It's baffling that sone of the people saying he should start for England are also saying he's average.
Tom Cleverley | 2012-14 Performances
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That's an insult to Henderson. The gormless looking twat is twice the player of Cleverley.
He was much better than this. That is undeniable.
That's because they hate England.
To be fair, England's midfield is nothing more then average as well.
I have always said that Cleverley would not be a good addition to the England team. He would get bullied by all and sundry and we would be overrun.
Unfortunately I think Fletcher had/has a lot more to his game. Still think Clev is a good squad player, as ever the issue is only Carrick is good enough to be a regular at a big club, so without him we get even more exposed especially with the other attackers still generally not being at their best.
He was terrible today, I like Cleverly but I'm really starting to lose patience with him. He can no longer be considered potential and must start making his mark in the team. He has failed miserably this season, if he's trying to impress Moyes he's not doing a very good job.
He has the ability, I'm not sure what's went wrong, but something has. Maybe United is just to big for him.
He has the ability, I'm not sure what's went wrong, but something has. Maybe United is just to big for him.
To use one of Eamon Dunphy's favourite words, he has no 'guile'.
He was, but so was Ashley Young. Maybe (definitely in Young's case) those periods were just an exception.
I like Cleverley. But he's guilty of the worst kind of performances. He hides, and it's not on.
If you want a comparison to a Liverpool player, it would be Allen.
I think Cleverley is another Gibson. Decent player and would play well at a side like Everton, but for where United want to be he's not good enough.
Hasn't come on as much as he should.
He wouldn't get near the Everton side playing like such a cnut. I don't know if he's been told to stop playing football and stop looking for the ball, and instead try to be some kind of enforcer, but he's completely lost at the moment. He isn't playing 1-2's with anyone and is only making himself available occasionally when the defence has the ball.
Gibson had one redeeming feature, in that he could strike it well and score goals for us. I can't think of anything that Cleverley adds.
No, he wouldn't, but that's only because Everton have bought two good midfielders.
He seems to play without any real urgency nowadays. Completely changed over the last 12 months unfortunately.
I feel like I'm forever in this thread defending Cleverley but he was admittedly poor today 
He used to show himself for the ball constantly, get into good positions to receive it back immediately and have his arms outstretched demanding it back but today he was getting into poor positions where he couldn't get the ball back and was rarely showing for it at all. In the absence of Carrick you'd think he'd take his opportunity to shine but he was anonymous. He needs someone class beside him. didn't help that Fellaini was at least equally as poor (if not worse) felt like we had no midfield at all.
He used to show himself for the ball constantly, get into good positions to receive it back immediately and have his arms outstretched demanding it back but today he was getting into poor positions where he couldn't get the ball back and was rarely showing for it at all. In the absence of Carrick you'd think he'd take his opportunity to shine but he was anonymous. He needs someone class beside him. didn't help that Fellaini was at least equally as poor (if not worse) felt like we had no midfield at all.
I was lambasted in another thread earlier this week for even hinting that he could be an option to depart us. The likes of Henderson or Mark Noble are better than him I think. Was truly shocking today, and I was very baffled to read in Fergie's book that he believed Thiago was 'on par' with him and Welbeck.
I think we currently have a central midfield as bad as any in our entire Premier League era.
I think we currently have a central midfield as bad as any in our entire Premier League era.
Probably the worst I've seen him play... He timed that poorly.
I'm sorry to see that he's regressed so much. What happened to the quick, incisive passing midfielder we gave opportunities to, who got stuck into games and tried to influence things in the final third? He's become extremely negative and seems content to play it safe time and time again. He doesn't justify the early praise in his performances for us, and England for that matter. Putting him and Fellaini together makes for a stale, predictable midfield.
He's gone past the stage of potential and should be playing like a Man Utd first teamer. He looks a long way off that distinction these days and i'd be worried for his future here. He's not creating or scoring goals from midfield, or providing key passes, and that's just not good enough i'm afraid.
