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SolidState said:
Yes because Chelsea usually sign the players they go for. We struggle to sign players offered to us with bizarre statements to the press just saying "we weren't interested"
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You do realise the advantages that Chelsea have though? CL football, arguably the most highly rated manager in world football, location, a better finish last year and ultimately a better team currently.

It's arrogant to think that if a player doesn't come here then it's because someone fecked up, especially when we're in our worst predicament in about 15 years and that player is currently at one of the best teams in the world and the best team in his home country.
 
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You do realise the advantages that Chelsea have though? CL football, arguably the most highly rated manager in world football, location, a better finish last year and ultimately a better team currently.

It's arrogant to think that if a player doesn't come here then it's because someone fecked up, especially when we're in our worst predicament in about 15 years and that player is currently at one of the best teams in the world and the best team in his home country.
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Were Manchester fecking united not spurs, Arsenal or even Man City we should be swift and clinical with signings, you don't see Juve missing out cos they aren't in Milan/Rome, Madrid because they aren't in the more popular Barcelona.

What stopped City from signing top players before the CL? Nothing.

We have to stop apologising for Woodward if he had a clue we'd already have several deals "agreed in principle"
 
SolidState said:
Were Manchester fecking united not spurs, Arsenal or even Man City we should be swift and clinical with signings, you don't see Juve missing out cos they aren't in Milan/Rome, Madrid because they aren't in the more popular Barcelona.

What stopped City from signing top players before the CL? Nothing.

We have to stop apologising for Woodward if he had a clue we'd already have several deals "agreed in principle"
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Who said we haven't? How do you know Shaw isn't 'in principle' signed and that we are tightening up deals between two or three... Really you don't know! We are not the only top club not to make big signings yet.
 
SolidState said:
Were Manchester fecking united not spurs, Arsenal or even Man City we should be swift and clinical with signings, you don't see Juve missing out cos they aren't in Milan/Rome, Madrid because they aren't in the more popular Barcelona.

What stopped City from signing top players before the CL? Nothing.

We have to stop apologising for Woodward if he had a clue we'd already have several deals "agreed in principle"
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On the pitch last season we weren't any better than Spurs.

Almost all of the signings that City have made weren't from the biggest clubs in Europe -I can only think of Yaya Toure to disagree with that. Kroos is basically at the pinnacle of world football, so moving from Bayern to us is a strange move when he inevitably has more attractive options available. He was in a team that made us look extremely average last year.

Our transfer strategy in the past year has been completely stupid and has contributed to people giving Woodward and the club a lot of flak, if Woodward is to blame for the targets then he deserves the flak. Moyes has to take a large element of blame for this however with his poor judgement of players and inability to spot talent/believe in his ability to do so. He came in and decided to go after the best players in Europe who are already at the biggest clubs in Europe and when it inevitably failed he went after a player he knew in Fellaini. The other top clubs - Madrid apart - don't even use this strategy. We should be signing players from 3rd-10th in the top leagues like everyone else - hopefully we're moving back to this strategy with the signing of Shaw.
 
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Hes a great player would be good to see him in our midfield alongside Fabregas, Matic, Hazard, and Willian with Oscar, Ramires and Van ginkel for the subs rotating with Oscar as he gains maturity.
 
I think Cech will probably leave, but you're right, that's a brilliant squad. If they get Varane as well...
 
That team is fantastic - it works coherently as well.

I remember Mourinho saying that his preferred formation was the old Chelsea 4-3-3, as opposed to a 4-2-3-1 with a pure attacking midfielder. It was when he first came to England and he spoke about how the extra man allows you to control the most important area of the pitch and provide options to the player on the ball. I wouldn't be surprised if he played that way, it suits his football better as well which is always built from a solid base.
 
Fabregas, Costa, Luis, Courtois, Lukaku, and potentially Kroos in with Luiz sold for £50m.

Surely has to be one of, if not the single greatest transfer window for a club ever if these moves all materialize. Costa and Luis are all but done so Kroos is the only one that looks iffy.

Address every one of your sides needs in one fell swoop with top class players and convince another to pay way over the odds for a bench player.
 
Orc said:
Fabregas, Costa, Luis, Courtois, Lukaku, and potentially Kroos in with Luiz sold for £50m.

Surely has to be one of, if not the single greatest transfer window for a club ever if these moves all materialize. Costa and Luis are all but done so Kroos is the only one that looks iffy.

Address every one of your sides needs in one fell swoop with top class players and convince another to pay way over the odds for a bench player.
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Lukaku and Courtois will both leave Chelsea permanently within a year, and the only reason they'd sign Kroos would be if Oscar was leaving, otherwise Fabregas would get no pitch time at all.
 
hobbers said:
Lukaku and Courtois will both leave Chelsea permanently within a year, and the only reason they'd sign Kroos would be if Oscar was leaving, otherwise Fabregas would get no pitch time at all.
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Mourinho was quoted yesterday saying Courtois is back. They may indeed sell Lukaku but I think he stays and gets plenty of game time.

