What's wrong with what he's said here?
Tom Cleverley | 2014/15 Performances (on loan at Aston Villa)
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What's wrong with what he's said here?
I'm really glad he's gone.
Listen Tommy lad, you may have a league title but we won it despite of you not because of you!
There's a lot of unjustified big-headedness around the England scene, isn't there?
I still to this day cannot understand why our fans despise our own players. The club has indeed lost its identity!
Twat the scousers tommy laaad.
Look I'm not saying it's right but when you wait every week (some even pay money for it) to watch your team play and week in and week out the same player gives gutless performances you're bound to despise them. It's not about losing or not doing well; some of us feel they aren't worthy of being a Man United player. Hope you get what I'm saying...
It just makes it worse when Tom thinks of himself so highly. This guy is the one player who I was totally wrong about. In his youth days I thought he'd be a proper midfielder for us for years to come.
People don't like cowards, Cleverley is the personification of what people despise, just look at Anderson, everyone knows that he won't make it, but we love him, and it's probably the same with Rafael.
Cleverley isn't a likeable player, he is always whining about his condition and never gives everything on the pitch.
Some of our fans behaviour towards Cleverley has been disgusting. He might not be world class but he was also nowhere near as awful as he was made out to be. I cannot see what is to be achieved from abusing one of your own players, its completely pathetic, and not just one of our own, one who was raised here from 11 years old, who loved the club and whether it was good enough or not is a different debate but he always tried his best. He wasn't one of our worst players. If we could have I would have preferred Fellaini, Anderson and Fletcher (unfortunately) to leave before Tom who is a decent squad player but was simply a scapegoat for our fans who seemed to blame him almost entirely for our poor play and poor results.
I really hope he does well at Aston Villa once he gets his confidence back.
I really hope he does well at Aston Villa once he gets his confidence back.
Gibson did not get 5% of the opportunities Cleverly did and never played half as bad when he did get a chance, yet he received even worse abuse from the fans. Its a cruel profession when things go against you. However to the credit of the match going public they never booed a player on the pitch, internet fans are an entirely different animal.
Was the abuse really that bad? A few boos, and jeers and some twitter abuse, I'm not saying for one second it's right but was it really that bad?
Fellaini got similar treatment when he came on against Valencia, and has been the subject to many 'hurtful' comments from alot of fans, but to his credit he just wants to stay & prove himself, Ashley Young is another one, he gets some nasty treatment from fans on twitter but doesn't mention it, Eboue at Arsenal got some shocking treatment one game if I remember correctly but I don't recall him moaning to much about it when he left Arsenal, sure there are many others who have suffered a similar fate.
Tom just needs to move on, drawing attention to it achieves nothing, other than maybe admitting he is of weak character, like you say he isn't a bad player and should do well at Villa.
Every job who involves outrageous amount of salary is cruel. We're talking here about people earning 40-80k a week. That's big money.
As said I think a number of people at OT had it too easy, too soon and for a long long time. As Scholes said, something must be wrong when a 36 year old is the best midfielder you have.
Pat Murphy interviewed Cleverley yesterday and didn't give him any softball questions.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p026hbdg
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p026hbdg
I'm amazed how out of touch the guy is with his contract on-goings. Surely as your agent works for you, he would give you regular updates on how it's going. Timeless etc.
He is just shy in this interview and don't want to say yes a wanted more then i earned at Manchester. And he should want more. As much as i know he was not on big contract and if we decided to keep him he would got a new contract which would be probably a double what he is earning now. Since he signed the last contract with us he became England international footballer and intergal part in title winning side just one year ago. Yes we all think he is shit and all that but he will probably be one of the better players at Villa and he should be payed for that.
It is clear to me that if Villa do not wanted to pay more to him than Everton would he will rather be at Everton and i think his agent just said ok i will try to force a move to Everton. It didn't happened because we didn't want to loan him to Everton and he is at Villa now.
It is clear to me that if Villa do not wanted to pay more to him than Everton would he will rather be at Everton and i think his agent just said ok i will try to force a move to Everton. It didn't happened because we didn't want to loan him to Everton and he is at Villa now.
If he wants more money, then he should cop to it, no need to tiptoe around that crap. We all want more money, sure some deluded people will call him mercenary etc like they donate their time but it will happen regardless.
He was really stammering through the interview and was quite intimidated by the interviewer. If an interviewer can easily intimidate him through a interview on radio, imagine playing against the likes of Toure, Gerrard, etc.
What a stupid post. That's like saying "woah did you see how uncomfortable Tim Henman was on mastermind? No wonder his backhand volley wasn't very good."
The treatment he is still getting from United fans is very poor. There was a day when United fans would give their full support to those struggling, not anymore I see.
Did you ever see James Rodriquez do an interview?
Now that social media websites such as Twitter exist, it's easy for people to directly tell people like Cleverley what they think. I think if you're a player for a big club like United, you either stay away from it or you have to learn to ignore the idiots. Valencia closed down his Twitter this week due to abuse, he isn't the first and won't be the last.
Damn, that was a tough interview. Thought he handled it okay to be fair, it was a difficult line of questioning.
This kid just needs some good PR advice.
1. Turn that frown upside down.
2. Repeat after me "I'm happy to be at Aston Villa and excited to be working with my new teammates."
3. You're 25 now, get a grown man's haircut.
4. "I can't talk about other clubs, I am only focused on the present and want to help Aston Villa in every way that I can."
