Tom Cleverley | 2012-14 Performances

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Mauzindark said:
:lol: WTF is this.. I don't even.. How about 40 ?

1 Toni Kroos
2 Ilkay Gundogan
3 Aaron Ramsey
4 Thiago Alcantara
5 Javi Martinez
6 Granit Xhaka
7 Marco Verratti
8 Kevin Strootman
9 Jack Wilshere
10 Koke Resureccion
11 Ander Herrera
12 Ander Iturraspe
13 Asier Illaramendi
14 Mateo Kovacic
15 Sven Bender
16 Miralem Pjanic
17 Jordan Henderson
18 Adrien Rabiot
19 Moussa Dembele
20 Morgan Schneiderlin
21 Nemanja Matic
22 Radja Naingollan
23 Ivan Rakitic
24 James McCarthy
25 Mario Suarez
26 Oliver Torres
27 Cesc Fabregas
28 Sergio Busquets
29 Emre Can
30 Saul Niguez
31 Sergi Roberto
32 Lars Bender
33 Nuri Sahin
34 Roman Neustadter
35 Luis Gustavo
36 Christoph Kramer
37 Maxime Gonalons
38 Daley Blind
39 Clement Grenier
40 Lerin Duarte
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:lol: Game. Set. Match!
 
Ekeke said:
Frank Lampard's hard work led to him being a specialist. A specialist in hard work and striking the ball or scoring goals.

I'm not sure what hard work can lead to for Tom Cleverley, but I'm sure its not that. I guess you could argue he's already a specialist in sideways passing.
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That!...And when he stands there, arms out, looking for the ball. Shouting for the ball only to pass it straight back, first time, to the guy he received it from :lol:

The guy is a chump
 
.Rossi said:
That!...And when he stands there, arms out, looking for the ball. Shouting for the ball only to pass it straight back, first time, to the guy he received it from :lol:

The guy is a chump
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He has to get his low passing stats up - otherwise he'll be found out :)
 
The problem with these kind of forums, is that people are always adamant one way or the other.

Someone is either totally sh!t or the best ever.

We saw it with VP last year, everyone was sure he was much better than Rooney, and some idiots even said he was equal with Ronaldo.

Now poor Cleverley is often described as useless.
A while back a lot of people saw his energy, mobility and sensible passing as a sign of future greatness.

He's squad player fare for a team like us. He'd be a starter in plenty of other premier teams.
 
Sandikan said:
The problem with these kind of forums, is that people are always adamant one way or the other.

Someone is either totally sh!t or the best ever.

We saw it with VP last year, everyone was sure he was much better than Rooney, and some idiots even said he was equal with Ronaldo.

Now poor Cleverley is often described as useless.
A while back a lot of people saw his energy, mobility and sensible passing as a sign of future greatness.

He's squad player fare for a team like us. He'd be a starter in plenty of other premier teams.
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Yeah but, them teams will be playing in the championship next year.....
 
.Rossi said:
Yeah but, them teams will be playing in the championship next year.....
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If you think he wouldn't get into outfits like Villa and West Brom I think you're being overly harsh on him.

AT one mad point we all thought Anderson and Cleverley as a combo was the way forward. Seems hilarious now!
 
Sandikan said:
If you think he wouldn't get into outfits like Villa and West Brom I think you're being overly harsh on him.

AT one mad point we all thought Anderson and Cleverley as a combo was the way forward. Seems hilarious now!
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Ah I was only half joking really.

Attacking wise, they were very good. They were and are incredibly bad defensively.

Cleverley last night..In the first five mins, someone(can't remember who) ran through our midfield and our defence. Vidic made a great last ditch block. Cleverley's answer to stopping this?

Run along side the attacker and not bother trying to tackle him. Sheer madness!!
 
Sandikan said:
If you think he wouldn't get into outfits like Villa and West Brom I think you're being overly harsh on him.

