Tom Cleverley | 2014/15 Performances (on loan at Aston Villa)

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I can't imagine the fall out at the club last night after he fecked around and wasted everyone's time.

Looks like we just pressed the button on him and got rid no matter what.
 
Ducklegs said:
I can't imagine the fall out at the club last night after he fecked around and wasted everyone's time.

Looks like we just pressed the button on him and got rid no matter what.
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Don't know how you've come to that conclusion. A loan deal couldn't happen without his cooperation.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Nobody is feeling sorry for him. I guess it's a little bid sad when any young footballer realises they're not gonna cut it at the club they grew up playing for but he's still getting offers from other PL clubs. Not as though his career is over and he can't say he didn't get a fair crack of the whip at United.

There's been some really spiteful stuff posted about him as a person, though. Which is what some people are taking exception to.
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Fair enough, there has been some disgraceful behaviour towards him - that England petition and our own fans being knobs. My post was mainly in response to that picture of him as a United youngster. It's always a shame that they fall, but he's had a greater chance than the most and failed. 99% don't step foot on the Old Trafford pitch for the 1st team.
 
He lived his dream playing for his club and fair dues to him, but he is an average midfielder who contributes little to the side. Villa for a year will be good for him.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Nobody is feeling sorry for him. I guess it's a little bid sad when any young footballer realises they're not gonna cut it at the club they grew up playing for but he's still getting offers from other PL clubs. Not as though his career is over and he can't say he didn't get a fair crack of the whip at United.

There's been some really spiteful stuff posted about him as a person, though. Which is what some people are taking exception to.
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Anyone having a go at him as person is not worth acknowledging.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Yeah, we should have loved him more before selling him.
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TBH I think this place when it comes to Cleverley is an utter embarrassment.

He takes all manner of shit on here after every single game, as if he somehow chooses to not be good enough at football to play for United. This despite there being any number of more talented players at the club who over the past 12 months have performed little or no better than him.

I mean if a player who should be good enough underperforms then by all means have a go at them. When a player just genuinely isn't good enough, the fault is with whoever keeps putting them in the team.

Not only that but now he gets loads of shit because theclub tried to flog him, and he had enough about himself to make the decision his own. If he considered himself above Villa, he wouldn't be trying to go there on loan. He's done nothing wrong at all.
 
He was never the same after his injury that stopped his good run, but I also think he was never as good as often claimed during that run either.

But he isnt 'shit' , hes a good footballer, will do really well at Villa, will do well at Everton, he isnt good enough for a team expected to challenge for the title and the CL though, he just doesnt have that extra bit of belief to do the risky things when the pressure is on, Scholes always look for the simple passes too, but he knew when to try something else as well. Tom only does the simple stuff, he will keep a team ticking over, but against the very best he doesnt bring anything else.
 
noodlehair said:
TBH I think this place when it comes to Cleverley is an utter embarrassment.

He takes all manner of shit on here after every single game, as if he somehow chooses to not be good enough at football to play for United. This despite there being any number of more talented players at the club who over the past 12 months have performed little or no better than him.

I mean if a player who should be good enough underperforms then by all means have a go at them. When a player just genuinely isn't good enough, the fault is with whoever keeps putting them in the team.

Not only that but now he gets loads of shit because theclub tried to flog him, and he had enough about himself to make the decision his own. If he considered himself above Villa, he wouldn't be trying to go there on loan. He's done nothing wrong at all.
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I said the other day he's a victim of circumstance more than anything. Like you have said above, he isn't picking the team he's just selected and gets criticised as if it's his decision to be there. The problem he does have is that when things go wtrong at United it's player like him that we have to improve on and therefore his name will come up in the "shit" pile and will probably get stick. In fairness I don't see people criticizing him personally for playing more the selection of him. Him being a regular in our team shows a shocking lack of depth. Compare it to City or Chelsea and I'd guess he would struggle to make their 2nd or even 3rd choice starting 11s. It's not his fault but when he's there he will probably get some degree of stick.

I think he takes more stick than others because there was a degree of hype around him when he first came in. He did play up to it to with the branding stuff etc which is either stupid on his behalf or very badly advised. He therefore gave himself an imagine, whether fair or not, that he thinks he has made it somewhat despite him barely (if at all) playing for Man Utd. People will therefore expect more of him than was expected. Whilst in his defence he had a reason for doing it people will always be judgmental about stuff like that.

It's only natural people will get frustrated at the player, especially in the heat of the moment if they've had a good game. I think a lot of frustration with Cleverley comes from the fact he did have potential to be good enough, or better than he was, and he never progressed. Whether it's bad coaching, management or how he is himself none of us will ever know but it was disappointing to see.
 
