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Because all teams that spent big on several "Star" players at once failed to to so. It is almost impossible to grab the players we need in the same window. Its much safer to get Champions League football every year with the future in mind because it allows to build the squad properly and with less risk. Instead of buying players that might not slot in together(probably wont), why not get 1-2 stars and there rest being De Gea/Januzaj type of players that will carry you in the years to come. With LvG being a manager that build foundations, this is the most realistic scenario.

Get the team organized, build a solid squad of youngish, hungry, motivated players and emerge in 1-2 years time as a all-demolishing family.

If 1) you pick the right players and 2) have the right manager then that shouldnt be a problem. You need to get those two things right whether you buy players in one window or over several. If anything, we should be trying to ride on the back of getting a new manager in and having a buzz about the place.

Shooting for the top 4 as a target, rather than top of the league is admitting defeat before you even start. The club has the money and the ambition to go back to the top and that's what they should be doing. In terms of the long term future, the club needs to be seen to be challenging for trophies in order to maintain the stature it has commercially.

You want to buy more "de Gea and Januzaj" type players - well guess what, so does everyone else. We are not at the stage of being able to buy younger players and hope they turn out alright in two or three years. Bringing young lads in is fine if the club has an established base of quality in order that those young players can settle in and find their feet without having the pressure of trying to carry the club.

It is no coincidence that top sides generally have a number of top players. We lack top players, in key positions. Until that is addressed we'll get nowhere. Van Gaal is not a magician who can come in and turn average players into superstars - despite what some seem to think. He needs to be backed and needs to bring in quality to give the team the best chance of success.

People need to wake up and realise the issues in the squad cannot be resolved with one or two players. Anyone with half a brain can see how much we are lacking. Paul Scholes interview tells you all you need to know - he's been involved in the club intimately at the end of last year and considers us to be miles behind our rivals and in need ot 5 or 6 top players.
 
Yeah quality player alright man - he seems a lifer though & fair-play to him for that.

Yer man Callum Hamilton (who wrote the article) is pretty funny isnt he NC?

"Whether or not we're interested, Hunter has no idea. But I think I can speak for the other two members of TBB as well as myself when I say: WHAT?! SCHWEINSTEIGER? HE'S PERFECT! WHY ARE THEY SELLING HIM? WHY DOES ULI HOENESS STILL HAVE A HAND, SINCE YOU SHOULD HAVE RIPPED IT OFF? GET HIM ON THE NEXT PLANE TO MANCHESTER YOU DUNCES!"

Quality :D

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In relation to Hunter, he is one of the few journalists that I actually like. I've met him a couple of times also in Dublin, sound man.
 
If 1) you pick the right players and 2) have the right manager then that shouldnt be a problem. You need to get those two things right whether you buy players in one window or over several. If anything, we should be trying to ride on the back of getting a new manager in and having a buzz about the place.

Shooting for the top 4 as a target, rather than top of the league is admitting defeat before you even start. The club has the money and the ambition to go back to the top and that's what they should be doing. In terms of the long term future, the club needs to be seen to be challenging for trophies in order to maintain the stature it has commercially.

You want to buy more "de Gea and Januzaj" type players - well guess what, so does everyone else. We are not at the stage of being able to buy younger players and hope they turn out alright in two or three years. Bringing young lads in is fine if the club has an established base of quality in order that those young players can settle in and find their feet without having the pressure of trying to carry the club.

It is no coincidence that top sides generally have a number of top players. We lack top players, in key positions. Until that is addressed we'll get nowhere. Van Gaal is not a magician who can come in and turn average players into superstars - despite what some seem to think. He needs to be backed and needs to bring in quality to give the team the best chance of success.

People need to wake up and realise the issues in the squad cannot be resolved with one or two players. Anyone with half a brain can see how much we are lacking. Paul Scholes interview tells you all you need to know - he's been involved in the club intimately at the end of last year and considers us to be miles behind our rivals and in need ot 5 or 6 top players.


I for one, disagree that there are so many bad players in our squad. Confidence play a very important role + we are mostly missing a MF that dictates the play. As soon as we get one of those, the defense will look better, so will the the whole squad. Our current squad is let down by the gaping whole in the middle in terms of both quality and leadership. With one tempo dictating leader and one ball winner everyone will look away better. The only other area that might need express help is LB.
 
