This. It's pretty simple really and a bit of a shame for the player.
Tom Cleverley | 2014/15 Performances (on loan at Aston Villa)
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The thing is if he leaves on a free he'll get a decent signing on bonus and better wages. You can't really blame him for thinking a year on the bench is worth it when he'll make a lot more personally on his next contract. The fact is his career will be over in 7-8 years and his next contract will be the one that he hopes will set him and his kids up for life. The difference between that contract being worth say £8m over 5 years and being worth £17m over 5 years is huge for him and his family.
I could even see a January move for him, giving him the 60k a week he's after as the transfer fee will drop to around £3m. That'd work for both parties.
Maybe his refusal to go is a reflection of his character- he seems happy to do the simple stuff on the pitch just to be a part of the team, he never really looked like someone who wanted to become something more for us. He is one lucky bastard to play for United at this period of time, when we are (were) lacking top quality in midfield.
I was hoping he will leave us, what would be the best for both parties. I’m sure he will get a few games (Anderson got 2 games…) but he won’t be part of the main action, so I don’t know what good will sitting on the bench/playing in the reserves do for him in a year time. He won’t get another Everton offer I’m sure. IMO this was stupid for him.
Everton are also in the NW, and apparently he wasn't keen on moving anyway. Think he's got a kid now too.
Poor in terms of the clubs wanting to sign him and from us, if we were prepared to sell why didnt we tout him around earlier. Now we have him on our books when clearly he's not in LVG's plans. For me this just highlights how ridiculous football clubs are, Everton couldnt conclude the deal as they didnt leave enough time (or tried to push the price down, which we may have accepted if they bid 2 weeks ago). Really poor, feel sorry for him as it would have been good to see how he could have done with some first team football as 24 months ago he was playing well for us, and looking like a first team player.
The thing is that he needs to realise, he is not a 60k p/w player. He is awful yet somehow has this ultra high opinion of himself. Surely he has watched the games he has played and thought '' im actually pretty w@nk''
I'm sure he wanted to be paid as much as possible. I know I would, in his situation.
He'll sign a pre-contract with them in January and join them on a free next summer.
Unless he can radically turn his United career around in the next few months, that is.
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) is going to look harsh when Fletch gets crocked and we start Clev & Anderson in the centre MF.
) is going to look harsh when Fletch gets crocked and we start Clev & Anderson in the centre MF.I don't think this is best for him in the medium to long term - it's better financially, but a year with no first team football is just going to stagnate his career further and stall his development.
If you people don't want Tom playing in the reserves, my Sunday league team could use a centre midfielder.
The cheek of Everton, to ask for a loan for a player on the last year of his contract
Hope we add them to that list alongside Spurs of clubs we should no longer do business with, stingy cnuts.
Hope we add them to that list alongside Spurs of clubs we should no longer do business with, stingy cnuts.
Won't get much playing time. Still an option from the bench though or when others are injured which is exactly his level
He'll wont get any games this season. Maybe get some in the FA cup but as long Herrera, Blind, Fletcher and later Carrick are fit. He's not gonna get a sniff near the starting 11 or even bench. He should of cut his wages and joined up either Villa or Everton, too greedy.
This may well be a blessing in disguise. Training with the first team under LvG, watching the others etc. He may well get some confidence. I remember in his early days with us he even played a few times as a full back. Maybe LvG and the coaches can turn him into a long term replacement for Carrick.
Always felt some of the abuse/criticism he got was unfair. He may never of been good enough for us but the way he was treated by fans for someone who plays for us, nevermind the fact he came through the ranks too, was horrible. However, if these stories of him not wanting to take a pay cut are true I've lost all respect for him. I've never understood why footballers hoggle over a bit of earnings when they are going to be earning ridiculous amounts anyway. His lifestyle would not of been much different had he been earning 30, 40, 50 or 60 grand a week, surely? The most important thing for him surely has to be first team football and trying to cement his place in the England squad. He's probably ruined that for himself now.
The cheek of Everton, to ask for a loan for a player on the last year of his contract
Hope we add them to that list alongside Spurs of clubs we should no longer do business with, stingy cnuts.
It is a bit of a fecking liberty. Can't blame them for trying though. I'd really like to see us be a bit more ruthless and cunning in the transfer market, instead of just throwing money at people. A bit more like Juve and a bit less like PSG.
I thought he was asking for £80k per week and Everton refused.
You're right, obv. But pro footy is all about the bravado/macho cobblers - 'look at my ££££ wedge' etc. I'd settle for 10k a week meself.
He will be a 60 grand a week player though. Which in today's world translates to a mid table first team player. Why would anyone accept 30 grand a week when 12 months later they will earn double.
If you knew you would be forced to retire from your current job in your mid thirties, you'd fight bloody hard to earn as much money as possible every single time a new opportunity came up. I know I would.
Their's no chance of that happening, he doesnt fit in LVGs philosophy. He cant play deep midfielder, he is shocking when it comes to long balls as he simply hasnt go the vision and confidence to pull it off, and he's simply not defensive minded. Keeps making silly challenges, cant out muscle players, cant win aerial duels and his confidence is just even worse. IMO he is not premier league standard, simple as that. He has made 78 appearances and has scored only 5 goals and 3 or 4 assists.. and this guy is on 60k a week and demands the same from other clubs? outrageous.
He's dead to me.
I agree you'd definitely want as much as you could get. Cleverley is playing a dangerous game though.
I can appreciate his circumstances, Villa isn't as appealing as Everton. In terms of quality of team Everton is much better for 1 but also if he didn't want to move for example it's far easier for him to get to Everton than it would be for Villa (though for 80k a week I'm sure it's worth the journey!)
