Tom Cleverley | 2014/15 Performances (on loan at Aston Villa)

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Not sure where these comments about Villa offering him a pay cut wage are coming from.

All accounts I read suggest United are paying him around £30,000 and he was asking for at least £60,000 from Villa which they quite rightly refused to pay.

I don't think they would have been offering him something like £25,000 because that wouldn't be a discussion, such a difference in valuation would make the whole thing pointless. Besides, I've not seen anyone report that was the case.
 
Feel for the guy (to the extent that you can feel for someone earning £30k a week for playing football).

His mate Welbz, who he's been with since they were 13, is off to the bright lights of London. He's been told that he's surplus to requirements at United himself.

It's like the childhood dream is over for them, and now they have to emerge, blinking, into the cold light of reality.
 
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Theon said:
Not sure where these comments about Villa offering him a pay cut wage are coming from.

All accounts I read suggest United are paying him around £30,000 and he was asking for at least £60,000 from Villa which they quite rightly refused to pay.

I don't think they would have been offering him something like £25,000 because that wouldn't be a discussion, such a difference in valuation would make the whole thing pointless. Besides, I've not seen anyone report that was the case.
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I always wonder where people get these figures from. I've never found a plausible source for any players salaries. You do read speculation about the really big money signings, never seen anything about what we pay homegrown squad players though.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I always wonder where people get these figures from. I've never found a plausible source for any players salaries. You do read speculation about the really big money signings, never seen anything about what we pay homegrown squad players though.
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It's just what all the papers were reporting the salary as, which could be wrong but it's a better estimation than any other considering there are some sources behind it. Seems the right amount as well.
 
Hope league approves this deal. Will be good for him. We will be missing out on 8-9m in transfer fee though.
 
I know we might miss out on a fee due to loaning him but for his sake i hope the league accepts the loan. He needs to establish himself in the Villa team and who knows,maybe he can get a place in the England squad.
 
No point sending him out on loan. Why should we help him? We've lost 8m on him after we've given chance after chance while the CM rotted away.
 
Hed Zitin said:
No point sending him out on loan. Why should we help him? We've lost 8m on him after we've given chance after chance while the CM rotted away.
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Thankfully United are business and not a teenage girl so they're not going to throw away money just to spite him.
 
Hed Zitin said:
No point sending him out on loan. Why should we help him? We've lost 8m on him after we've given chance after chance while the CM rotted away.
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Oh, I don't know, because he's been at the club since he was a kid? Or how about the fact that Villa will subsidise his wages? Or because the main reason he didn't leave originally was because he dared to choose Everton over Villa? Grow up.
 
Gopher Brown said:
I thought he was asking for £80k per week and Everton refused.
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I heard £60k but you could be right. If he was asking for £80k. Was he on £30k? If true how does he value himself as going up by £50k by effectively moving down to - and although they aren't a small club - a smaller club like Everton.

montpelier said:
You're right, obv. But pro footy is all about the bravado/macho cobblers - 'look at my ££££ wedge' etc. I'd settle for 10k a week meself.
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You're probably right, shame really. & I'd probably settle for £10k myself. :lol: More money is always nice but if I'm earning enough to have a nice lifestyle then I wouldn't be too bothered.
 
finneh said:
He will be a 60 grand a week player though. Which in today's world translates to a mid table first team player. Why would anyone accept 30 grand a week when 12 months later they will earn double.
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Because he might think to himself

''hang on, im 25 now and everyone apart from me thinks im sh1t. I can sign for Villa and be a first team regular and show everyone that im a good player and rebuild this reputation i currently have. Hell i might even get back into the England team seeing as both Lampard and Gerrard have called it a day, i mean, if Delph and Coldback are getting call ups then why can't i?
If i stay at United then im probably not going to play more than 5 more games for the club. LVG obviously doesnt like me so i might end up being the forgotton man of football and when my contract is up ill be lucky to get anywhere near 60k at another club.
The best thing for me to do will be to sign for Villa, take the 30k, try to prove my worth and if i am good enough, i will be on a new contract in no time anyway.''

