Brightonian not another Anderson debate I promise buddy
but trust me on this one TC23 is well short of the quality we need.Tom Cleverley | 2012-14 Performances
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Brightonian not another Anderson debate I promise buddy
but trust me on this one TC23 is well short of the quality we need.Great at doin what exactly?
I apologise for the toughness of the above question - as no-one in the entire universe seems to know what Cleverly does or brings to the team!
Classy..
Why are we idiots? Is this the same idiots that didn't want Anderson to get another chance? Well see how that worked out and Cleverley is not half as good as Anderson!
If that's your great you are easily pleased.
Brightonian not another Anderson debate I promise buddy
I'd have ED209 anyday & he's a feckin static robot...
He wasn't brilliant, and was cowardly for a lot of the match. But he's not the kind of player Moyes was playing him as , and to extend SAF in his later years here.
Give him 6 more months under a decent manager and see what happens. Get rid of the mop first.
Give him 6 more months under a decent manager and see what happens. Get rid of the mop first.
he tackled well enough and passed well too. He has not been used properly by Moyes at all.
Thought he was decent today, got forward to some good areas and made a few forward passes, still got caught on the ball , failed to put a good shot on target and disappeared when the back 4 needed options for a out ball into midfield. He fancies himself as a #10 and he's quite frankly pretty shit at it.
He moved the ball on like everyone else did. Fair weather
This wasn't Cleverley's worst game this season but he's still far below what we should be looking for. Doesn't have the attitude or authority to play in midfield for United.
Great? feck me. What exactly did he do? He's useless.
Saw this, and describes what's happened to him perfectly.
"At times this season Cleverley has looked paralysed by fear. Fear of doing something wrong rather than having the ambition to do it right."
"At times this season Cleverley has looked paralysed by fear. Fear of doing something wrong rather than having the ambition to do it right."
4-0? Complete dominance in midfield? Yes, that pleases me.
We did not dominate in midfield. We controlled it to an extend by passing it fast, and keeping players moving. Carrick did most of the good passes from deep, the way we played for the rest was to commit numbers forward on and use the sides.
Pleased me also but that wasn't down to Cleverley in the slightest.
He had about the worse 5 mins of anyone this season, culminating in that horribly mishit shot. He looked understandably rusty but needs to improve considerably to prove himself after showing initial promise.
In the first half he tackled yes. Not another in the 2nd half
Best post I've seen about Cleverley in ages.
Can't believe someone said he was 'great'. The boy is a coward. I almost player cammed him today and he was regularly doing his best to make himself unavailable for a pass. When it was given to him, he'd give it to the person a couple yards from him as quickly as possible. When that easy pass wasn't available and he found himself isolated, he lost the ball.
I said at the beginning of the season that he'd be very fortunate to make it to Brazil. I reckon he'll go for a number of reasons, mainly not enough time for anyone else to step up, and a lack of alternatives to be fair. That said, I reckon his international career will be pretty much done after Brazil, and if Moyes had stayed, the same would be said of his United career.
A player like Jack Cork, for example, is a fair bit better than him I reckon.
I said at the beginning of the season that he'd be very fortunate to make it to Brazil. I reckon he'll go for a number of reasons, mainly not enough time for anyone else to step up, and a lack of alternatives to be fair. That said, I reckon his international career will be pretty much done after Brazil, and if Moyes had stayed, the same would be said of his United career.
A player like Jack Cork, for example, is a fair bit better than him I reckon.
Henderson will take his place I reckon.
Both will go to Brazil. Aside from the old guard, not many are ready I think.
Remember the Community Shield game against City when he came on in the 2nd half when we were 2nil down - he was excellent. Pure running game from mid-field, playin one-two's all over the shop. Then he got injured soon after that game & has never even got close to a 45mins of football like that again.
That was in 2011 & that was his best football for us - 3 years ago man...
Sadly, he's not United class in my opinion & i cant be dissuaded from that assessment.. I usually can be persuaded after much thought if i'm wrong or just plain old biased - like Van Gaal for instance, but not with Clevz!
"Scholesy's replacement" they used to say?!
I was also following him today, and saw exactly the same player you did. Some others have rose tinted glasses on. If he was an american footballer, he'd have on playbook when he has the ball - get rid of it quickly, normally sideways or backwards and then run off in the opposite direction
One play for when somebody is near him with the ball - don't show for it. And defensively he never intercepts. Never, he's so predictable. And has no close control, long passing or dribbling skills - basically no technique. Wellbeck deserves our support as he has some great skills to build a top player around. The Cleverley cupboard is bare.I though he picked his performance up over the game and you've got to cut him some slack given he's not played much recently but I thought he was average/poor for large periods. For me he just doesn't seem to get in good positions. When we have the ball in defence he pushes up too quick and calls for unrealistic passes, seemingly unaware that he's sandwiched between two other players and in attack he usually comes across as a bystander of fluffs his chance. He did try a few more expansive passes though but I just don't think he's cut out for more than a squad role as he really hasn't pushed on at all.
