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There is absolutely no help defensively from the midfield. One is a playmaker and the other is an attacking mid.

Both Cleverley and Wilshere arent afraid to put the foot in. A bit lightweight but they could play as a 2. People are obsessed with having holding midfielders. Whats wrong with playing midfielders who can both attack and defend?
 
Both Cleverley and Wilshere arent afraid to put the foot in. A bit lightweight but they could play as a 2. People are obsessed with having holding midfielders. Whats wrong with playing midfielders who can both attack and defend?

That is the holy grail. It's very rare you find players competent enough in both areas, which is why most managers prefer specialists.

I agree with you though, Banega and Sahin spring to mind as the best 2 about at present imo.
 
I have only watched Cleverley play two matches so far (Barcelona and City), but I can already conclude he is exactly what we need.
 
Both Cleverley and Wilshere arent afraid to put the foot in. A bit lightweight but they could play as a 2. People are obsessed with having holding midfielders. Whats wrong with playing midfielders who can both attack and defend?

England's biggest failure is not finding a suitable holding player. For almost every successful international team in the last few years, the holding midfielder has been essential. Frings, Senna, Aurelio and Semak in the Euros were absolutely key to their teams, and then in the WC it became common for teams to even have two in the case of Alonso-Busquets, Van Bommel-De Jong, Arevalo-Perez, Caceres-Riveros, Melo-Gilberto...the list goes on. England have tried the 'two players who can attack and defend' theory with Gerrard-Lampard and it hasn't worked too well.
 
England's biggest failure is not finding a suitable holding player. For almost every successful international team in the last few years, the holding midfielder has been essential. Frings, Senna, Aurelio and Semak in the Euros were absolutely key to their teams, and then in the WC it became common for teams to even have two in the case of Alonso-Busquets, Van Bommel-De Jong, Arevalo-Perez, Caceres-Riveros, Melo-Gilberto...the list goes on. England have tried the 'two players who can attack and defend' theory with Gerrard-Lampard and it hasn't worked too well.

None of them have the working brain and the humbleness to work for the team. They're just a selfish star in the middle waiting to score goals, making assists, and beautiful play without really care about putting their weight.
 
England's biggest failure is not finding a suitable holding player. For almost every successful international team in the last few years, the holding midfielder has been essential. Frings, Senna, Aurelio and Semak in the Euros were absolutely key to their teams, and then in the WC it became common for teams to even have two in the case of Alonso-Busquets, Van Bommel-De Jong, Arevalo-Perez, Caceres-Riveros, Melo-Gilberto...the list goes on. England have tried the 'two players who can attack and defend' theory with Gerrard-Lampard and it hasn't worked too well.

Maybe thats cos those two cant really attack and defend. Gerrard is clearly a better tackler than Lampard but also less disciplined tactically. Their partnership was always doomed to fail Ince & Keane they were not.

If you have two world class box to box midfielders it wont harm you going 442. However, England haven't had two box to box midfielders for sometime. 2 attacking midfielders does not a Robbo make. Not saying Cleverley is the new Robson but I'd love him to turn out to be.
 
I'd disagree about the need for a holding midfielder. I think you just need players who hold onto the ball. Gerrard, Lampard, Barry - they just get rid of it as soon as possible.

The new lads in the middle call for the ball, track back and actually keep the ball playing on the ground. Unfortunately, the Golden generation was only called that because they were the first group of "Hollywood", glamor players. It had little to do with skill and everything to do with presence in the media.

The next batch, at least currently, are more humble. The reasoning, in my mind, is the past generation grew up at the Premier League exploded with all the millions. They were the first generation to command multi-million pound deals whilst teenagers/early 20s, which was unheard of. Whereas, this generation has the same power, they grew up knowing that would happen and thus weren't so changed by it.

It's like winning the lottery vs. getting it from daddy. One shocks the system, the other is expected. One is life changing, the other is "of course it was going to be that way".
 