As far as Oscar goes, it wouldn't be the end of the world. Firstly, they'd probably bleed PSG or someone for an insane fee like they did with Luiz and could move Fabregas into the #10 position with Kroos next to Matic.
 
Orc said:
Mourinho was quoted yesterday saying Courtois is back. They may indeed sell Lukaku but I think he stays and gets plenty of game time.

As far as Oscar goes, it wouldn't be the end of the world. Firstly, they'd probably bleed PSG or someone for an insane fee like they did with Luiz and could move Fabregas into the #10 position with Kroos next to Matic.
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He's back but he won't stay back, after the season he's just had there's no way he's going to stay at Chelsea to play in 50% or less of the games. And if he's forced to he'll cause a fair amount of disharmony. Lukaku's future will depend on Diego Costa's fitness, because Mourinho won't rotate them otherwise.

I can't see him letting Kroos play alongside Matic, Ramires will be starting almost every match, unless he's sold.
 
I think Kroos is even better than his performance today against the Portuguese. Portugal had quite a lot of ball today even if they conceded possession quickly (especially in the second half). When Kroos is on song, the other team suffocates.
 
I think we must keep Lukaku this time as he has now proven himself enough for a top club, and we will need top cover for Costa if he gets injured.

Ba and Torres are ok as squad players.
 
I know Muller got the hat-trick but I thought Kroos was their best player. His touch is excellent and his forward passes are like bullets. They got from back to forward so quick.
 
Cina said:
I know Muller got the hat-trick but I thought Kroos was their best player. His touch is excellent and his forward passes are like bullets. They got from back to forward so quick.
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Agreed. Muller did his usual thing of being incredibly, incredibly clinical (and, by the by, a total wanker) and got the plaudits. He also lost the ball more than any other player on the pitch, and generally contributed little other than the goals. That's not a criticism - it's what he does, and it's what he's in the team to do. But Kroos was their best performer. Ran the game from start to finish.
 
There seems to be alot of toing and throwing regarding this, I would be shocked and surprised if we landed him but also ecstatic. The word on the midfield front is very quiet, we all know this is the weakest area of the squad. Now with Giggs gone, Carrick coming into potentially and realistically the last season of his top level career, Fletcher seemingly and sadly half the player he was before his op and now Cleverley almost certain to leave it leaves us with Fellaini and Rooney (Deployed in midfield) or Jones as our only real competitive players that can perform to the level we need.

It would seem we need numbers in this area especially if Van Gaal is goign to play the way he wants (Fellaini is not a posession based passer and Fletcher nor Carrick have the required qualities to play to that intensity anymore). So it would make no sense what so ever for us to not be interested in signing at least at the very minimum 2 world class midfielders who have a posession based game with the ability to turn defense into attack in the blink of an eye. Two midfielders in world football who are fit and available are Kroos and Vidal. Bck up options could be Koke and Herrera albeit with skills leaning to one area rather than both. Another option would be pairing a defensive hard worker such as Carvalho with an all out attacking option Fabregas.

Now pulling directly from my arse here, perhaps LVG has decided against Fabregas and the stupidly expensive Carvalho as they do not posess the ultimate quality he wants so those deals were offered and thus refused.

Koke seemingly wants to stay at Madrid, understandable not happening, hell end up at Barca eventually. Herrera, doable, has a defensive bite and creative flair to suit the LVG system, tricky to get, very stubborn sellers and he also seemingly wants to stay.

Now the top targets, whats going on with Vidal 24m is branded around as is 60m (mostly by forum goers) surely, surely he is our top target, the perfect player, the worlds best, LVG has iterated an interest, Juve supposedly interested in Nani to me this HAS to happen and is potentially the easiest signing of the lot to get, Juve dont seem to bothered about losing him, theres been literally nothing from him or the Juve camp.

Kroos the ever changing enigma, highly unlikely, Bayern are digging their heels in and to me at least it seems lijke Kroos has admitted defeat HOWEVER maybe Bayern will change their mind, most likely to pay him what he wants but more likely is their loyalty to the national team and rather than switch his attentions to shiny new things they will wait until after the cup to properly adress his situation.
 
100 said:
You do realise the advantages that Chelsea have thoughTr? CL football, arguably the most hig

hly rated manager in world football, location, a better finish last year and ultimately a better team currently.

It's arrogant to think that if a player doesn't come here then it's because someone fecked up, especially when we're in our worst predicament in about 15 years and that player is currently at one of the best teams in the world and the best team in his home country.
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Mourinho is easily the most highly rated manager on the planet. His record is incredible and his pull with top players is second to known. Anyone can see that he is building a very, very exciting team. They will be CL contenders for sure over the coming years.

