Rather have Pogba, Vidal, Modric, Yaya Toure, Thiago, Koke, Shweistiger, Fabregas and a fit Gundogan, so there............
If we miss out on him because LVG wants Strootman i don't see the big deal. He is not 'the best centre midfielder in the world'.
I wouldn't trust Pogba for a moment. He engineered a move away from United and trashed on our club.
jesus have you watched him play everyone knows he does! For all his qualities, lax in posession is his biggest weakness.
Thiago vs Kroos.....My God whats next Schneiderlin vs Vidal
I would prefer another ball winner in midfield rather than Kroos, our main problem last season was getting totally overran in midfield when not in possession, because of this our attack was blunted by our forwards dropping into midfield to help out. Two tenacious midfielder's, Herrera being one of them, bossing the midfield will allow our forwards to concentrate on the final third.
What's that supposed to mean? Thiago's one of the best young midfielders in the world and destined to be world class. He was also exceptional for Bayern last season when he wasn't injured.
Nonsense. He left in search for playing time and went to a club that actually gave it to him. He'd still be playing in reserves had he stayed at United knowing us.
Wow? Last year Thiago was the man now his compared to Schneiderlin. I wonder who we will be comparing Kroos to next year after his move? At the end of the day every year we seem to have a flavour of the summer and for some reason he is without question the greatest player on the planet. All I'm saying is there are plenty midfielders of his level out there. Pjanic is another one that is of the same level.
And given the season he has had, that seems to have turned out ok for him.
Not sure he trashed our club, rather he had belief in his own ability - a trait I am not sure goes down well in England when it concerns young players.
I'd have him back in a heart beat.
Spot on. He thought he was better than the reserves (and deserved a start ahead of Rafael in midfield - if the talk is right) - and he was right. No problems with that at all. Belief in your ability and being willing to move on to get that chance is the sign of a determination and exactly what you'd want, and expect to see.
Some people bang on as if he should show undying loyalty to the club - even though we nicked him from a club in France where he'd been for years.
It's pure. Poetry,
The same guy that set the Bundasliga Passes and touches record in Feb?
Gotta love the caf...
How much have you seen Thiago play for Barca and Bayern? From your comments, seems not too much.
Eh? Yes I've watched both of them on a few occasions and its always appeared that they have at least the same passing ability and Thiago is certainly not lax in possession.
Well Januzaj got his chance at 18. Pogba watched inferior players play in midfield ahead of him when he was 18 before he made the move. I really think he made the right decision at the time and don't blame him.
Neither do I. He was good enough yet he wasn't given a chance like Januzaj was, at a time where our midfield was shite and we were ravaged with injuries. Park-Rafael in central midfield and bringing back Scholesy was probably the final straw for him and I don't blame him for wanting to move. Raiola is obviously a massive bellend and was probably in his ear all the time but a fair share of the blame certainly lies on Fergie's door.
Anyway, I doubt he cares too much. He's winning league titles and playing in the Champions League and the World Cup while we're still trying to fix the errors of last season while still having an incompetent midfield (excluding Herrera of course).
I don't disagree entirely. The move has worked well for him, but I think he could have been more patient and had the breakthrough season he had at Juventus for us. I reckon his agent has a lot to do with his move. I just disagree with your statement that if he'd stayed he'd probably still be in the reserves, as if we don't give young players chances.
fecking hell, is there no escaping the Pogba debate?
I can see how a young player could have been disillusioned with his position at the club when he couldn't break through at a time when our midfield was in the worst shape in decades. Obviously I have exaggerated with the reserves thing but I wouldn't be surprised if he was still a bit part player for another couple of years with Fergie prefering Cleverley and Moyes prefering Fellaini. We can leave Pogba alone though, he isn't coming back here and he'll have an amazing career regardless, and will be regarded as one of the world's 5 best midfielders one day - hopefully at the same time Herrera will be mentioned in the same breath.
Thiago and Kroos are at a very similar level while Schneiderlin vs Vidal difference is very big.
We do, but to this day, I have no idea why Pogba wasn't given a chance during the whole Park-Rafael in midfield scandal. He looked bored of the reserves (which may be a reason why others outshone him in the reserves) but he was clearly our best young midfield talent and many fans were calling for him to start but if I recall correctly he was only given a few dead rubber games towards the end of the season and the usual Mickey Mouse appearances.
While United are a club that give youngsters a chance, it can certainly be argued that Pogba wasn't given a fair chance by United.
Pogba has been done to death, in fairness, and I don't wish to carry it on. I just think it's daft to suggest he'd still be in the reserves or a bit part player if he were still here, when we have an example of a kid promoted to the first team and getting plenty of first team action just last season.
I'm not sure I'd agree with you especially since SAF had a clear timetable for him, as he does with all young hopefuls. Pogba challenged SAF and decided he was wrong. Pretty arrogant for a young player to think he knows better than someone who has been responsible for the astronomical success of players like Giggs, Scholes, Beckham and a dozen or so more other players. Of course, we will never know how successful he would have been with United but it is clear that he wants to leave his present club already.
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This transfer just will not go away will it?
Coincidentally after the lesson of Pogba. I doubt his fortunes and our treatment of Adnan are not unrelated.
Not to mention they were here under different managers effectively.
Did anyone really think that we'd be able to get Kroos for 25 mil...
It's not that he's lax, it's moreso that he's willing to try the risky ball through which doesn't always come off. I think it's entirely reasonable way to play, you could say the exact same thing about Cesc. Passing completion stats mean nothing if you don't score goals.
The fact that under Guardiola at Barca, he got SIGNIFICANT game time at such a young age, when they have players like Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets etc. says something about his abilities. I'd rate him just as high as Kroos, and he probably has a higher ceiling too imo.
Does anyone still care??
They are similar in terms of level and in terms of style as well.
Spanish newspaper AS report on Friday that Manchester United have made contact with Toni Kroos and that the German midfielder has been given an ultimatum by his current club. Bayern Munich has sent a message to Kroos in Brazil to say they want to know his intentions as soon as he gets back from the World Cup. Kroos hasn't taken kindly to heavy handed Bayern Munich behaviour previously and he's unlikely to be impressedthis time around.
http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/...ester-united-contact-with-toni-kroos-reported
http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/...ester-united-contact-with-toni-kroos-reported
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