Good debut from Tc23. Pleased for him.
Tom Cleverley | 2014/15 Performances (on loan at Aston Villa)
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Tidy but little else. Usual stuff then, just doesn't look quite so blah in a weak team.
I think he has found his level, he played well in a system that seems to suit him. When he gets confident I anticipate him getting forward a bit more and getting a decent number of goals + assists.
Exactly this.
I dont think he'll get goals and assists, but he'll keep the ball better than most of Villa's players and that can be useful in front of Delph and Westwood. Westwood will be the one to get a few assists
Good shift from Cleverley... He seems to do well in a 3 man midfield..The temperament part of his play is what holds him back imo, more than technical. He is not a midfielder who can give lots of goals/assists but he can keep things ticking over. I always thought that his problem for us was that he tried to do too much all the time and never mentally looked settled during a game. Always rushing into everything. The chaos was even obvious from his facial expressions when he used to play for us. That is no excuse though and for his personal career it will be better if he plays for team like Villa and do well.
I think confidence will make a massive difference to his game once he re-finds it. Really felt sorry for him with how some fans spoke about him. Especially England fans such as the knobheads who started that petition. You could visibly see the lack of confidence in his game towards the end of his time at United.
Can't see him ever returning here but I wish him all the best for the rest of his career. His work rate and professional commitment has never been in doubt, so he deserves a PL career for that alone as far as I'm concerned.
Listening to that interview, Tom doesn't sound convincing at all that Villa is where he wants to be.
Btw, anyone catch Keano on the AV bench? Might have more grey in the amazingly awesome beard he's growing, but still looks like he could feck some shit up.
Pretty much this.
Btw, anyone catch Keano on the AV bench? Might have more grey in the amazingly awesome beard he's growing, but still looks like he could feck some shit up.
He really didn't seem happy when he got subbed. Didn't even smile or seem to care when he got hugged and praised by the manager as he came off. He will definitely be using this season to put himself in the window so he can get a move to another team.
If I were his trainer I would make him change two things immediately,
1. i would stop him from kicking the ball with a follow through like beckham. he needs to learn how to use his feet (both of them) to pass the ball in different ways..not just in one god awful style.
2. i would make him stop pointing to his feet and asking for the ball. he should expect it to come to him. instead he should use that energy to sneak a look around to see whos coming to tackle and who he can pass to when/if he receives it.
1. i would stop him from kicking the ball with a follow through like beckham. he needs to learn how to use his feet (both of them) to pass the ball in different ways..not just in one god awful style.
2. i would make him stop pointing to his feet and asking for the ball. he should expect it to come to him. instead he should use that energy to sneak a look around to see whos coming to tackle and who he can pass to when/if he receives it.
Many people don't realise how good Cleverley could still be. I tend to think he himself is one of them. He has gone off track and lost confidence but technically he is very good.
That's what i think too, he has everything except the mental, if he can find a coach who believes in him and is capable of changing his mindset he could be very good.
I really hope that Martinez will come for him, next year.
Yeah, it's a bit silly. Sure, it's stylistic, but it really hinders his game. He doesn't pass quick enough, and he's far more dependent on his right foot to pass as it's the foot he uses to follow through to do so. It's fine from a dead ball, but in attacks and recycling possession he really needs to stop it.
Can't believe he (reportedly) turned down Valencia. Think he would have really flourished there. Beautiful city as well.
It doesn't sound like there was any truth in that rumour.
Otherwise, I agree; it would have been perfect for him.
Probably didn't fancy being on the bench every game as he's nowhere near as good as their CMs
He is better off at villa because he will actually play, he wouldn't get in everton's team and if he is going to improve he needs to play. I really don't get the idea that he is technically a very good player, he is average and I don't think he will ever develop into anything other than a solid player for a team like villa. The role today suited him, keep it simple, stay in position, work hard etc, he can build on that and improve but there just isn't loads ability or potential for any manager to unlock.
I'm sorry but this is completely fecking stupid. So players shouldn't talk and ask for the ball? They should be silent and expect everything to happen telepathically because talking uses up so much energy? feck me, he should stop asking for the ball to feet. Mind blowing training right there.
So many hypocrites wishing him well now. I didn't see the match but nice to see him play and do a good job, especially against Liverpool.
He's still not United quality. Never was and never will be. I still wish him well though and hope his career is fruitful, I just hope it's at another club.
I don't think that those who were critics of him at United that are now wishing him well at AV are hypocrites by default. I didn't see him as a United first teamer, but am sure he did his best for us, it just wasn't to be. If he can go on and have a good career elsewhere then great- much as most of us are happy that Howard is doing well at Everton and Ruud won La Liga with Real, for example.
Not his critics, I think everyone was critical of him but I mean the people saying they wish he would just feck off and never want to see play again, coward this, coward that etc.
Ah OK, fair point, but last season did bring out the worst in a lot of fans. Hopefully in the cold light of day they are realising that he is not a bad guy and are genuinely wishing him well. Hopefully.
Agreed.
That being said, it does seem to some weird kind of nervous tick with Cleverley. Of course, if he were any good, it wouldn't be annoying...
He seemed so good mentally when he first broke through. Always seemed like he knew what he wanted to do with a ball before he received it.
Potential was definitely there for young Tom 3-4 seasons ago but there's not much potential left in him any longer. He was meh at best today and he clearly looks like a footballer who believes he's too good for Aston Villa. Unless he gets his head out his arse, he's going up slide down to the likes of Palace.
I still blame his reality-TV wife for all this.. I've always stood behind him(kinda) and wish him well at Villa. The start was magnificent and hopefully he can stay healthy and prove his worth.
Cannot believe I'm saying this but...He had a better debut then Welbeck....Despite being invisible in the last 40 mins of the match!
More importantly, Keano's beard
More importantly, Keano's beard
agent tom.
What is it and us when a player is sold??!?Oh man, that is already an old news. Keane is Keane. Keane is probably feck all AV players and now they are turning into way better team than previous seasons even without Benteke.
Cannot believe I'm saying this but...He had a better debut then Welbeck....Despite being invisible in the last 40 mins of the match!
More importantly, Keano's beard
I didn't watch Aston Villa yesterday. But I thought Welbeck did well. He put a pressure on Kompany and tried to win it which lead Arsenal first goal. His chance hit the post was unlucky since it was inside the post. Some decent movement from him as well.
Him bouncing off Kompany, while Kompany sneered.....Them times?
His chip, instead of smashing it home?
His movement was static up front...He' not a stirker unless Wenger changes him.
Wrong thread though
I thought that was good for him to do it on Kompany since no Arsenal players were trying to give a pressure on him.
Yeah he should smash it. But Danny is Danny. He loves chip the keeper. Wenger might need to do something about this.
His movement wasn't that bad. But wasn't great as usual. Decent I would say.
Yeah wrong thread. lol
How did Cleverley do then?
Talk about Welbeck another time....
Cleverley literally was his usual self.....So ordinary and average....He played a forward pass in the first half and I lost my shit over it...Says it all
If that's what you saw from Cleverley. And judging for the one I saw on Welbeck. I don't think Cleverley had a better game than Welbeck yesterday. How about the other AV midfielders? Did they play any better than Cleverley?
Do we really need to rank players or rate certain performances above others. Cleverley now has what he needs (distance away from the scrutiny of playing for United), from all reports put in a decent display but we are all trying to find a way to discredit it. Good on him I reckon.
I'm glad he did well. He looked comfortable in the Villa team - put in a good defensive shift too.
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