I for one, disagree that there are so many bad players in our squad. Confidence play a very important role + we are mostly missing a MF that dictates the play. As soon as we get one of those, the defense will look better, so will the the whole squad. Our current squad is let down by the gaping whole in the middle in terms of both quality and leadership. With one tempo dictating leader and one ball winner everyone will look away better. The only other area that might need express help is LB.

Agreed, the CM is the only really dire area. It just happens to be the one that has the most impact on other positions if you're under-par there.

Which is not to say we couldn't do with reinforcements elsewhere - LB is the next most important, and there are possible spaces for real quality on the wing or at CB. But CM is the only really desperate position. It is really desperate though.
 
I think also CM is where we have to strengthen the most. Even with shit wingers, if our CM is strong, then it won't look as bad because we can keep the ball moving.
 
Bringing top players had always been a problem to nearly anyone. Even clubs who are traditionally bigger buyers then us have failed in getting players like Rooney (Chelsea) and Vidal (Real)

If you ask me biggest downfall is arrogance. We think that just because we've got the biggest franchise in football everyone will fall at our knees just to sign for us. This mentality is pretty relevant in United's historical decision in not paying for agents (which is common practice in today's football). Mind I dont like it myself however that's how football works this day and no one likes to work for free.

Arrogance has also creeped in out decision making. How many times have we heard on MUTV that unless someone truly special like Fabregas is available we should stick to what we have? That's in my opinion ridiculous. First of all players like Fabregas rarely move clubs. Secondly as said before there's a ridiculously great gap between the likes of Fabregas and Cleverley. There's also a good amount of players who fall in that category.

Other big clubs tend to buy players a year or two before they are noticed by the top guns and then develop them. Take Juventus as an example. Vidal was bought from Leverkusen for 15m. Pirlo was deemed too old for Milan and Juventus stepped in with a 2 year contract, Marchisio is a homegrown talent while Pogba left us because it seem that no one could replace Scholes. That's a quality midfield isn't it? That's how we need to work. Get players before they join top clubs and then develop them

I dig what you're sayin about other clubs having the same hassles signing players, but i couldnt even hazard a guess of how many players we've lost out to Barca & Real over the years & thats not established top-class players either. They've had the potential tag, but we never stood a chance to get ahead of the pack for many of them, because most likely said players agent was on the blower to all the top clubs in Spain etc. It seemed to be an annual thing at one point, then United just decided there's no point competing anymore & just went for the unearthed world-wide potential gem or go for the best domestic player from a non-top 4 club.

We've been doing quite well in gettin young players in from Europe & beyond though - like Adnan for example, so thats a great work in progress & proof that we are gettin ahead of the bunch in quite a few cases. I love watching the youth teams & U-21's. I actually preferred to watch those lads than our 1st team. I've never had a season where i basically face-palmed the shit outta myself in every home game. Away games i looked forward to. OT was always a potential banana skin nightmare waiting to happen & lookin at the feckin "Chosen One" banner made it even worse. Thank feck there wont be one for LvG thats for sure!

There's quite a few United fans who seem to think that United is the biggest draw for a player, but its not if you have a choice of continental teams or a team from London (big thriving capital city etc). Its not only arrogance, its a false sense of security that players are drawn to a club only because of prestige. Lifestyle, family welfare & the weather all come into play for a player & we have to get in there 1st all day everyday to jump ahead of the bunch.

As regards to paying agents, thats not our employee - its the players employee & he should be payin him for his services - not the buying or selling club. I agree with Uniteds stance on that matter, but they do pay a minimal fee to a players agent if its a deal breaker. Our financial transactions were voluntarily published publicly a couple of years ago to show who was paid what - agents included.

It was unprecedented at the time & it still hasnt been replicated by any other club in the Prem either. We didnt pay way over the top to agents, but it was kinda deemed as a "finders fee" payment to agents. That payment is included in the transfer fee paid for the player, so that bumps the transfer up. I can only imagine how much Torres' agent got for his transfer to Chelsea - it must have been around £5-6m i'd say, as Red Rom wanted him that bad - not to mention how much Shevchenko's agent got for his transfer too.

Feckin leeches of the football world & there should be a rule that agents get no payment from clubs for a transfer, although then a player will demand a whacky signing-on fee to cover his costs. Hazard's agent demanded over £5m for Hazard to sign for us & Fergie told them to go feck themselves & he signed for Chelsea instead. There's been so many instances like that & the player went elsewhere, but at the end of the day - if said player really wanted to come to us - he'll tell his agent to feck off or accept a much smaller amount. Good honest players want to play for the best clubs - money for agents should not be a deal-breaker!

