If there was ever a player who needs to be shown Van Gaal's balls...
Tom Cleverley | 2012-14 Performances
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He'll be brilliant for you guys, in your system. It's a shame. I hope we keep him. He isn't nearly as poor as he has looked at times this season.
everyone bored with bashing Moyes so its back to Clev huh
He'd be a good player to compete with starters or add depth, plus wouldn't cost much at all I think. Might even turn into a very good player yet in a club with less pressure. He has ability but mentally just isn't cut out for United, he can't handle the pressure. Stepping down to a smaller club, with no disrespect, but he'd actually get chances and given time to shine. Plus Martinez has always rated him and he'd fit in really well in your system.
What has happened to Gibson by the way, don't remember seeing him this season at all but he was good last season. Long term injury?
Our fans have been vile to Cleverley this season. Wouldn't surprise me too much if he wanted to go. It's a shame though. He's a good player and I think that will become apparent in a Martinez team rather than a static team focused almost entirely on overloading the flanks rather than playing through the centre and passing and moving.
Posted this in twitter thread but...
Wont be a popular opinion, but I wouldn't be in favour of letting Cleverley go this summer. We've not got great numbers in that area as it is, we'll be losing Anderson and Giggs as the only other forward thinking central midfielders we've got at the club, I don't see the benefit in getting rid of him. Under a great coach like Van Gaal we could easily see him return to the intelligent pass and move player we saw when he first broke into the team, there's no harm in keeping him as back up to a star CM we sign in the summer. We need some level of continuity in the squad, we can't bin 10 players in one go, it's unheard of. We've won the league with him as first choice for the majority of that season, he's nowhere near that bad. There's a reason Martinez sees potential in him, clearly.
Wont be a popular opinion, but I wouldn't be in favour of letting Cleverley go this summer. We've not got great numbers in that area as it is, we'll be losing Anderson and Giggs as the only other forward thinking central midfielders we've got at the club, I don't see the benefit in getting rid of him. Under a great coach like Van Gaal we could easily see him return to the intelligent pass and move player we saw when he first broke into the team, there's no harm in keeping him as back up to a star CM we sign in the summer. We need some level of continuity in the squad, we can't bin 10 players in one go, it's unheard of. We've won the league with him as first choice for the majority of that season, he's nowhere near that bad. There's a reason Martinez sees potential in him, clearly.
I'd keep him unless we intend to bring in three or four midfielders in the summer. He's not good enough to be a consistent starter for Manchester United, but he's a useful squad player, especially with our current midfield options.
He didn't, he stuck him on the left wing for most of that season.
A big critic of him, but if Van Gaal rumours are true, I think that he will (and should) stay. Van Gaal loves his midfielders almost as Pep, which means that Cleverley will improve under him and we also need a lot of midfielders. So unlike we sign three of them, I think that Cleverley will stay. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Ben Pearson will also play a part next season.
Quite a lot of CMs learn their trade out wide.
I think he's a good player and all, although I've been very critical of him in the past, I just think his main problems lie mentally. He's too weak mentally and can't handle the pressure of being a united player. That interview he had recently saying how it hurts him to be criticized by United fans or whatever, obviously it's shit from the fans, but it also shows that the player isn't strong mentally. Just not cut out for a top club, more made for a slightly smaller club where he won't be crucified for every little mistake.
He's been very poor player for us, not just this season. Only time when he looked remotely good was when he played with Anderson in midfield ( what the feck ). Then it was averageness at it's best. If he wasn't a homegrown, local player then he would get his ass ripped just like Anderson. His biggest highlight of recent must be that street dancing really.
Having said that, I wish him good luck if he's really about to leave and hope he does well wherever he goes.
Edit: euphemismed a little there because some people were losing their shit.
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What bullshit. Seriously. Think about what you write ffs.
His progression has been damaged by Moyes and the Fellaini signing this season, in all honestly cleverly is better than Fellaini and complements Carrick alot better. I hope he stays, and gets his confidence back.