He basically wants money for doing F-all.
Complete and utter tit
 
SiRed said:
Because he might think to himself

''hang on, im 25 now and everyone apart from me thinks im sh1t. I can sign for Villa and be a first team regular and show everyone that im a good player and rebuild this reputation i currently have. Hell i might even get back into the England team seeing as both Lampard and Gerrard have called it a day, i mean, if Delph and Coldback are getting call ups then why can't i?
If i stay at United then im probably not going to play more than 5 more games for the club. LVG obviously doesnt like me so i might end up being the forgotton man of football and when my contract is up ill be lucky to get anywhere near 60k at another club.
The best thing for me to do will be to sign for Villa, take the 30k, try to prove my worth and if i am good enough, i will be on a new contract in no time anyway.''

He basically wants money for doing F-all.
Complete and utter tit
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Let me edit that for you "''hang on, I'm 25 now and everyone apart from me thinks im sh1t (but then a lot of people are idiots) I can sign for Villa and be a first team regular and show everyone that im a good player and rebuild this reputation i currently have... or you know what, I can wait 12 months and I can sign for Everton, a team with bigger ambitions, with better players, and a manager who I have worked with before and who has genuine faith in my ability. Not only that, but I can make a lot more money for myself doing it this way... and in the meantime, I can see out my time whilst training with world class players at Manchester United. Hell, considering how many actual midfielders they have on their books, a few injuries might mean I'm right back in with a chance.

The best thing for me to do is wait for 12 months and go to a club that I want to play for and that who want me to play for them"
 


I feel bad when I look at this. It's always a shame when it doesnt work out with a promising academy player, but he simply isn't good enough.
 
SiRed said:
Because he might think to himself

''hang on, im 25 now and everyone apart from me thinks im sh1t. I can sign for Villa and be a first team regular and show everyone that im a good player and rebuild this reputation i currently have. Hell i might even get back into the England team seeing as both Lampard and Gerrard have called it a day, i mean, if Delph and Coldback are getting call ups then why can't i?
If i stay at United then im probably not going to play more than 5 more games for the club. LVG obviously doesnt like me so i might end up being the forgotton man of football and when my contract is up ill be lucky to get anywhere near 60k at another club.
The best thing for me to do will be to sign for Villa, take the 30k, try to prove my worth and if i am good enough, i will be on a new contract in no time anyway.''

He basically wants money for doing F-all.
Complete and utter tit
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Or the far more likely option of waiting 4 months and signing a pre-contract agreement with Everton whereby he gets the transfer fee they would have paid us (say £4m) as a signing on bonus and still earns a higher salary than what was on offer at Villa, at a better team with a manager that seems to rate him highly.

Hes making the decision any person with an iota of common sense would make.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
Let me edit that for you "''hang on, I'm 25 now and everyone apart from me thinks im sh1t (but then a lot of people are idiots) I can sign for Villa and be a first team regular and show everyone that im a good player and rebuild this reputation i currently have... or you know what, I can wait 12 months and I can sign for Everton, a team with bigger ambitions, with better players, and a manager who I have worked with before and who has genuine faith in my ability. Not only that, but I can make a lot more money for myself doing it this way... and in the meantime, I can see out my time whilst training with world class players at Manchester United. Hell, considering how many actual midfielders they have on their books, a few injuries might mean I'm right back in with a chance.

The best thing for me to do is wait for 12 months and go to a club that I want to play for and that who want me to play for them"
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So people are idiots for having a negative opinion of a player??? Wow
 
finneh said:
Or the far more likely option of waiting 4 months and signing a pre-contract agreement with Everton whereby he gets the transfer fee they would have paid us (say £4m) as a signing on bonus and still earns a higher salary than what was on offer at Villa, at a better team with a manager that seems to rate him highly.

Hes making the decision any person with an iota of common sense would make.
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Or lack of desire to play.

Football is a short career. Even shorter when your out of your depth.

1 year in the wilderness is a hell of a long time and wont do his international ambitions (if he has any) any favours
 
SiRed said:
So people are idiots for having a negative opinion of a player??? Wow
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Yeah because that was the main point of my post.

What I was actually refering to was people who start online petitions to get him out of an England squad. They're idiots. Also, from Tom Cleverley's standpoint, I imagine he doesn't really pay attention to the opinion of millions of people who call him shit (and I've been one of them), because he probably has complete faith in himself.
 
SiRed said:
Or lack of desire to play.

Football is a short career. Even shorter when your out of your depth.

1 year in the wilderness is a hell of a long time and wont do his international ambitions (if he has any) any favours
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Exactly, so best make a shed load of cash out of it whilst you can.