For someone who is so average he seems to inspire such extreme opinions, it is too harsh to describe him as a coward or shit but i also have no idea how anyone can think he is good enough to even sit on the bench here. His best performances are massively exaggerated and you can count on one the number of times he has had two good performances back to back.

He only survived here because SAF was waiting to retire and moyes was so indecisive, as soon as he was assessed objectively he was forced down the pecking order, not offered a new contract and we have made every effort to get rid of him. Good luck to him at villa but we are a better side without him and in all honesty he should have gone a while ago.
 
Wish him all the best.Never quite fulfilled that potential for United . Young will get all the heat in the matchday threads now.
 
Good luck at Villa, Cleverley. That's about your level. Having said that, the little scrote's still cost us £8m.
 
Señor said:
Good luck at Villa, Cleverley. That's about your level. Having said that, the little scrote's still cost us £8m.
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Maybe not. I think at the moment only way of shifting him out is loan (i think i read somewhere you can still send players on loan after transfer deadline day) and we could agreed with Villa that we loan him until January and they buy him in January. It is unlikely but possible.
 
Until January? Whats the point in a 4 month loan.
 
Reading Percy's article, I imagine it's so they won't need to pay his full wages perhaps?

He'll go permanently in January either way. Him, Hernandez and Nani have played their last United match.

But: Anderson? Seriously? And Young?
 
Mister_Stubbs said:


:drool::drool::drool::drool::D:D:D:D
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Best outcome for everyone. We all know Cleverley's leaving and, at least this way, until he does United won't be covering his wages.

It's a shame it didn't work out for him. I remember being excited to see him on the pitch. Hopefully a change of scenery can resurrect that player.
 
marjen said:
Reading Percy's article, I imagine it's so they won't need to pay his full wages perhaps?

He'll go permanently in January either way. Him, Hernandez and Nani have played their last United match.

But: Anderson? Seriously? And Young?
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No one's going to take Anderson. Also people on here are way to harsh on Young,he's been descent this season.
 
Sweet Square said:
No one's going to take Anderson. Also people on here are way to harsh on Young,he's been descent this season.
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He's been on descent for a while, aye.

FFS did you watch the Swansea match? He isn't a wing back.

And he's poor as a winger.
 
marjen said:
Reading Percy's article, I imagine it's so they won't need to pay his full wages perhaps?

He'll go permanently in January either way. Him, Hernandez and Nani have played their last United match.

But: Anderson? Seriously? And Young?
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As much as you may not like it, we simply couldn't offload everyone in one window.. the ones gone were all wanted by others, the ones who have stayed weren't. I expect in the coming windows those that are still considered to be deadwood will also leave.
 
Some of the abuse he gets is just plain stupid. Good for him and United that he's gone but too much hate
 
That's good for him, if he gets this loan.
 
Be surprised if the PL let a loan deal go ahead. I'm sure other clubs couldn't get deals through as it was too late.
 
marjen said:
He's been on descent for a while, aye.

FFS did you watch the Swansea match? He isn't a wing back.

And he's poor as a winger.
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Sadly yes but he wasn't anywhere near the worst player on the pitch

He's been ok really. I know he's a great but I've never got the hate he get's

Anyway er... have a good one Tom.
 
So is that a fake account or not? Has he left? Cleverley cannot say he wasn't given enough chances. He had the best chance anyone would get to stake a claim in our midfield and establish themselves but he decided to hide instead which is very disappointing after his fairly impressive first season under Fergie.
 
Freak said:
So is that a fake account or not? Has he left? Cleverley cannot say he wasn't given enough chances. He had the best chance anyone would get to stake a claim in our midfield and establish themselves but he decided to hide instead which is very disappointing after his fairly impressive first season under Fergie.
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Fake.
 
marjen said:
Reading Percy's article, I imagine it's so they won't need to pay his full wages perhaps?

He'll go permanently in January either way. Him, Hernandez and Nani have played their last United match.

But: Anderson? Seriously? And Young?
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Don't worry their next, Amos, Fletcher and Anderson will be out of contract and Fellaini, Valencia and Young will be shown the door in Jan.
 
I feel like the hatred/ill feeling towards Cleverley comes from the clubs perennial lack of addressing the central midfield positions after Keane left and Scholes retired twice (I'm not including the current management structure in that). In the same way Fellaini sums up everything that was hated about the Moyes era, Cleverley represents a long period where our club has settled with mediocrity and failed to address vital positions within the team. As a result fans annoyance at the club for not sorting out the problems gets directed towards the players that symbolise it.
 
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