If you're ridiculously blowing things out of proportion then don't get so precious when somebody does it against you.
I know it doesn't mean much now but Joe Rothwell was giving a CL squad number under Moyes so I'm hoping the new guy(I'm still disappointed that Moyes is going I thought he did really well with the youth players)rate's Rothwell and Pearson and is willing to give them chances.
I think there's a few bright prospects in midfield for us but it's a position that take time to learn how to play. So for that reason I could see Cleverly staying while the young players get experience in and out of the team. As a player I think Cleverley rarely offer's anything special sadly, I would say he's a ok backup which is sad because he showed a lot of promise early on.
Sell him.
Needs to play in a 3 man midfield to be at his most effective. I suppose Everton might provide that.
Is Gibson a better player than Cleverley?
Is Gibson a better player than Cleverley?
Not really. More people want him to stay. I just think he needs to have more confidence in his abilities and be more aggressive especially going forward. He showed great goal scoring ability when he was younger and it seemed to have completely disappeared.
Care to elaborate or are we going to pretend we're doges now ?
Be a shame to see Cleverz leave - if he does. I still think with the right system and confidence, he can really shine.
I always go back to how well he played in 2011 when we played quick, dynamic football. Although we used to concede loads of chances, him and Anderson used to keep the ball ticking over and we creating a lot of chances, resulting in us scoring a lot of goals.
If Cleverz was to go to Everton, with the kind of football they play, I personally think it would suit him down to a tee. He's not a special player who will thread a eye of a needle pass - neither is James McCarthy, in my opinion, however, what he does give you is energy, is always available and keeps the ball ticking over when he receives it.
I always go back to how well he played in 2011 when we played quick, dynamic football. Although we used to concede loads of chances, him and Anderson used to keep the ball ticking over and we creating a lot of chances, resulting in us scoring a lot of goals.
If Cleverz was to go to Everton, with the kind of football they play, I personally think it would suit him down to a tee. He's not a special player who will thread a eye of a needle pass - neither is James McCarthy, in my opinion, however, what he does give you is energy, is always available and keeps the ball ticking over when he receives it.
I felt Gibson offered more during his period with United than Cleverley ever did to be honest. He did score in a Champions League semi-final. But I reckon Cleverley would be better suited to Martinez' football.
Understand now ?
I thought you'd actually bother to answer rest of my post but of course it's easier to nit-pick my (poor) selection of words there.
All I understand is you are a complete and utter F Wit.
Well yea I can imagine.
Cleverley was abused by our own fans on twitter, to the point that he closed his account and expressed that it affected him. I said some of our fans were vile to him, which they were.
Cleverley loves the club and even if out of form he tries his best so you're talking complete shite.
It was a pathetic post I don't even know why I responded.
Makes me wonder, which of the players on twitter nowadays isn't abused by their own fans ? I can only imagine likes of Mata, who I don't think has twitter, not being abused. If you create a twitter account then be prepared that a bunch of cnuts will go on and abuse you, which of course is bad and those people are fecking nerds that should get a life, but it is how it is. If people were booing him when on the pitch, stealing his wheels ( Lewandowski ), giving him shit on the streets then I'd understand the 'vile' part. If he's affected by people being cnuts to him on twitter, then we can easily see where the problem lies.
I don't claim he doesn't love the club, of course he does, he's a homegrown player and United supporter and for that sole reason I wish him all the best if he goes and wherever he goes, as I've said. Loving the club doesn't warrant you a place in starting eleven or even in the squad ( while I myself wouldn't mind him as a squad player ). In the pecking order of our midfielders he's hitting the bottom of it and rightfully so. He himself said that he was 'average' but what has he done about it ? Absolutely feck all. He's had his chances later on and you couldn't see an ounce of improvement from him. That's his biggest problem. Bar that fabulous part of the season in 2011 where he played well with Anderson, there was hardly any progress from Tom. He didn't improve his passing, didn't improve his defending, didn't start assisting or scoring goals, just nothing. I'd even say that he's regressed ( and it's not just about this season when everybody regressed ), stopped making himself available for the ball and didn't seem to be as energetic as before. On the contrary, you can see signs of improvement from Welbeck who indeed loves the club as much as Cleverley does. Tom's not 'young' anymore, he's 24 or 25 and seems to be standing in a place.