I think the risk ifh e sticks around at United is his stock falls quite a lot. I doubt he'll play much in first team games and he's not exactly a hugely marketable player...he won't be able to demand 80k a week and the like anyway after next year. He can leave on a free which fecks the club over a bit but I just can't see how it benefits him sticking around, the risk being he ends up getting offered a lot less than he would of done this window.
The problem he has at United is he's not progressed and just isn't good enough, if this was a regular player turning down the deals no one would be arsed, peoples views are clouded by the fact he is just lingering around and isn't good enough to be in the squad. It's frustrating as a fan to see it....in his defence it's easy for us to say we'd leave etc to salvage our career but the money will play a factor for him, football is a short career. Whilst they SHOULD have disposable income you never know what their money on, it's not that much different to us getting pay rises, still find a way to spend it. It's just their "luxury items" cost a lot more than ours.
Why is he getting so much stick?
Why would you move to Aston Villa from Manchester United, AND accept a massive pay cut, when in 6-12 months time you know that worst case scenario you can pick whatever club you want? Only an imbecile or someone with an irrational love for Aston Villa woul do this.
He hasn't done anything wrong at all apart from refuse to let Woodward bully him down a potentially poor career path choice.
If you want to blame anyone, it's the club's fault for trying to flog a player to teams like Villa when they only have a year left on their contract. He's not a fecking trading card.
Why would you move to Aston Villa from Manchester United, AND accept a massive pay cut, when in 6-12 months time you know that worst case scenario you can pick whatever club you want? Only an imbecile or someone with an irrational love for Aston Villa woul do this.
He hasn't done anything wrong at all apart from refuse to let Woodward bully him down a potentially poor career path choice.
If you want to blame anyone, it's the club's fault for trying to flog a player to teams like Villa when they only have a year left on their contract. He's not a fecking trading card.
Paycut? They were offering the same wages as he was getting here. Plus more importantly playing time.
Fabian fecking Delph have been included in the England squad and Cleverley is no where to be seen.
The England midfield for these qualifiers is largely disappointing.
That should've sent signals to him that he needs to be playing regularly.
The England midfield for these qualifiers is largely disappointing.
That should've sent signals to him that he needs to be playing regularly.
I bet they werem't, and even if they were, that reflects worse on him how exactly?
He can be pressured into signing for Villa or wait 6 months and sign for anyone he wants, which he already knows will include Everton.
Why do you think Everton refused to offer a fee and only wanted a loan deal?
It's not that hard to work out really.
Erm Everton did offer a fee. Then they for some reason tried to haggle it down.
Agree with noods - the fact that he's getting slagged of for this is ridiculous.
Why go somewhere he doesn't want to go for not enough money, when he can go somewhere he does want to go in 12 months for a lot more money? This isn't rocket science, and Cleverley doesn't HAVE to leave our club if he doesn't want to... which is no one's fault except United's, as we offered him the contract in the first place.
Why go somewhere he doesn't want to go for not enough money, when he can go somewhere he does want to go in 12 months for a lot more money? This isn't rocket science, and Cleverley doesn't HAVE to leave our club if he doesn't want to... which is no one's fault except United's, as we offered him the contract in the first place.
So when Everton low-balled United and fvcked up his preferred move, he did everything possible to try and sort out a last-minute loan move (including, presumably, agreeing the reduced wage they were offering) so he could at least play a bit more football?
How un-ambitious of him...
We should sell him but put in some sort of weird non compete clause. Buy him and he's yours forever.The cheek of Everton, to ask for a loan for a player on the last year of his contract
Hope we add them to that list alongside Spurs of clubs we should no longer do business with, stingy cnuts.
They wanted a loan deal.
"for some reason" ..he's got less than a year left on his contract. It's really not hard to work out.
"Yeah, we could pay you £7m now, or we could wait a bit, pay you nothing and get the player anyway"
Would you pay millions of pounds to get Tom Cleverley slightly sooner than you would by paying nothing at all?
Tbf, he still lost us much of the transfer fee probably so he can run down his contract and basically get a bigger pay packet next season.
Anyway, we left it too late with all these players. So got to take the blame there too.
Yeah yeah, as if all of you honest and loyal employees would immediately hand in notice at work to take the first possible option when told by your current employer that you are not needed anymore. Noway would you bite your time and go for the much better career opportunity 4 months later.
We have wasted so much money on fees and wages over the years on some absolute garbage, but no, let's abuse a player who cost us nothing and is on the lowest wages at the club.
If the club was so concerned about missing out on money, they were more than welcome to loan him. This way at least they might have received a small loan fee. At the very least they would have saved in wages. But nope, let's give all kind of abuse to a guy who is - shock horror - doing what is best for his career.
We have wasted so much money on fees and wages over the years on some absolute garbage, but no, let's abuse a player who cost us nothing and is on the lowest wages at the club.
If the club was so concerned about missing out on money, they were more than welcome to loan him. This way at least they might have received a small loan fee. At the very least they would have saved in wages. But nope, let's give all kind of abuse to a guy who is - shock horror - doing what is best for his career.
How dare he have the nerve to consider his own career when the club try and flog him around like an unwanted piece of meat.
Btw, i am not sure why we are so keen to offload him at any cost anyway ?
He's still better than Fletcher, Fellaini and Anderson right ?
Guess Villa might be paying decent loan fee till january but still.
He's still better than Fletcher, Fellaini and Anderson right ?
Guess Villa might be paying decent loan fee till january but still.
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