SolidState said:
Were Manchester fecking united not spurs, Arsenal or even Man City we should be swift and clinical with signings, you don't see Juve missing out cos they aren't in Milan/Rome, Madrid because they aren't in the more popular Barcelona.

What stopped City from signing top players before the CL? Nothing.

We have to stop apologising for Woodward if he had a clue we'd already have several deals "agreed in principle"
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It's not Woodward's fault we're in this position - the only irritating thing is all these media briefs that ''we would spend 100 million on one player'' and about our massive warchest and all the top players we're going for.

That said, there can be no excuses at the end of summer. Money solves every single weakness we have (see: City, PSG, Monaco, and 2003 Chelsea) - and we have A LOT, in terms of attracting top payers. We have to throw bucket loads of cash at a couple of big signings to make up for our lackluster transfer policy of the last six years. Or fall further behind, undoubtedly. This decision is solely up to the Glazers.

Mainoldo said:
Who said we haven't? How do you know Shaw isn't 'in principle' signed and that we are tightening up deals between two or three... Really you don't know! We are not the only top club not to make big signings yet.
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True, though no other top club is nearly as desperate for new blood as us. Truly.
 
Brightonian said:
Agreed. Muller did his usual thing of being incredibly, incredibly clinical (and, by the by, a total wanker) and got the plaudits. He also lost the ball more than any other player on the pitch, and generally contributed little other than the goals. That's not a criticism - it's what he does, and it's what he's in the team to do. But Kroos was their best performer. Ran the game from start to finish.
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He had 2 key passes - the pass before the penalty came from a pass combination and a run from him from the right to the inside - Müller-Özil-Müller-Götze

It is just normal that Müller in his position and with the risk taking he does has more bad passes or ball losses. He is seldom doing something free in the field but in an area where the defenders do not let you do what you want.

But I like that "little other than goals" - that is when you remark that people do not see what a player really does... There is more than the ball action - Müller had 47 or 48 sprints yesterday (usually he has around 25 to 30 in Bundesliga matches) and that in the heat - on the search of holes and spaces for him and others.
 
Blackwidow said:
He had 2 key passes - the pass before the penalty came from a pass combination and a run from him from the right to the inside - Müller-Özil-Müller-Götze

It is just normal that Müller in his position and with the risk taking he does has more bad passes or ball losses. He is seldom doing something free in the field but in an area where the defenders do not let you do what you want.

But I like that "little other than goals" - that is when you remark that people do not see what a player really does... There is more than the ball action - Müller had 47 or 48 sprints yesterday (usually he has around 25 to 30 in Bundesliga matches) and that in the heat - on the search of holes and spaces for him and others.
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Read. The. Post. I acknowledged that Muller is there for the goals, that he is there to play in the difficult areas where losing the ball quite a lot is inevitable. And obviously I saw the runs, because constantly making those runs is the reason he gets the goals - which as I said, is his contribution to the game.

Fully understanding that 'there is more than the ball action', I maintain that Kroos was Germany's best performer. By which I mean that if you leave Muller out of the game, Germany's performance suffers less than if you leave Kroos out.

From the first whistle Kroos established Germany's total control over possession, and the tempo and range of his passing was the reason that possession was dangerous rather than stagnant (like Spain's). Portugal were outclassed even before the red card, and were leaving holes. Without Muller, Germany would still have scored goals. Without Kroos, it would have been an entirely different game and we can't honestly predict what would have happened.

I'm not trying to slag off Muller. He was Germany's second best player, for me. I'm just complimenting Kroos.
 
It probably has been a rumour before, but "kicker" are now saying that Barcelona are very much interested in him.
 
bucky said:
It probably has been a rumour before, but "kicker" are now saying that Barcelona are very much interested in him.
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The "Xavi" replacement perhaps? Though they've just signed (or are signing) Rakitic, who's a bit more direct.

They should just tell him they stuffed up and just beg Thiago to come back :lol:. Midfield problems would almost immediately be solved.
 
Ish84045 said:
The "Xavi" replacement perhaps? Though they've just signed (or are signing) Rakitic, who's a bit more direct.

They should just tell him they stuffed up and just beg Thiago to come back :lol:. Midfield problems would almost immediately be solved.
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I'd think so. According to kicker Barcelona have put in an offer at his agency. Usually they are very reliable when it comes to German players. It's hardly a done deal, but it should strengthen his position further towards Munich.

They also have Thiago's brother now, who can play central midfield as well. Rakitic, Rafinha and Kroos could be all they need for their midfield.
 
bucky said:
I'd think so. According to kicker Barcelona have put in an offer at his agency. Usually they are very reliable when it comes to German players. It's hardly a done deal, but it should strengthen his position further towards Munich.