5. Delete Twitter account
6. Don't mention Manchester United
7. Stop giving interviews
8. Fire agent
9. Practice and try to improve, it's a contract year
1. Turn that frown upside down.
2. Repeat after me "I'm happy to be at Aston Villa and excited to be working with my new teammates."
3. You're 25 now, get a grown man's haircut.
4. "I can't talk about other clubs, I am only focused on the present and want to help Aston Villa in every way that I can."
5. Delete Twitter account
6. Don't mention Manchester United
7. Stop giving interviews
8. Fire agent
9. Practice and try to improve, it's a contract year
No doubt, stay away from it or ignore it, I agree fully but regardless of that, it shouldn't prompt United fans to hurl abuse at him.
He makes no sense. The buzzword in this thread and for most of his time at United is confidence. But if you listen to his interviews he comes off very confident and clearly thinks he's doing wonderful things on the pitch (the La Liga comment for example). You've heard from players who've had a rough go of it like Kagawa and Fellaini, who've come out and said they need to do better. But with Tom he genuinely seems dumbfounded as to why people don't rate him.
People act differently when there's anonymity through the internet unfortunately, at Old Trafford (despite what happened to Fellaini in that friendly) it's normally a different story. I was in the Stretford End with one of my brothers when we lost to Sunderland on penalties earlier this year, someone started chanting some negative stuff about Moyes and was quickly told to shut his mouth by everyone around him.
Agree that most, if not close to all inside Old Trafford have been great. But like you said, through social media, fans have direct access to the players and can affect them through social media. Again, the easy option for Cleverley is to stay away from it but in my opinion, that's not the issue, he should be allowed to go on an interact with his fans not expect them to turn on him.
I think this is a good advice to both Clev and Welbz, shut the feck up and stop make a fool of yourself. To be honest I'm amazed how careless they are, both aren't older then 25 and they both are burning bridges. Why pay their lazy agents if they don't get some decent advice about how to handle these situations.
First I doubt all the critics are from legitimate United fans. Secondly he has to accept that supporters have had to put up with a lot - heck even Sir Alex hasn't been immune. Thirdly if you're getting stick it's wise to get off the social media. We're in a society where the gulf is getting wider and the average Joe doesn't give a shit what Cleverly says because there is a lack of respect. Tom has not progressed and if he thinks he has, that's part of the problem. Forth lots of people are influenced by stats. Toms stats will be pretty but this is why I think some footballers are thick and if Cleverly reads this I'm sorry if it reads harsh.
You sit by LVGS side and he backs you. He told you, what he wanted and you say you could be his type of player. People walking around bemused why we're not creating when we've a group of players who time after time play the easy ball. Going sideways and backwards just to bump up their stats at the expense of the team. The reason Cleverly is out the door is because he got found out and it's a shame. Maybe the hype went to his head or he has too much money but there are very few English players who deserve any respect because very few of them actually improve year after year. They talk a good game but don't play it.
There are one or two others who are lucky to still be in the squad. I wish Cleverly well but you have to have alittle courage on the pitch and get off the social media because you will get abuse. It's obviously not just United fans as he's got stick from England fans too
You sit by LVGS side and he backs you. He told you, what he wanted and you say you could be his type of player. People walking around bemused why we're not creating when we've a group of players who time after time play the easy ball. Going sideways and backwards just to bump up their stats at the expense of the team. The reason Cleverly is out the door is because he got found out and it's a shame. Maybe the hype went to his head or he has too much money but there are very few English players who deserve any respect because very few of them actually improve year after year. They talk a good game but don't play it.
There are one or two others who are lucky to still be in the squad. I wish Cleverly well but you have to have alittle courage on the pitch and get off the social media because you will get abuse. It's obviously not just United fans as he's got stick from England fans too
I bet Rooney bricks it every time he plays a game, if that's the case.
Well, yeah. United fans have their limit. Naming his child Nevaeh pushed everyone over it.
I love how high that is on the list. Anyway, will he play against Liverpool? Might have a watch just to see how he goes.Except for that time when Clevs said that he hasn't been good enough and needs to step it up.
Shhh! Doesn't suit the argument.
Jesus, it sounds from it as if the agent told him where to move and when to move.
'Tom, I've got you a loan to AV'
'pls m8 can i go to everton to tata martinez? he barcelona'
'No, shut up Xavi, you're not going to Everton.'
'ok'i tried my best
Plus all this stick, negativity, no winning talk. Surely, nobody supports bunch of fecking morons who went apeshit on him on the twitter but it's nowhere near being boo'ed by your own fans like Nani or Fellaini were. He's such a pussy. If he was getting e-bullied then he should've taken Tyler the Creator's advice.
That interview was awkward. He was clearly intimidated and didn't really know what to say. Was some difficult questions. Needed to just 'block' the questions with some dull and cliche answers (which he did try to do a few times, needed to just repeat them though).
That interview, wow.
I'm glad he's gone but I wish him luck at Villa, he will be a decent player for a mid table club. Just Anderson (going next summer at the latest) and Young now and I'll be happy.
Good on him for not backing his agent.
Blocking or dodging the questions, he would have been said to not being honest enough but it was refreshing to hear that he thought his agent didn't do a good job.
I have to say, I much prefer that type of interview over your typical scripted bullshit we normally get.
Blocking or dodging the questions, he would have been said to not being honest enough but it was refreshing to hear that he thought his agent didn't do a good job.
I have to say, I much prefer that type of interview over your typical scripted bullshit we normally get.
I never thought that United were a sort of half way house. I always believed that it was a top club with ambitions of being the best in the world. With such attitude no wonder why we ended 7th
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