AT one mad point we all thought Anderson and Cleverley as a combo was the way forward. Seems hilarious now!
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I think Delph, Westwood and El Ahmadi would tell you they are just as good as Tom Cleverley and you'd be hard pressed to tell them they are liars. Yacob and Malumbu are obviously better.
 
What the feck?

I was eating and viewing this thread. And see that. What was the point of posting that?
 
There was one moment in the Olympiakos game, quite early on, where Cleverley got the ball in midfield, ran through a couple of players and passed it. Then he seemed to realise what he'd done, almost fainted, and then decided to spend the rest of the game passing it only to the person next to him.

I wonder, and to be honest I have absolutely nothing to base this off, if we might see a Foster-like situation with him. Leaving United and doing quite well at a mid-table/lower-table club because the expectations are lower?
 
Mauzindark said:
:lol: WTF is this.. I don't even.. How about 40 ?

1 Toni Kroos
2 Ilkay Gundogan
3 Aaron Ramsey
4 Thiago Alcantara
5 Javi Martinez
6 Granit Xhaka
7 Marco Verratti
8 Kevin Strootman
9 Jack Wilshere
10 Koke Resureccion
11 Ander Herrera
12 Ander Iturraspe
13 Asier Illaramendi
14 Mateo Kovacic
15 Sven Bender
16 Miralem Pjanic
17 Jordan Henderson
18 Adrien Rabiot
19 Moussa Dembele
20 Morgan Schneiderlin
21 Nemanja Matic
22 Radja Naingollan
23 Ivan Rakitic
24 James McCarthy
25 Mario Suarez
26 Oliver Torres
27 Cesc Fabregas
28 Sergio Busquets
29 Emre Can
30 Saul Niguez
31 Sergi Roberto
32 Lars Bender
33 Nuri Sahin
34 Roman Neustadter
35 Luis Gustavo
36 Christoph Kramer
37 Maxime Gonalons
38 Daley Blind
39 Clement Grenier
40 Lerin Duarte
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:devil::lol:
 
Email from The Sun 'dreamteam' - the fantasy football thing.

Subject - 'We will not let Tom Cleverley ruin our World Cup Buzz'.

As much as I think he's really letting himself down and an absolute pussy when it comes to playing football, this is just harsh. He didn't select himself to play for England, has everyone forgotten that they actually didn't want and dislike Roy Hodgson or is the Manchester United ship just that much more important?
 
Ban Tom Cleverley from the World Cup squad

Tom Cleverley, owner of 13 England caps, six more than Ross Barkley, Adam Lallana and Leon Osman combined, has been regularly selected by Roy Hodgson in his squads without possessing any genuine qualities whatsoever. We believe for the reputation of this proud footballing nation that he should be prevented from participating in this summer's international showcase. Whilst England are considered to disappoint at major tournaments, further embarrassment could be avoided by not having his inept performances undermine the rest of the team's efforts.

http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/the-fa-ban-tom-cleverley-from-the-world-cup-squad
 
Sandikan said:
He's squad player fare for a team like us. He'd be a starter in plenty of other premier teams.
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Last season he started 18 league games and was generally pretty good while we won most of the games he played. He scored a couple, set up a few more, and was overall a quality squad player.

He's fine. Not as good as we hoped but nowhere near as bad as is made out, often with a disturbing hint of glee, by many on this forum. At this stage I'm not really judging any player based on their performances in 2014. Moyes has killed this squad.
 
gooDevil said:
Ban Tom Cleverley from the World Cup squad

Tom Cleverley, owner of 13 England caps, six more than Ross Barkley, Adam Lallana and Leon Osman combined, has been regularly selected by Roy Hodgson in his squads without possessing any genuine qualities whatsoever. We believe for the reputation of this proud footballing nation that he should be prevented from participating in this summer's international showcase. Whilst England are considered to disappoint at major tournaments, further embarrassment could be avoided by not having his inept performances undermine the rest of the team's efforts.

http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/the-fa-ban-tom-cleverley-from-the-world-cup-squad
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What a load of shit.
 
