He is in the last year of his contract anyway right?
Tom Cleverley | 2014/15 Performances (on loan at Aston Villa)
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Certainly you can't blame him for looking out for himself even though he is completely unworthy of wearing the United shirt. Anyone in his position would wait for Everton either in January or when his contract runs out so he can join them on a free next summer. Who would want to join Villa at this juncture when they are under such turbulence. That said, he should just train with the reserves the rest of the year.
Can we change the thread's name?I don't want him to take game times from some of our very promising U21s.
He didn't. He never entered into person contract talks with Everton. It is the clubs that couldn't agree a deal as Everton couldn't afford to match the 8m or so that Villa were offering and we weren't willing to drop the price.
You really can't blame Clevs for wanting a move to Everton who are in Europe, play great football, look really strong and have a top manager who has worked with before and rates him really highly over Villa who although have looked decent these first 3 matches have been getting worse and worse, have an average manager and have uncertainties in regards to ownership.
I guess I read it wrong since I heard the reason why the deal was collapsed because Cleverley asking the wage which both clubs couldn't afford it.
But still, we could at least sell him cheaper if we can sell Kagawa with such a price. So doesn't make any sense why we can't downgrade the price. Still more sense about the wages problem.
By the way I wanted him to join Everton because I think it's the best club for him to get games and getting back to England squad again.
Bit annoying that he didn't accept a move away, but I'm not going to get annoyed at him over it. It was his choice and we just have to accept he will be with us for another 6 months at least. We only miss out on a small fee anyway, so not a massive loss.
Err... Thought I'd wake up to see him gone but it isn't to be.
Loan window is still open yeah? If he isn't begging and groveling for a loan today, I'd not know what to say.
Loan window is still open yeah? If he isn't begging and groveling for a loan today, I'd not know what to say.
From what I've read from apparent reliable Everton sources are that he never went to Everton to hold talks as the clubs never agreed a deal. He did go to Villa to hold talks but apparently was asking too much and when he heard of the Everton interest likely didn't want the Villa move.
I don't know either as it seems it was either take a lower offer from Everton or let him go for even cheaper in January or nothing at all next summer plus the wages we'd save selling him now so I don't really understand it either.
I'm a big fan of Cleverley myself and was hoping he'd get the Everton move too. Now he'll get minimal play here and when he does he'll just be on the end of dogs abuse.
Football League loan opens back up on the 7th or 8th I believe. Absolutely no chance of him taking a Championship loan. Premier League loan window shuts with the transfer window.
Reopen from 8 Sep but only to Championship and below.
Oh dear. Cheers guys.
As it is, we play fewer games this season. If everyone is fit, he isn't going to get much of a sniff at first team action, even if LvG decides to be kind to him.
Surprise!
Used to defend him in matchday threads, but he can seriously feck off right now. Unambitious goblin just looking for more money instead of progressing his fading career. People now see why he didn't make it at United, he's an unambitious money slave who doesn't give two fecks about the club that nurtured him.
Spanish football my arse, cnut.
Spanish football my arse, cnut.
Can't stand the sight of this Beckham wannabe now even more so than before.
I am not so sure about the reports of him wanting more wages which resulted his transfer to other clubs not happening.
However, I always feel his attitude is questionable. He was deemed as a potential youngster to take over the United midfield but due to his injury, he was never the same. He then went on to become more shite under Moyes and never regain his confidence on the pitch.
What he did during these couple of years was why I never like him. He was given chance after chance to regain back his fitness and capability but more often than not he let himself down on the pitch. He then go on and try to defend himself off the pitch with social media stating that he is not as bad as people think. Making those statements didn't help him at all when he prove to be useless/harmful to the team. Out there saying he has been wrongly blamed as the scapegoat but he did not do himself any favor to prove his doubters wrong. Saying La Liga players passing sideways are the way to go.
I believe he overrated himself to a certain extent that he did not feel he was so poor in the first place.
However, I always feel his attitude is questionable. He was deemed as a potential youngster to take over the United midfield but due to his injury, he was never the same. He then went on to become more shite under Moyes and never regain his confidence on the pitch.
What he did during these couple of years was why I never like him. He was given chance after chance to regain back his fitness and capability but more often than not he let himself down on the pitch. He then go on and try to defend himself off the pitch with social media stating that he is not as bad as people think. Making those statements didn't help him at all when he prove to be useless/harmful to the team. Out there saying he has been wrongly blamed as the scapegoat but he did not do himself any favor to prove his doubters wrong. Saying La Liga players passing sideways are the way to go.