That trio you mentioned - Vidal, Pirlo & Pogba, how good is it really though? I dont rate the Italian League - not many do that i know of. Juve certainly didnt set the Europa League alight either from what i seen. Pogba had a great introduction to Serie A because its less demanding than the Prem. I hate watchin Serie A - its boring as hell & i wont even get into all the simulation that goes on in every match either. Good players are made to look better than they are because the league is poor & once they play decent European opposition - they've seriously fluffed their lines or just get shown up as inferior players.

Vidals done it at international level, so i've no doubts about his quality. He must be dyin to really test himself at a proper physical league though & at 27 the time is right for him to come to United & beat up some scousers, some cockney wide-boys or anyone with a funny accent that he'll never understand if he's insulted by them. Vidal would be the Keano replacement we've all been dreaming off & apparantly he shares the same Birthday as Bestie aswell - its in the stars man... its meant to be.. :)
 
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I for one, disagree that there are so many bad players in our squad. Confidence play a very important role + we are mostly missing a MF that dictates the play. As soon as we get one of those, the defense will look better, so will the the whole squad. Our current squad is let down by the gaping whole in the middle in terms of both quality and leadership. With one tempo dictating leader and one ball winner everyone will look away better. The only other area that might need express help is LB.

We have a top goalkeeper. A decent right back who needs to learn some discipline rather than being a walking yellow card. Having lost two world class centrehalfs due we now have Evans, (who is half decent to be fair, but not, for me a player who is likely to be the senior player of the back four) and two centrebacks who have played more games at right back than anywhere else and are coming off the back of average seasons at best. We then have a left back on the slide who is out of contract and Buttner who looks rank average.

We have nobody to control the midfield and are at least two players light in the middle. We have little genuine quality out wide - Nani has done little for 18 months to two years, likewise Valencia and Young. Why people think that's likely to suddenly change I dont know.

We have two top players in Rooney and RVP and Januzaj and Mata are of equal quality - but other than in the final third we are shy of numerous players.

We do have a gaping hole in the middle, and also, now at the back. So Scholes assesment of 5 or 6 new players, isnt, in my opinion far of the mark.
 
We have a top goalkeeper. A decent right back who needs to learn some discipline rather than being a walking yellow card. Having lost two world class centrehalfs due we now have Evans, (who is half decent to be fair, but not, for me a player who is likely to be the senior player of the back four) and two centrebacks who have played more games at right back than anywhere else and are coming off the back of average seasons at best. We then have a left back on the slide who is out of contract and Buttner who looks rank average.

We have nobody to control the midfield and are at least two players light in the middle. We have little genuine quality out wide - Nani has done little for 18 months to two years, likewise Valencia and Young. Why people think that's likely to suddenly change I dont know.

We have two top players in Rooney and RVP and Januzaj and Mata are of equal quality - but other than in the final third we are shy of numerous players.

We do have a gaping hole in the middle, and also, now at the back. So Scholes assesment of 5 or 6 new players, isnt, in my opinion far of the mark.


3 is much further? 2MFs and Left back. Everyone else will get instantly better. Trust me, I am KTI, IKT...just trust me.
 
We have a top goalkeeper. A decent right back who needs to learn some discipline rather than being a walking yellow card. Having lost two world class centrehalfs due we now have Evans, (who is half decent to be fair, but not, for me a player who is likely to be the senior player of the back four) and two centrebacks who have played more games at right back than anywhere else and are coming off the back of average seasons at best. We then have a left back on the slide who is out of contract and Buttner who looks rank average.

We have nobody to control the midfield and are at least two players light in the middle. We have little genuine quality out wide - Nani has done little for 18 months to two years, likewise Valencia and Young. Why people think that's likely to suddenly change I dont know.

We have two top players in Rooney and RVP and Januzaj and Mata are of equal quality - but other than in the final third we are shy of numerous players.

We do have a gaping hole in the middle, and also, now at the back. So Scholes assesment of 5 or 6 new players, isnt, in my opinion far of the mark.

In an ideal world i'd have about 12 replaced or upgraded. With 2 already gone & possibly Evra goin too, so thats 9 left. Young, Nani, Cleverley, Buttner, Anderson need shifting out. Fletch, Carrick, Rafa & Valencia need to take a backseat. Thats 12 players needed to come in, in my opinion. That 12 should be a combo of new players in, loanees comin back & youth team / U-21 promotions..

I cant bare to see Young, Nani, Cleverley, Buttner, Anderson in a United shirt again. Play the young lads & get new top-class players in. Feck the deadwood. Sick of it!
 