Argument that one tries his best despite being out of form can be formed for anybody to be fair, make it be Young, Cleverley or Bebe. And no, really, I'm not talking shit.
Oh, and all this funny talk of 'other system suiting him' and wah wah. I can understand building a system around a player that's a game changer, is Cleverley one ? Will he single-handedly turn games around for us if we build the system around him that suits him the best ? I doubt it. I'd rather we changed system towards players like Mata, Kagawa or van Persie who indeed can make things happen.
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I can only imagine how much Moyes imminent departure must be affecting you.
I can only imagine how much Moyes imminent departure must be affecting you.
For a system to suit him it doesn't have to be built around him. He is best in a quick interplay pass and move system. A system which favours the likes of Mata and Kagawa too. So I don't know what him winning games single handedly has to do with him suiting a certain style more than another.
I know I'm one of the few people left that still feel this way, but like Cleverley and think he has plenty to offer. He's probably never going to be a game winner, or someone that will take control of a game on his own, but with the right system and the right players around him I think he can do well. He shouldn't be a starter or anything but I don't want to see him go. I'd honestly rather see Carrick go than him and I'm a big Carrick fan.
I'm with you on Cleverley being a part of the squad. I think he is a good player (you can't have 5 world class CM's). I think under Martinez at Everton (who he is linked with), he would really kick on and have a good career.
I feel a little sorry for him, no one has performed well under Moyes but hes received more critism than most. Echoing what a lot of others have said, he may not be a world beater, he may not even be a starter but he certainly has his benefits as a squad player.
He's still got some talent. He needs to buckle up and become more reliable defensively though, a la Fletcher. If he can do that, he's got a foundation for building on his passing game.
A very one-dimensional player who doesn't have the cojones to take risks. He doesn't "attack the space", nor does he control the tempo of our play. He has no identity for a midfielder. When you think of Scholes, you know what you get. When you think of Carrick, you know what you get. Even with Anderson, you knew you had someone who had the ability to actually drive the team forward, despite it not being seen enough.
Cleverley lacked the bottle this season, and if anyone believes that he at his best is United quality then I must totally disagree. He's an average player at best who didn't offer much of anything.
It's horrible how England fans have treated him regarding that petition - no player deserves such humility. With that being said, it would be incredible if he got picked to go to the World Cup.
He needs to leave to find his level. All jokes aside, we have dropped a level or two but he is at a lower level yet. Think he'll do well at Everton.
Cleverley lacked the bottle this season, and if anyone believes that he at his best is United quality then I must totally disagree. He's an average player at best who didn't offer much of anything.
It's horrible how England fans have treated him regarding that petition - no player deserves such humility. With that being said, it would be incredible if he got picked to go to the World Cup.
He needs to leave to find his level. All jokes aside, we have dropped a level or two but he is at a lower level yet. Think he'll do well at Everton.
This gets me. Everton are above us, not just in points but in the way they play.
Now I know it comes down to Moyes (and that outlook could change in a few hours) but Everton are showing it doesn't matter what you have on paper, it's how the players are used. I agree he would do well at Everton, so if he was used that way here, shouldn't he do well?
I understand your point fully and agree with parts but if used the right way, he could do a job for us. Just look at last season, the manager got more out of him than this one.
In saying that, we obviously need to invest and improve but I don't think he is as bad as many make out.
Id almost given up on Cleverley but I wonder whether he isnt the kind of player who might really flourish under LVG if he does come.
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