Also, 1 year is nothing. Do you really think Jack Rodwell has no chance of ever getting called up for England again?
 
Annihilate Now! said:
Exactly, so best make a shed load of cash out of it whilst you can.

Also, 1 year is nothing. Do you really think Jack Rodwell has no chance of ever getting called up for England again?
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Good example, Though Rodwell probably took a paycut to gain first team football. Something i dont think Cleverley will do and thats the difference.
 
Kaos said:
The cheek of Everton, to ask for a loan for a player on the last year of his contract :wenger:

Hope we add them to that list alongside Spurs of clubs we should no longer do business with, stingy cnuts.
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Can't blame them for not wanting to outlay 8m on Cleverley. He's worth about 3.
 
I dont blame Cleverley at all. Im sure nearly everybody on here would do the same in his position.
 
Why any feels sorry for anyone in this instance is beyond me. Cleverley is a homegrown United player, who has come up through the ranks. At the end of the day it hasn't worked out for whatever reason, but he's still played for the first team countless times, won premier leagues with his boyhood club (same as Welbeck). 99% don't make it, so he's done alright!

United finished fecking 7th last year and we have lost our opening game of the season and subsequently drawn two more. Inbetween these results, United have also managed to get knocked of the league cup in spectacular style to a team that has only existed this century. Cleverley played his worst game for us against Sunderland - sorry pal, shame it didn't work out and all that but time to pack your bags and get the feck out!

They are professional footballers, who have had a chance to play for their boyhood club. I love it when it works out and I used to feel immense pride knowing that our team was made up of complete locals but we are in a different situation. Cleverley has to go and I'm sure he knows it, he's had his chance. Welbeck didn't ever set the world alight either and while there's talk of doing a "Sturridge" look how well Chelsea have done in the mean time (albeit they had a season with shit strikers - we don't have that problem).

Not ideal, but good business all round - for them and us.
 
What's all the moralising about, he isn't good enough, and got enough chances to show us otherwise.
 
Spark said:
Why any feels sorry for anyone in this instance is beyond me. Cleverley is a homegrown United player, who has come up through the ranks. At the end of the day it hasn't worked out for whatever reason, but he's still played for the first team countless times, won premier leagues with his boyhood club (same as Welbeck). 99% don't make it, so he's done alright!

United finished fecking 7th last year and we have lost our opening game of the season and subsequently drawn two more. Inbetween these results, United have also managed to get knocked of the league cup in spectacular style to a team that has only existed this century. Cleverley played his worst game for us against Sunderland - sorry pal, shame it didn't work out and all that but time to pack your bags and get the feck out!

They are professional footballers, who have had a chance to play for their boyhood club. I love it when it works out and I used to feel immense pride knowing that our team was made up of complete locals but we are in a different situation. Cleverley has to go and I'm sure he knows it, he's had his chance. Welbeck didn't ever set the world alight either and while there's talk of doing a "Sturridge" look how well Chelsea have done in the mean time (albeit they had a season with shit strikers - we don't have that problem).

Not ideal, but good business all round - for them and us.
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Nobody is feeling sorry for him. I guess it's a little bid sad when any young footballer realises they're not gonna cut it at the club they grew up playing for but he's still getting offers from other PL clubs. Not as though his career is over and he can't say he didn't get a fair crack of the whip at United.

There's been some really spiteful stuff posted about him as a person, though. Which is what some people are taking exception to.
 
Villa is the right move for him because he would a better chance of playing regularly there than at any of his other options. England are so short of midfielders if he could hold down a place at villa he might actually get back into the squad, the alternatives are either sitting in the stands at utd or struggling to get into everton's starting line up. He needs to play to improve his game and confidence, he would only be a squad player at Everton and he could end up spending a lot of time on the bench there especially given his current form and confidence.

It's a shame it hasn't worked out for him but he is nowhere near good enough and was given more opportunities than he deserved, i have more sympathy for lawrence who has been sold after just a couple of games I am sure he would have loved even just a third of the number of games Cleverley got.
 
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I feel bad when I look at this. It's always a shame when it doesnt work out with a promising academy player, but he simply isn't good enough.
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It's already kind of worked out for him.

He's been a starter for United for 2 years atleast and in a championship winning run. Most academy players don't even get close to that.
 
If Cleverley is was half as good as he thinks he is, then he would still be twice as good than he actually is
 
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