I believe he overrated himself to a certain extent that he did not feel he was so poor in the first place.
Cost the club 8-10m. But then again, he has the right to look after his best interests.
Pretty sure Martinez and Everton had something to do with him backing out of the Villa deal and I presume he has a handshake agreement with them to sign a pre contract in January. Kind of shady just like the Zeki Fryers and Daniel Levy situation but I could care more if he was actually any good. Now he'll spend a season doing feck all.
What a sad waste. Just like on the football field, no bravery or conviction. There's no way he should be taking minutes off the U21s in the reserve league going forward.
Could we send Cleverley and a few reserve/fringe players on a season long world tour to recoup some money?
The Manchester United Tom Cleverley Traveling All-Stars!
Woody would make millions and millions.
The Manchester United Tom Cleverley Traveling All-Stars!
Woody would make millions and millions.
Great shout @Kag . i wouldnt even play him in the reserves. Let him rot. He is all that is wrong with the modern footballer. More concerned with his bank balance than actually doing what he is paid to do.
He wanted 60 grand a week. Villa offered 30 and first team football.
Will there really be any difference to his lifestyle had he have chose to earn 30 grand over 60 grand? He would still be earning more money than sense.
Little rat faced idiot.
'Im more of a spanish type midfielder' on what basis Mr Cleverley? i would love to know.
He wanted 60 grand a week. Villa offered 30 and first team football.
Will there really be any difference to his lifestyle had he have chose to earn 30 grand over 60 grand? He would still be earning more money than sense.
Little rat faced idiot.
'Im more of a spanish type midfielder' on what basis Mr Cleverley? i would love to know.
Imagine he started the next game?
Love the title change.
its good but it should be bench reserve team performances
Threat title 
The side-pass globetrotters. I like it!
Send him to Spain, so they can applaud him.
Might see a turnaround in Tom. Pressure is now off him. There's a good player in there just a better player when not under the microscope.
The pressure is off him because he knows he won't play anymore. He can now sit back and enjoy the money he's making for doing feck all.
Pressure is off? It will be more on than ever if he plays because he rejected a move.
I can't be angry at him not wanting to move away, it's his right to see out his contract at the end of the day. Perhaps he feels he has more to offer and will work his way back in - possible but not likely.
It's a shame though he doesn't share the same ethic as Welbeck does.
It's a shame though he doesn't share the same ethic as Welbeck does.
Goes to show Cleverley's ambition. Hes willing to sit on the bench for a team that does not want him. At least Welbeck had the courage to take the next step. Clev demanding high wages not justified one bit.
Someone needs to explain to him that he's been dumped. He's like a needy clinger who just keeps crying they can do better.
I guess this is the downside of LvGs approach to give them an indication of game time and let them decide
I guess this is the downside of LvGs approach to give them an indication of game time and let them decide
I think people here are overly personal when it comes to Cleverley. He's not the player we need for our midfield, but as an England international (however that came about), he's entitled to feel he's worth the kind of wages most players in the England team are on, which I daresay is a damn sight more than 30-40k. He's also entitled not to want to move to a team of little ambition like Villa. He doesn't have to go just cos United want him gone. He may well suffer now though because I don't see many chances ahead of him - I would guess in Jan he'll sign a pre-contract with Everton and move there for nothing in the summer. He's not obligated to facilitate a return for United at all - that was Woodward's job.
I think people need to lay off him and accept that he's trying to do what's best for him medium to long term.
I think people need to lay off him and accept that he's trying to do what's best for him medium to long term.
But Cleverley isn't even in the England team...
Colback and Delph are, who earn the same amount. Surely he wants to play regular football and get back in the team.
I'd imagine higher wages are a higher priority to him than getting back in the England team.
Some of you need to wise the feck up and try and put yourself in his shoes. If we take the DM article as gospel, he was negotiating personal terms with Villa when a bid came in from Everton so he gave up on Villa and tried to chase the Everton opportunity. Which makes sense. It would be a far better move for him, working with a great manager who really rates him. Then Everton tried to beat us down on the fee at the last minute and that move fell apart. Is it really the worst thing in the world that he decided to see if he can prove a few people wrong at United, with the option of getting a move he really wants in a years time if that doesn't work out?
And there lies the problem. You not going to get many fans sympathise for him.
Well quite a few journos saying he wanted Villa to pay him 80k. Which is absurd.
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