Haven't really been following that closely, but I take it this story is now dead in the water again?
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It was never alive. It was just the press up to their old tricks again. Thiago all over again.
I told you guys not to be muppets.
Thought as much, back to ignoring this thread again
I don't buy that, because if that's the case we would have just told the truth, what's the point in lying about it? No shame in the best team in Europe not wanting to sell one of their players.
Websites generate ad revenue as well! Daily Mail online is run separately to the newspaper, completely different teams, probably complete different bonus schemes. I'm not sure in regards to the Mirrior though, but could see motivation for Mail online to play the stories game. Content is critical to websites to get the hit rate. Newspapers will be influence by 3 key factors though, price (promotion), additional gifts/ supplements, and headline stories. Circulation over longer run is affected by the wider content in the papers.
Does seem so strange how we went from being certain to not happening at all on any level. The club have been good at coming out and denying things this last season yet they still haven't. It took Kroos himself to deny us as ever being an option. Anyway this wasn't that epic a saga was pretty much nipped in the bud before it got started. Onwards and upwards.
Is there a chance that the newspaper made up the story because they don't have any real news?
Please tell me the benefit to Manchester United briefing papers that they're close to signing a player when there's a chance he might not come. What is the benefit for the club?
No it doesn't seem strange as this happens about 10 times a window.
Which is also what the likes off the Twitter ITK's (indykailla, official agents etc (who are all the same person)) are all about, the promotion of website traffic.
Normally the club denies things fairly early ( as in nothing has been agreed etc)and the rumours carry on throughout the summer regardless. This feels more like Lucas Moura where things were happening and it went tits up
I think we was not announced yesterday by the Bayern president was that under no circumstances will Bayern be force to sell Kroos. The announcement yesterday was a PR exercise -- Kroos will not get a bump-up in his current contract -- which seems odd in this YaYa day and age.
Bayern wants to save face and want to look as though they are the ones in control of the situation and announce that they aren't offering him better terms.
At this rate, I expect Kroos will leave on the free next summer.
Not remotely bothered, though thought this would happen for some reason.
We had the deal agreed under Moyes, LVG comes in and doesn't want him so cancels the deal, different managers have different ideas and targets etc. We were an option in the first place to him, he's just covering his ass because LVG wants a bit of Class instead. I'm not trusting LVG this summer because it's clear it's just gonna be as bad as last summer. Ending up with Shaw, Clasie and some unknown Dutch players, great times ahead!
It amazes me how people get wrapped up in what they read on Twitter or in the papers. Fact is, nobody knows anything about whether a) the club even want him b) whether Bayern will sell him or c) whether Van Gaal has put the blockers on it.
Some daft posts on various threads along the lines of "I knew this would happen" or "we'll never sign a decent midfielder". Why not just wait and see what happens?
Some daft posts on various threads along the lines of "I knew this would happen" or "we'll never sign a decent midfielder". Why not just wait and see what happens?
This is where the director of football arguement comes in. I can see United getting one sooner rather than later to avoid such situations. SAF was a once off and we cant give every manager the same amount of power.
We just need to calm down a bit. The only source we are getting these stories from is the media and you should all know by now not to trust what is said in the media, unless it has already been made official by the club themselves.
There is still a long way to go and the transfer window hasn't even opened yet so be patient, enjoy your summer and see how we fare by the end of August.
There is still a long way to go and the transfer window hasn't even opened yet so be patient, enjoy your summer and see how we fare by the end of August.
Looking at the speed of how other clubs have done their business over the years, it's very difficult to stay patient. It's not too much asked from our club to shake off that dithering mentality on the transfer market and act as a ruthless force instead once and for all.
No offence man, but thats stating the obvious. Websites main source, or only source of revenue, is from advertising!
I understand what you're saying about different teams etc. but the same stories (sport for instance) are published both online & paper version with most newspapers - especially the Mail. The online versions of these papers are much better than the paper copy without a shadow of a doubt too. You cant watch a vid of how shit-hot Toni Kroos would be at United in the daily spread thats for sure
Correct. I think its a better discussion to whether the player(s) are good enough as oppose to whether they are gonna come or not.....