He's gone past the stage of potential and should be playing like a Man Utd first teamer. He looks a long way off that distinction these days and i'd be worried for his future here. He's not creating or scoring goals from midfield, or providing key passes, and that's just not good enough i'm afraid.
I think he's just simply playing at his real level.
Final third? The only time he got up there even when he was playing well was when he got involved in linkup play with Welbeck around the edge of the box. Even then it wasnt much final third action, he's not that kind of player to play the final pass or score lots of goals. The main difference is that he always played best when Welbeck was up front due to their combination play. He's never looked particularly good when we've used our other options instead of Welbeck up front
I'm pretty sure I've said this before but does anyone else get annoyed when he runs into a bit of space, waves like crazy to get the ball, gets it and then immediately shits himself and passes it back? It does not stretch the opposition when he does it. They don't have time to move towards him cos he passes it back instantly so the other player is back in the same position with Cleverley waving like crazy again.
He is much better in my opinion on the edge of the opposition box though. He's barely up there but when he is he's decent
He is much better in my opinion on the edge of the opposition box though. He's barely up there but when he is he's decent
Both were poor imo. It's splitting hairs over who was worse. I felt Fellaini showed himself more but then did nothing of note when in possession, giving the ball away frequently and passing negatively (backwards), but then I also felt Cleverley didn't show himself enough and was far too anonymous for a CM. Neither come out with many plaudits. I am usually a bit of a Cleverley fan but I didn't praise him in my previous post. I can admit when he is poor.
Not only was it a poor performance today but a bewildering one too as he made so little effort to get on the ball and try to control the tempo of the match. He and Fellaini were miles below an acceptable level for a United midfield, both guilty of conceding stupid freekicks, barely a creative pass between them.
I think he has the potential to be a reasonable player but his form over the last 12 months doesn't merit a starting place in the side.
I think he has the potential to be a reasonable player but his form over the last 12 months doesn't merit a starting place in the side.
He's of average ability, that is all.
Shouldn't be near a United starting position.
Shouldn't be near a United starting position.
He is really average, and should have come off instead of Januzaj. We had no control of the game anyway at that point and were relying on set pieces.
On the edge of their box doing what? He'll just play another high percentage pass like he does everywhere else on the pitch. He isnt, wasnt and never will be someone to unlock a tight defence or create space for a shot and put it into the back of the net regularly
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He really is becoming utterly pointless. At first he looked like he could develop into a really good midfielder, then it turned out he doesn't have a clue where to stand defensively, then it turned out he doesn't score any goals or create anything and now he's not even doing the things he was good at, especially moving the ball quickly and accurately. We needed 2 midfielders in the summer and we still need 2 of real quality.
Sounds about right, if a bit harsh (I actually find him decent defensively most of the time, but lacking offensively, which is weird considering where he used to play on the pitch). Seems we bought a squad player in Fellaini for 27,5m and Cleverley looks to be not more than that, so yeah.
He's definitely out of form, or losing a sense of direction. He's not anywhere near the player who burst onto the scene a couple of season ago.
When he first broke into the first XI, he was always making himself available for the ball and passing and moving quite well.
Now he just looks bereft of any confidence and shirks any midfield responsibility.
Now he just looks bereft of any confidence and shirks any midfield responsibility.
Cleverley was at Utd since the age of 12 or something and Fergie loved nothing more than seeing the home growns make the grade......One would have to wonder if Fergie gave priority to Tom over Pogba to see what he was made of seem as he was a home grown......I looked up the word 'average' in the dictionary today and next to the word was a picture of Cleverley
Yeah, this is the most notable difference for me. He was doing it last season and when he was regularly starting England games.
So often today he just gave the ball and actually wandered towards a Cardiff player, thereby actually making himself unavailable for a pass. He really is beginning to irritate me now after he started to show some real promise in the equivalent period last season.
If he cannot nail down a place in the weakest United engine room since 2005 then he never will.
If he cannot nail down a place in the weakest United engine room since 2005 then he never will.
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