His best performances came when he played a high energy, quick tempo passing game at the start of 11/12.

I wonder if that was just a flash in the pan or did that Kevin Davies tackle really take so much out of him.

He's become a much more ponderous player since then.
 
Again, the key was his relationship with Welbeck. They linked up together well with some neat quick passing and flicks when Welbeck was up front. If Welbeck plays up front for England, maybe Cleverley can be decent in midfield. Maybe. But its not like even when he was playing his best football he was that brilliant. He was just a passer who was involved in far more offensive moves than he currently gets involved in.
 
It just proves that if you play for a big club your called up, the lads done nothing to deserve it. Must be bewildering for those whose position he has taken.

With my united hat on I'm glad! maybe it'll spur him on. Doubt it though, I think the early enthusiasm he had as a new player has gone and whats left is his true level.
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
His best performances came when he played a high energy, quick tempo passing game at the start of 11/12.

I wonder if that was just a flash in the pan or did that Kevin Davies tackle really take so much out of him.

He's become a much more ponderous player since then.
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Those games have been incredibly over-hyped. Granted the second half of the Community Shield was good, but, at the end of the day, it's a pre-season friendly. We were competent against West Brom, poor at home against a heavily disrupted Spurs (they eventually ran out of gas after 60 minutes), then there was the the freak result against a demoralised Arsenal. Then Kevin Davies. There is no way he would be picked for England without the United connection, even with the current dearth of talent. Another way of looking at it is to consider where he would end up if he left United - probably a West Ham type level.
 
Stobzilla said:
What a load of shit.
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Yes, and with 3,700+ votes. The dark side is strong.

Ole's_toe_poke said:
His best performances came when he played a high energy, quick tempo passing game at the start of 11/12.

I wonder if that was just a flash in the pan or did that Kevin Davies tackle really take so much out of him.

He's become a much more ponderous player since then.
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He and Anderson had a psychic connection in midfield, but they rarely had the chance to play with each other. Yes, they often got carried away and left us bare on the counter, but they were a blast to watch offensively.

Cleverley seems like a different player now, but then so does half the team under Moyes.
 
Like banning him will help England win anything... The guy's having bad times under Moyes but seriously who hasn't these days.

Should Netherlands ban Van Persie ? Should Japan ban Kagawa ? Doesn't make sense.
 
Ekeke said:
Again, the key was his relationship with Welbeck. They linked up together well with some neat quick passing and flicks when Welbeck was up front. If Welbeck plays up front for England, maybe Cleverley can be decent in midfield. Maybe. But its not like even when he was playing his best football he was that brilliant. He was just a passer who was involved in far more offensive moves than he currently gets involved in.
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They do link well together but he's quite capable of linking up well with players who aren't Danny Welbeck. Nani's brilliant team goal against City being a case in point.
 
Van Piorsing said:
Like banning him will help England win anything... The guy's having bad times under Moyes but seriously who hasn't these days.

Should Netherlands ban Van Persie ? Should Japan ban Kagawa ? Doesn't make sense.
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The banning thing is ridiculous. But, let's face it, he is very average. It's like bigging up Macheda because of that goal against Villa in 2009 (although that was a pressure situation, not a pre-season friendly) or, if we want to delve deeper into the past, Russell Beardsmore for scoring a goal against Liverpool. He looks like a very limited player, and, at nearly 25, that's unlikely to change, however much we'd like him to turn into Paul Scholes.
 
MoskvaRed said:
The banning thing is ridiculous. But, let's face it, he is very average. It's like bigging up Macheda because of that goal against Villa in 2009 (although that was a pressure situation, not a pre-season friendly) or, if we want to delve deeper into the past, Russell Beardsmore for scoring a goal against Liverpool. He looks like a very limited player, and, at nearly 25, that's unlikely to change, however much we'd like him to turn into Paul Scholes.
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Those are terrible analogies. Cleverley has had a number of good games over the last two or three seasons. He's not being hyped on the basis of a single swing of his boot.
 