Can be extra difficult in world cup years though... Players will want to focus on being ready for that plus clubs may well think that a few good games in the summer could see a players value increase.
when you combine that with having a manager who is focusing on a world cup as well and not having cl football on offer next year it looks increasingly unlikely we will make big signings pre world cup... Even the Shaw deal is not finalised and im not certain if Southampton accepted the bid and agreed to let us talk to him yet?
I must have missed all the big transfers that have gone through in the last 10 days - Its a couple of weeks post season - not to mention players going to the World Cup etc.
The only way deals could be completed this early is if they were already in place and agreed beforehand. Given that we've just appointed a new manager last week, who is also dealing with the World Cup and a national side, its hardly surprising that things take time. We appear to be targetting top players - the type that will have numerous agents, lawyers and complicated image rights issues to resolve before any transfer can be undertaken.
Twitter and instant media has a lot to answer for. People believe anything they read on a daily basis and then moan when two days later nothing has happened. Its madness.
Exactly. I think what is frustrating for most fans is when we see teams like Chelsea, who were dedperate for a striker, wrap up the Costa deal as soon as the season finished and before he even played the CL final.
Meanwhile everybody knows what we desperately need to buy, and still nothing...
Could be that Moyes was happy to throw £40m at Bayern in the hopes of convincing them, whereas Van Gaal fails to see value for money. If Kroos genuinely wants to move it would make sense for us and for him to wait a year. We get him for free and he doesn't miss out on CL football.
Could be that all parties want talk of negotiations to abate because the deal won't go ahead until after the world cup.
Could be that we were never really interested in the first place.
Could be that all parties want talk of negotiations to abate because the deal won't go ahead until after the world cup.
Could be that we were never really interested in the first place.
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Depressing as feck. Still have a feeling we'll sign a world class player this summer though.
When will the penny drop? It's always the brother that was a United fan...Can't make this shit up.
The money is obviously a big thing but also they will understand Louis van Gaal has every chance to challenge for both the FA Cup and Premier league title. And they could be the key player who makes it happen, they will be valued as a superstar as opposed to not.
So although money will be the primary reason, I do think the (very realistic) chance to win the league and being valued as the best midfielder is importantish too. And then there is the possibility in about 5 seasons United could be the best team in the world, although it seems unrealistic at this moment, if Louis were to successfully implement the foundations he did at FC Bayern and FC Barcelona, then it really is a very real possibility.
If I were just another central midfielder at my favourite club, I would still see the appeal of United. Money, trophies, ego worship.
That deal had been done for ages. We sacked a manager before the end of the season and couldnt bring one in until the season ended. How can any deals be done when the new bloke might not want the player?
It's surprising really that people thought this was ever on. It was pure newspaper hype and Moyes saying "I like him". The club said nothing, Munich said nothing and, crucially, Kroos said nothing.
Move along, nothing to see here.
Move along, nothing to see here.
We prob haven't really been an option for him since we missed out on CL. Didn't help that we played disgusting non-league standard football in both legs against Bayern, Kroos is a player that likes to have the ball, we don't have the technical ability to keep it.
It was only the British media who was reporting the Kroos deal. The posters who live in Germany kept mentioning that German media isn't reporting it and the few who are are citing the English media as sorce. The same posters also kept mentioning that Bayern don't need to sell and that they would rather let him run out the contract. But Red Cafe continues to ignore this.
Then Bayern are no poor club, even if we offer immense wages, Bayern's offer is not bad and Kroos has much more security in Bayern, whereas at United who can guarantee how long LvG stays and who succeeds him? And that's even before getting into the discussion that LvG preferred Müller to Kroos and played Kroos out of position.
Believe it or not, but despite huge wages and whatever, German players mostly only leave Germany IF they are not wanted at all by Bayern, which is not the case with Kroos. They still want Kroos, just not at all costs. But that hardly means that we are or were anywhere close to pole position.
The only confusing part is why Woodward briefed the media in regards to Kroos. But then he did the same with even Cavani and others. Only he knows what he is doing.