I think you're being kind by saying he 'doesn't realise he's sandwiched between two players'. My accusation that he 'hides' refers to this very act. He keeps wandering into a safe place in the crowd instead of offering himself. That would indicate to me that ue doesn't really want it. What he actually does with the ball on the occasions he does get it further indicated to me that he never wanted it in the first place.
No offence man & i dont mean to be a gobshite, but thats not an ideal assessment of a player that played a "decent" game. In fact, its quite the opposite of what you were sayin.
"Thought he was decent today, got forward to some good areas and made a few forward passes.." - i.e. he ran around alot & made himself look like he was doing something, but in actual fact - he was doin feck all as usual. He wasnt makin space - he was running away from the ball so he wouldnt have to touch it. Thats Cleverly in a nutshell unfortunately & he's not a kid anymore either, so folk shouldnt be affording him the "he's got potential" card - he's 24 years old & turns 25 in August!
Well it's definitely true that when h gets the ball he then does nothing with it, giving it straight back but I'm not sure if he's hiding. He definitely calls for it, it's just not a plausible pass half the time, I mean he could be aware of that but it strikes me more of a lack of awareness and I think feeds in to problems in his overall game. I might be too critical but I just think he's more often than not, not where we need him.
If Cleverley is in the World Cup squad before Gareth "fecking" Barry it would be a travesty! That says it all imo.
I'd a mate years ago & he used to grow insane magic mushrooms that would feck your head up. Cleverly is harder to take than my mates homegrown shit..
As an Irishman - i want a England to have a team of Tom Cleverly's.
The same as when us Irish fans used to ironically sing & still do: "We all dream of a team of Gary Breens.. a team of Gary Breens...a team of Gary Breens.... a team of Gary Breens.. We all dream of a team of Gary Breens - a team of Gary Breens.. a team of Gary Breens"
Classic
He appears intent to go onto the pitch to earn his 6 in the ratings every game. The aim seems to be to put himself in a position where he can't be criticised for doing anything 'wrong ', as opposed to being praised for anything he did particularly well.
Basically, win, lose or draw, at least nobody will blame me. What he is learning is that you will be found out soon enough here, as you can't hide playing for United.
I'd like to see him do a Van Gaal and drop his draws to show everyone he does actually have bollocks!
Basically, win, lose or draw, at least nobody will blame me. What he is learning is that you will be found out soon enough here, as you can't hide playing for United.
I'd like to see him do a Van Gaal and drop his draws to show everyone he does actually have bollocks!
I can't think of any setup which would suit him. Luckily that’s not my job, but I don’t think he will be used often if we finally bring some proper midfielders. I would still pick Fellaini ahead of him, I don’t like Clevs cowardness.
The best solution for both sides would be to sell him IMO. I don’t think he has what it takes to succeed here, while he can be a really good player in a club with less pressure on him.
The best solution for both sides would be to sell him IMO. I don’t think he has what it takes to succeed here, while he can be a really good player in a club with less pressure on him.
I agree with your line here. It's weird with Tom, he's got a lot of ability but it's not transmitting to the pitch. I honestly feel that Van Gaal is the type of coach who could work wonders with him. He is very precise with how he sets teams up and what he wants his players to do. Cleverley is tactically adept I just think he struggles to impose his game in the two man midfield United regularly employ. I also think he and Carrick are not a good combination, never have and never will.
Moyes was never going to use him properly as he doesn't want his midfielders to push up to the attacking third. Cleverley is quite unique as he is almost a carrier of the ball. He is best when he can receive it quickly and give and go, linking the attacking play, repeating this process further up the pitch. I liked his play when Ferguson employed the diamond last year, as he always links well with players moving freely within a fluid system.
It would be a mistake to sell him without allowing a new manager to work on him a bit more.
Genuinely don't see where people are getting this stuff about him being quality tonight. He made plenty of mistakes today he wasn't terrible but no way was he anything above average.
He is the new Leon Osman isn't he.
We shouldn't rely on him in bigger matches. So far he looks like a bench player at it's best even for adventure in Europa League. Norwich is kinda opponent for him and it's not looking promising at all. There's so many wiser and accurate creative midfielders in decent clubs than him, it's not even funny anymore.
Next season should be: Time to let him go or give him smaller role for easier league fixtures or Cup matches against Championship sides, because if Van Gaal shall arrive, he may be in a shock how some 'talents' still get so many games in a first team.
I wish him all best, though but reason to stay will require some serious efforts from him, if only he wants learn more in the age of 25.
Next season should be: Time to let him go or give him smaller role for easier league fixtures or Cup matches against Championship sides, because if Van Gaal shall arrive, he may be in a shock how some 'talents' still get so many games in a first team.
I wish him all best, though but reason to stay will require some serious efforts from him, if only he wants learn more in the age of 25.
He'll seriously slide down the leagues once he leaves United & end up at Scotland sooner or later!
Just hope, he won't end like Liam Miller.Just two years ago he was the hot shit in United and England. Hard to comprehend in what way things are going now.
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