Tom Cleverley | 2014/15 Performances (on loan at Aston Villa)

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noodlehair said:
TBH I think this place when it comes to Cleverley is an utter embarrassment.

He takes all manner of shit on here after every single game, as if he somehow chooses to not be good enough at football to play for United. This despite there being any number of more talented players at the club who over the past 12 months have performed little or no better than him.

I mean if a player who should be good enough underperforms then by all means have a go at them. When a player just genuinely isn't good enough, the fault is with whoever keeps putting them in the team.

Not only that but now he gets loads of shit because theclub tried to flog him, and he had enough about himself to make the decision his own. If he considered himself above Villa, he wouldn't be trying to go there on loan. He's done nothing wrong at all.
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I don't disagree with anything you say here but you initially said that the club are "trying to flog him like an a wanted piece of meat". Why this need to make the club sound like bunch of evil goons all the time? I know it sounds dramatic and makes your point more hard hitting but also makes it looked completely one sided and biased.


We wanted to sell a player who wasn't performing and were as entitled to do that as he is to decide which offers he accepts.
 
I'll probably watch a few games to see how he goes for Villa. Should be interesting.
 
Nogbadthebad said:
He was never the same after his injury that stopped his good run, but I also think he was never as good as often claimed during that run either.
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Sort of my thoughts as well. He'd had four games (inc. the charity shield) where he looked good as part of a team that was great going forward, but a bit dodgy at the back. He then got the injury at Bolton, and was out for a while. But I think it's a stretch to say the injury - which wasn't *that* serious - curtailed his career.

It's more like he was just being judged on a very small sample of games, and when he returned to play many, many more games, his proper level became more apparent.

And his proper level is 'Average Premiership midfielder'. I don't even mean that as a criticism, because the Premiership is a high quality league, and to be 'average' in it you do actually need to be pretty handy.

But he's never really looked like genuinely Top player to me.
 
orangeboom999 said:
I feel like the hatred/ill feeling towards Cleverley comes from the clubs perennial lack of addressing the central midfield positions after Keane left and Scholes retired twice (I'm not including the current management structure in that). In the same way Fellaini sums up everything that was hated about the Moyes era, Cleverley represents a long period where our club has settled with mediocrity and failed to address vital positions within the team. As a result fans annoyance at the club for not sorting out the problems gets directed towards the players that symbolise it.
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I would say its things like the following, that brings people to dislike the player;

Labelling himself as a Spannish type midfielder - claiming we dont understand what he brings to a English team
Promoting his TC23 brand before he had earnt any right to do so - like he was Pele or some sh1t
His permanently angry face did himself no favours
His lack of footballing ability and lack of visable passion - just seemed happy to hide behind others when the going got tough.

You could maybe forgive all the above if you heard stories about him staying late at training as heard with Beckham, Cole, Keane, Nevilles. For 3 seasons he has been getting worse and worse and nobody ever got the impression he cared. Unlike Chicharito, who - while still not being very good - you always sensed he cared.
Clevs developed into an awful player very quickly, so awful that i was pinning for Darron Gibson to come back.

Cleverley would have done well to discuss with Fletcher how he could have turned his united career around
 
Mister_Stubbs said:
Bugger, I've been had.



The abuse he gets on here is justified simply because of the guys attitude and poor performances over the last 12 months.
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No it's not. He's a United player after all and eventhough he was poor for United, some of the hatred was just way OTT
 
Mister_Stubbs said:
Bugger, I've been had.



The abuse he gets on here is justified simply because of the guys attitude and poor performances over the last 12 months.
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He deserves this abuse for not playing well? Do you think if he could magically make his performances better he would not do that?
 
Sir A1ex said:
Any thoughts on what Villa will be planning to do with him? Will he get to be the no10 he always wanted to be?
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Somewhere in the midfield 3 I'd suspect. Will be good for him.
 
Sky: We're hearing reports that Aston Villa's loan move for Manchester United midfielder Tom Cleverley has been approved by the Premier League. Cleverley had also been a target for the likes of Everton and Hull City before yesterday's transfer deadline.
 
is this official anywhere? Just see twitterati so far.

EDIT: OK, Sky probably have good info here
 
Just looking, we still possess a tonne of homegrown players. Which is good to see.

Rafael, Evans, Januzaj, Fletcher, Lingard, Vermijl, Janko, Amos, James, Blackett, Pereira, Keane, Wilson, Johnstone...
 
Annoying we ended up with nothing for him, would have covered almost half our Falcao fee. Going to be very, very difficult bringing in money for the rest of our deadwood next January or summer.
 
Good news. Him sitting in the reserves wouldn't help anyone and hopefully he can restart his career with actual first team football where he isn't in the spotlight. Not good enough for us but good luck to him.
 
shaggy said:
Annoying we ended up with nothing for him, would have covered almost half our Falcao fee. Going to be very, very difficult bringing in money for the rest of our deadwood next January or summer.
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Well Anderson and Cleverly will be released next year. How long does Young have on his contract? I'm sure we'll find a buyer for Fellaini, albeit at a discount price. We're nearly there.
 
Good for him. It's crazy the expectations we put on how players should be and frown upon anytime one chooses themselves. Overall he's tried here, kept his head down for the most part and it just hasn't happened. Villa might be more his level, I think the expectations won't be as high and think he'll end up like Gibson at Everton where he just is just good - not a world beater but, a solid player for them.
 
:( another local lad gone.

^^

Says Redcafe folk who have been calling him shit for the last year

:wenger:
 
Good move for both clubs, and the player. He hasn't been up to much for a couple of years now. hopefully he can resurrect his career at Villa. Best of luck to him.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
Well Anderson and Cleverly will be released next year. How long does Young have on his contract? I'm sure we'll find a buyer for Fellaini, albeit at a discount price. We're nearly there.
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Think Young's runs out in 2016. Fellaini probably the year after that.
 
NoWinNoFee said:
:( another local lad gone.

^^

Says Redcafe folk who have been calling him shit for the last year

:wenger:
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I don't think anyone's disappointed from a footballing perspective.

And he's from Bradford anyway isn't he? In fact I am pretty sure he didn't just screw us out of any fee for him yesterday, but he screwed Bradford City out of about seven or eight hundred-grand, as they held a 10% sell-on clause I think.

Far more of a loss for them than us.
 
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