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I'd like to see Jones-Cleverly in the middle more often.
That's an unnessecary dig at Cleverley. He is a fine footballer and keeping the ball is a real strength of his. To say that he is half the player is very harsh and in my opinion, is hard to judge as they are completely different players.The drop off in midfield was fairly dramatic in the second half. Not only in our ball retention but also in our ability to press. I guess it's not Cleverley's fault that he's not half the player that Jones is - pity for him that the two halves made it so obvious.
The drop off in midfield was fairly dramatic in the second half. Not only in our ball retention but also in our ability to press. I guess it's not Cleverley's fault that he's not half the player that Jones is - pity for him that the two halves made it so obvious.
The drop off in midfield was fairly dramatic in the second half. Not only in our ball retention but also in our ability to press. I guess it's not Cleverley's fault that he's not half the player that Jones is - pity for him that the two halves made it so obvious.
What does he have in his locker? To me he seems a tidy all rounder who excels at pretty much nothing.Currently Cleverley is a very tidy player who's got a fair bit in his locker. His ball retention is good, but he's not the kind of player like Jones.
Cleverley is definitely a good player who tons of ability, who will no doubt grow into the role of a great CM. He's only going to improve with time.
Sadly, you could see the drop off in midfield when Jones came off. Arsenal had tons more room in the middle and it was obvious that Jones was simply covering more ground than Cleverley.
Combined, they're good , and with practice could develop into a real strong pairing. Add Kagawa to trio like that and it could turn into something good.
(Some might not agree obviously, but I feel we need to play with 3 in the middle nowadays).
What does he have in his locker? To me he seems a tidy all rounder who excels at pretty much nothing.
At what? Not to be a smart-arse or anything, but I can't really think of many things he has great ability at. Not remotely creative, decent excel defensively, decent shot, never dribbles, tidy passer but very cautious. Whether he has the ability or not, he certainly doesn't show it.I meant it as in that while he's a tidy player, he does have ability, and a fair bit of it. He's doesn't excel at much, but I think he's got great positional awareness.
At what? Not to be a smart-arse or anything, but I can't really think of many things he has great ability at. Not remotely creative, decent excel defensively, decent shot, never dribbles, tidy passer but very cautious. Whether he has the ability or not, he certainly doesn't show it.
What does he have in his locker? To me he seems a tidy all rounder who excels at pretty much nothing.
I'd love if he did succeed, and I guess he is be default, because of the lack of quality in our midfield. it's not like he puts in bad performances for us, he just never puts in really good ones. He'll be totally on the fringes if we do sort the midfield out, and we will, eventually.His defensive ability for starters is an ability to be noted. He's a sensible tackler, he's positionally aware, and has the potential to protect the back 4 very well.
I probably should have said something else for my posts, as I agree, he hasn't got any top class ability. I just want to see him succeed and can be a little biased.
His defensive ability for starters is an ability to be noted. He's a sensible tackler, he's positionally aware, and has the potential to protect the back 4 very well.
I probably should have said something else for my posts, as I agree, he hasn't got any top class ability. I just want to see him succeed and can be a little biased.
So you'd agree that currently at least, he doesn't excel at any of these?
Completely agree. He isn't that good at anything (except passing the ball to Carrick and to CB), while at times he is okay at most of the things. Hopefully he'll become a good squad player (which at the moment he isn't IMO) but that's the upper bound of my expectations to him. If he doesn't improve (especially at his creativity), I think that he'll be in a difficult position when we finally improve our midfield.At what? Not to be a smart-arse or anything, but I can't really think of many things he has great ability at. Not remotely creative, decent excel defensively, decent shot, never dribbles, tidy passer but very cautious. Whether he has the ability or not, he certainly doesn't show it.
Surely not serious?Hopefully he'll become a good squad player (which at the moment he isn't IMO) but that's the upper bound of my expectations to him.
Dont waste your time, seriously....Surely not serious?
Can you define what a good squad player is in your eyes?
Cleverley cost the club nothing, doesn't pick up a massive wage, can be a starter, proved that last season in a championship winning team playing 30+ games. He is a great player to have in the squad, I'm really interested to see your reasoning as to why he isn't a good squad player at the moment...
Surely not serious?
Can you define what a good squad player is in your eyes?
Cleverley cost the club nothing, doesn't pick up a massive wage, can be a starter, proved that last season in a championship winning team playing 30+ games. He is a great player to have in the squad, I'm really interested to see your reasoning as to why he isn't a good squad player at the moment...
The general case is that a squad playe shouldn't be far off in quality from the other players who play there, but I think that our midfield is an exception. A lot of midfielders from EPL could do that for us. Heck, I believe that the majority here agree that Cabaye is a better player than him, and even him isn't that grea and I doubt he could make the bench of the teams I mentioned.So if O'shea or Welbeck were released, you think Barca would snap them up? How does Cleverley not being good enough for Barca or Madrid make him a poor squad player at United?
Where you mention the first list of players being good squad players and then able to come in and not let the quality drop. In the next parargraph you say that our quality doesn't drop when Cleverley comes in.
To me and many here, you just have a think against Cleverley, that's fine people have players they rate and don't rate but I'm sorry to say, your reasoning just doesn't add up.
Cleverley isn't a world class player, no way but a squad doesn't need to be full of world class players. Players like Cleverley are crucial to squads over the length of a season.
The general case is that a squad playe shouldn't be far off in quality from the other players who play there, but I think that our midfield is an exception. A lot of midfielders from EPL could do that for us. Heck, I believe that the majority here agree that Cabaye is a better player than him, and even him isn't that grea and I doubt he could make the bench of the teams I mentioned.
I believe that if we want to compete with the best teams we should have players of similar quality to them and at the moment he isn't. Will he become or not is something different.
Him and Welbeck have different treatments here. Lynk has been crucified in Welbeck thread for writting harsh truth. If Ando would have played as bad as Cleverley against Stoke, I'll bet that half of Caf would have asked for his head.
Seriously? All you have to throw at him is one game on his return from injury where he looked a bit off the pace? He's been playing well before that and looked really really good in the game against Sunderland before he was injured. Some perspective is necessary.
He might not be world class and flashy, but I believe he will be a good little player for us over his career. Give him chance too because he isn't the finished article yet.
Disastrous performance. He'd have to do something truly marvelous to salvage this display.
Don't know what Fergie ever saw in him to be honest. One great display alongside Anderson against City in the charity shield is the best highlight I can think of.