He's done alright for England under Hodgson. No surprise to see him make a squad of 30, but he'll need to show something soon or he has no chance of making it to Brazil. Henderson and Barkley will be given opportunities in the upcoming friendlies, and if they do ok or better than Cleverley will be at the bottom of the pecking order once again.
 
MoskvaRed said:
The banning thing is ridiculous. But, let's face it, he is very average. It's like bigging up Macheda because of that goal against Villa in 2009 (although that was a pressure situation, not a pre-season friendly) or, if we want to delve deeper into the past, Russell Beardsmore for scoring a goal against Liverpool. He looks like a very limited player, and, at nearly 25, that's unlikely to change, however much we'd like him to turn into Paul Scholes.
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Yes indeed, he appears to be very average in recent times and if Moyes will decide to buy two maybe even three midfielders that will be closer to world class mark then we may comfort the thought of finding Clev a team more suitable for him.

As for now, we don't have many options and just like you said he's nearly 25, maybe he will prove something while there's still some time to summer window... or maybe I'm just under the sentiment of a player being 'United product'.

The more matches he's playing under Moyes his time in United is coming to an end. Sad but true.
 
MoskvaRed said:
Those games have been incredibly over-hyped. Granted the second half of the Community Shield was good, but, at the end of the day, it's a pre-season friendly. We were competent against West Brom, poor at home against a heavily disrupted Spurs (they eventually ran out of gas after 60 minutes), then there was the the freak result against a demoralised Arsenal. Then Kevin Davies. There is no way he would be picked for England without the United connection, even with the current dearth of talent. Another way of looking at it is to consider where he would end up if he left United - probably a West Ham type level.
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Yeah I have said it many many times before; their play during that period is wildly exaggerated. And funnily enough, it only seems to be on here.

Cleverley has regressed badly in my opinion and he has gone into a perma-shell. I'm disappointed as he looked a relatively promising player at one stage. He certainly doesn't deserve the abuse that he gets, but I just don't see what he offers anymore. He is the type of player that will look good when the team is playing well and winning games with ease. It's when the chips are down and it's a dogfight, he goes into that shell of his and he isn't the type of player that we need during these periods.
 
Chabon said:
Last season he started 18 league games and was generally pretty good while we won most of the games he played. He scored a couple, set up a few more, and was overall a quality squad player.

He's fine. Not as good as we hoped but nowhere near as bad as is made out, often with a disturbing hint of glee, by many on this forum. At this stage I'm not really judging any player based on their performances in 2014. Moyes has killed this squad.
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Spot on.
 
Chabon said:
Last season he started 18 league games and was generally pretty good while we won most of the games he played. He scored a couple, set up a few more, and was overall a quality squad player.

He's fine. Not as good as we hoped but nowhere near as bad as is made out, often with a disturbing hint of glee, by many on this forum. At this stage I'm not really judging any player based on their performances in 2014. Moyes has killed this squad.
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No no no. We're going to pretend that Cleverley's never had a good game.

We all know that he's league 1 standard and there are about 150 CM's in the championship who are better than him and about 50 in league 1. In another 6 months he'll probably regress to conference standards.
 
akash02 said:
No no no. We're going to pretend that Cleverley's never had a good game.

We all know that he's league 1 standard and there are about 150 CM's in the championship who are better than him and about 50 in league 1. In another 6 months he'll probably regress to conference standards.
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Tom's getting the treatment that Fletcher got back in the day. Bit off really but it wasn't that long ago that he was touted as Scholes' replacement. He was playing well until that game at Bolton when Nolan (I think) crocked him and he's not been the same since.
 
Cleverley is a solid squad player if we decide to go for high pressing and possession oriented football. If we continue playing a low line with no press at all and we need our midfielders to be defensively solid over anything else - then he has to go as that is the opposite of him.
 
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