They also have Thiago's brother now, who can play central midfield as well. Rakitic, Rafinha and Kroos could be all they need for their midfield.
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Yep, they should be well stocked in midfield, but losing Thiago really was a sin.
 
Well to be fair Pep made the Bayern team play Barcelona football for the season and Kroos excelled in their system so he's basically suited from the word go.
 
Since the Kroos saga started I always had an eye on the world cup.
For me he and our Board had some meetings and came to an agreement.
Show off this season and we give you big money. IF he has a great world cup I expect 9 million and he should take that.
German club, THE German club, where you can become a German legend. Big money, great future etc.
 
bucky said:
I'd think so. According to kicker Barcelona have put in an offer at his agency. Usually they are very reliable when it comes to German players. It's hardly a done deal, but it should strengthen his position further towards Munich.

They also have Thiago's brother now, who can play central midfield as well. Rakitic, Rafinha and Kroos could be all they need for their midfield.
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Why should it strengthen his position in his contract talks to Munich - there has been all kind of offers for him from other clubs with better financial conditions for awhile now. There is reasons why they do not value him as much as others - or why they do not want to destroy their wage construct for him. And I do not think that it is only about the performance on the pitch.
 
Blackwidow said:
Why should it strengthen his position in his contract talks to Munich - there has been all kind of offers for him from other clubs with better financial conditions for awhile now. There is reasons why they do not value him as much as others - or why they do not want to destroy their wage construct for him. And I do not think that it is only about the performance on the pitch.
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Because there's a difference between rumoured interest and actually having an offer on the table. We were never an option according to him, whether that's calculated is a different matter, but currently Barcelona have more to offer than we do. The better team, Xavi and Fabregas leaving, probably similar wages to ours and playing in the Champions League. I'm not sure to which clubs you are referring, which have better financial conditions than Munich, I'm sure, if they were willing they could match any offer. It's a matter if he feels being valued by Munich and Barcelona could give him that.
 
AS claiming renties are offering 8mil euros a year to Kroos to play at Stamford Bridge.
 
He won't go to Chelsea unless they sell Oscar, which isn't happening. Mourinho simply won't play Kroos, Fabregas and Oscar in the same team.
 
If there is a one man in Brazil that all the big clubs are after, with the exception of Luis Suárez, it is Toni Kroos. The German midfielder only has one year left on his contract with Bayern Munich, which makes his signature very attractive and gives him the tag of one of the most wanted men in Brazil this summer.

According to sources checked by this paper, both Real Madrid and FC Barcelona have representatives in South America trying to convince the German midfielder to choose one or the other of the Spanish giants.The situation regarding Real Madrid's current central players means the club must look at all possibilities to strengthen that area. Angel Di María has left his future at the club up in the air; Sami Khedira could leave at any time if a good offer comes in for him while Casemiro and Asier Illarramendi could yet go out on loan.
Kroos' contract situation and his relative youth (he is only 24) have alerted the Champions League winners to his potential, and it is worth remembering that the player has rejected all offers on the table from Bayern with the club making it clear there will be no more.

Despite everything, Bayern is not keen to let their international star leave and it is still possible that he will continue with the German champions until the end of next season and leave on a free transfer in 2015. At the same time, Real will again have to contend with Barca who are also pulling out all the stops to persuade the player to move to Catalonia.
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http://www.marca.com/2014/06/25/en/football/real_madrid/1403680349.html
 
hobbers said:
He's back but he won't stay back, after the season he's just had there's no way he's going to stay at Chelsea to play in 50% or less of the games. And if he's forced to he'll cause a fair amount of disharmony. Lukaku's future will depend on Diego Costa's fitness, because Mourinho won't rotate them otherwise.

I can't see him letting Kroos play alongside Matic, Ramires will be starting almost every match, unless he's sold.
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Sorry but there's so much wrong in this post that I barely know where to begin..
 
Watching him for Germany right now is making me sad :(

His passing accuracy is amazing.

A midfield three of Kroos-Herrera-Carvalho would be what dreams are made of.
 
Bayern told Kroos, that he has to make the decision, if he wants to extend his contract, after the worldcup/before the season starts. If he doesnt extend his contract, they wont make him another offer.

It doesnt mean, that bayern is willing to sell him, but makes it slightly more likely.
 
It's fair to say at this point we won't be signing him. I reckon he is going to stay at Bayern - Chelsea move doesn't make sense and we have signed Herrera instead, I cannot see any top clubs in desperate need for Kroos now.
 
mufcwarm92 said:
He won't go to Chelsea unless they sell Oscar, which isn't happening. Mourinho simply won't play Kroos, Fabregas and Oscar in the same team.
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Oscar has confirmed PSG interest although he is Mourinho's favourite so I expect him to stay one more season.
 
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