Then Bayern are no poor club, even if we offer immense wages, Bayern's offer is not bad and Kroos has much more security in Bayern, whereas at United who can guarantee how long LvG stays and who succeeds him? And that's even before getting into the discussion that LvG preferred Müller to Kroos and played Kroos out of position.
Believe it or not, but despite huge wages and whatever, German players mostly only leave Germany IF they are not wanted at all by Bayern, which is not the case with Kroos. They still want Kroos, just not at all costs. But that hardly means that we are or were anywhere close to pole position.
The only confusing part is why Woodward briefed the media in regards to Kroos. But then he did the same with even Cavani and others. Only he knows what he is doing.
at all the posters who were certain he wanted to come to us but Bayern were playing hard to get. If you look at it from a neutral perspective you'd realise how big a bunch of muppets we all were. Why would a young German lad want to leave one of the best clubs in the world, the biggest club in Germany, managed by Guardiola for United atm? Do people even realise how big Bayern are in Germany? United are bloody massive worldwide but Bayern are one big monopoly in Germany hence the term FC HOLLYWOOD.
The only chance we have of buying Kroos is by offering him ridiculous wages ala Rooney. I can't see us doing that to be honest.
German's to United. Just doesn't happen.
Dont worry guys. Good old Everton has once again came to the rescue
http://www1.skysports.com/football/...terested-in-everton-midfielder-james-mccarthy
Seriously Mccarthy is the type of player we should target. He's a good player whose gettable.
http://www1.skysports.com/football/...terested-in-everton-midfielder-james-mccarthy
Seriously Mccarthy is the type of player we should target. He's a good player whose gettable.
It's not 'complete madness'. Jesus christ, I didn't realise muppet suicides by the 23rd of May. Kroos is undoubtedly a very good player, but to act like its like LVG doesn't want to sign Messi is bizarre. Have you ever thought that the reason that the transfer was even doable in the first place is because his club didnt rate him as highly as we did, and did you stop to think why that might be?
A twist on the old Groucho Marx saying: I wouldnt want to be a member of any club that would have me as a member.
I wouldnt want to sign any player whose club would be willing to let him go.
Did he say United weren't a option, though? Sky Sports are quoting him as saying that we weren't an issue. Completely different.
*still clutching at straws*
*still clutching at straws*
If Bayern are that stupid to let another Ballack-like case fall on their hands (leaving for free), then they would be stupid as feck. That thing about Germans not leaving their country is bollocks: more Germans are enjoying it abroad these days and even a guy like Ballack was happy to tell Bayern to kiss his ass. Meanwhile, we cannot afford to wait one more year; we have to go to war against the rest of the Prem from the get-go in order to move back up where we belong.
Very good point. The man (Costa) is set to play the most important game of his career so far, and yet it's already announced he will abandon Atletico at the very end of the campaign. It sucks to see United still so slow while deals have been wrapped up and gone public in favor of our rivals before the target's season is even finished.
What's the point of being called a very popular club if we can't even lure most players we want?
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Now he I would take in a second.
http://www1.skysports.com/football/...-expects-to-stay-at-bayern-munich-next-season
His comments are not nearly as bad as we all think. He's still not joining us, though!
If Bayern are that stupid to let another Ballack-like case fall on their hands (leaving for free), then they would be stupid as feck. That thing about Germans not leaving their country is bollocks: more Germans are enjoying it abroad these days and even a guy like Ballack was happy to tell Bayern to kiss his ass. Meanwhile, we cannot afford to wait one more year; we have to go to war against the rest of the Prem from the get-go in order to move back up where we belong.
Very good point. The man (Costa) is set to play the most important game of his career so far, and yet it's already announce he will abandon Atletico at the very end of the campaign. It sucks to see United still so slow while deals have been wrapped up and gone public in favor of our rivals before the target's season is even finished.
What's the point of being called a popular club if we can't even lure most players we want?
Hardly, its no more 'announced' than our Shaw deal and people are topping themselves that that might not happen.
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