The transfer was never on this summer imo. Bayern said some weeks ago, they don't want to sell and would let him rather go for free 2015 than selling him this summer, compared him with Ballack, so all this english media talk about 20 million or any similiar amount of money to agree a deal is just bs imo. His words today should end the story, it's possible that he won't sign a new contract and will leave Bayern. but that's a issue for 2015, he will play for Bayern next season. We should be back 2015 for him, with a improvement under vG, CL football and no transfer fee ;)
 
How will we welcome Toni to the club if the thread is locked?
 
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First of many this summer that bites the dust most likely.

He probably gave us the run around and we're just saving face.

feck knows who we're going to sign. £150m doesn't look like it would even go that far in solving the amount of areas we're lacking in when you look at the prices being banded round. It's probably 3 good players.
 
I was sure about what is happened, we won't sign kroos, vidal etc...

Are all unrealistic
 
Should we be allowing our player to risk injury like that, not even a knee pad on.
He looks so pensive, "I bet Manchester United wouldn't make me ride on a bike so unprotected like this".
 
Be interesting to see who LVG has in mind as an alternative. He and 'all candidates united spoke to' during appointment process were happy with Kroos being a target but something changed this week.
 
Be interesting to see who LVG has in mind as an alternative. He and 'all candidates united spoke to' during appointment process were happy with Kroos being a target but something changed this week.
"WHAT????? I thought you meant that Scientology guy!"
 
Be interesting to see who LVG has in mind as an alternative. He and 'all candidates united spoke to' during appointment process were happy with Kroos being a target but something changed this week.
I fear it's Strootman. I mean buying him for a huge money just season after his transfer to Roma and with this injury just seems very off. But LVG is a huge admirer i hear.
 
I fear it's Strootman. I mean buying him for a huge money just season after his transfer to Roma and with this injury just seems very off. But LVG is a huge admirer i hear.

Well considering Kroos had a similar injury at the same time last year... I wouldn't be too worried! There pretty much similar players. Even though I'd rather Kroos. Stroot reads the game far better though.
 
Well considering Kroos had a similar injury at the same time last year... I wouldn't be too worried! There pretty much similar players. Even though I'd rather Kroos. Stroot reads the game far better though.
I don't think it will have any log term effects, but he is unavailable until October, even November maybe. So there is no point in buying him this summer. He won't be there for a huge part of season, and he will still cost 30-35 mil. Next year he will cost the same money and will be available for pre-season etc.
 
the whole thing has been Thiago all over.

Constant speculation. "open" type comments from the player, his club saying he's definitely not going etc.

All we need now, is in a few weeks Kroos saying how we "never" even approached him, and it was never on.
 
I'm with Shane88 on this one. No chance we pulled the plug on signing a quality midfielder given our desperate state.

My best guess is we knew a deal couldn't be done (no fault of our own if Bayern refuse to sell or Kroos simply doesn't want to come here) and rather than give the perception that either we are unable to sign a player than most people are under the impression wants to leave or even worse, top players don't want to come here, we simply lie and deny all interest.

It's like when people insist they don't find really hot girls attractive because they prefer girls with "some meat on then". 99% of the time they say that because they know they can't pull that fit one and ones with meat on them is all they can realistically get.
 
I'm with Shane88 on this one. No chance we pulled the plug on signing a quality midfielder given our desperate state.

My best guess is we knew a deal couldn't be done (no fault of our own if Bayern refuse to sell or Kroos simply doesn't want to come here) and rather than give the perception that either we are unable to sign a player than most people are under the impression wants to leave or even worse, top players don't want to come here, we simply lie and deny all interest.

It's like when people insist they don't find really hot girls attractive because they prefer girls with "some meat on then". 99% of the time they say that because they know they can't pull that fit one and ones with meat on them is all they can realistically get.

James McCarthy is going to be our chunky girl, isn't he?
 
You might just end up having more fun with that chunky girl and you might just end up in love with her. I hope this can be an allegory for our transfer window
 
I still can't believe we had this saga in the first place. Kroos was already having a good time at Bayern Munich and in a more stable situation with them where he's at a top club always competing for trophies in a team with a settled spine with world class players all around.

Man. Utd., on the other hand, have moved on from Sir Alex's era and have just gone through a horrible season. Plus, we've lost quite a lot of experienced players, and van Gaal's looking to make changes to this team whilst trying to compete against four great, improving teams England rather than just 1-2 in Germany.
 
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