There are talented players - and then there's Tom Cleverley... He's got it all says S

Tom Cleverley called up to England squad | Mail Online

Standing outside Wembley in bomber jacket, torn jeans and white trainers, Tom Cleverley looked like any other Manchester United fan before last May’s Champions League final. Just another twentysomething with high hopes for his team on a big night.

Fast forward just two-and-a-half months and things have changed for a young midfielder who has taken the scenic route on his way to the United first-team squad.

Two days ago, Cleverley played a significant role in United’s FA Community Shield defeat of Manchester City. On Wednesday he will be at Wembley again, this time with Fabio Capello’s England squad.

Rather quickly now, 21-year-old Cleverley’s boxes are being ticked.On his Facebook page, Cleverley states that he hopes to ‘break into the Manchester United first team and go on to represent my country’. Time for a status update.

Those who know Cleverley are not surprised by the manner of his emergence at Old Trafford.

Former United reserve team coach Ole Gunnar Solskjaer describes Cleverley as a ‘top-quality player and a top-quality human being’. United defender Patrice Evra, meanwhile, believes his young team-mate to be an emerging replacement for Paul Scholes.

Evra said: ‘He’s a fantastic player, I hope this season he will get a lot of opportunities.

‘In America on tour he played some amazing games, particularly against Barcelona in our last game.

‘In the second half against City you saw that he is not afraid and Manchester United need players like this. He’s a quiet lad, he’s a bit like Scholesy in that way. He never talks much, he just does his job on the pitch. He’s a very private guy. But to bring players through is what we do here. Players like him are the future.
From fan to star: Cleverley before the Champions League final

From fan to star: Cleverley before the Champions League final

‘He knows he can help us to win more titles. That’s the Man United way. It’s always been like that.’

Some young footballers announce themselves in spectacular ways. Think Federico Macheda and his Old Trafford winner against Aston Villa at the age of 17 in 2009.

Others, however, take a different journey and Cleverley’s has taken him to Watford, Leicester and Wigan on loan. His ability has never been questioned, however, only his size.

Cleverley was almost released by United in his late teens. Only the enduring belief of Solskjaer and Under 18 coach Paul McGuinness prevented him being lost to the club.

‘He has developed slowly from a physical point of view,’ said United manager Sir Alex Ferguson. ‘But he has always been wily. He has always had a great understanding of the game.’

Speak to managers who have worked with Cleverley — such as Nigel Pearson and Malky Mackay — and they all speak of the young player’s attitude, professionalism and adaptability. These qualities were in place from an early age.

Neil Cuthbert was coach of the Eccleshill United boys team in Bradford when seven-year-old Cleverley was brought along by his parents in the mid-1990s. He remains close to the family.

Cuthbert said: ‘He came to an open training session. He was seven. At that age kids’ attention can wander. They don’t always focus and concentrate for a whole session. But Tom was different. He would stand at the front of the group with this hunger in the eyes. I would tell him something once and that would be it. He would do it.

‘His dad would tell me that at home he couldn’t get him in the house. He was always out the back doing little drills that I had set for him.

‘His desire was amazing, so was his ability to take things in. He played for our Under 9 team when he was seven but he never feared anything, even though he was small.

‘Tom was obsessed with football and still is. His attitude has never changed and I don’t think it will.

‘His idol was always David Beckham and I understand that. Just like Beckham, Tom will always want to improve and will never think he knows everything. He will never be a big-time Charlie.
Star: Cleverley (left) impressed during the Community Shield at Wembley

Star: Cleverley (left) impressed during the Community Shield at Wembley

‘The only time Tom will think he has made it is when he stops playing and can look back.’

One nod to Cleverley’s recent progress is the photo, now on his Facebook page, of him in the Wembley dressing room with the Community Shield.

Other than that, though, his page is unremarkable. No photos of wild nights out or anything to hint at brashness.

As Solskjaer, now manager at FC Molde in Norway, said: ‘He is the type of player you want in every squad.

‘There are talented players and then players like Tom who have everything.
Tom is a class act as a person and a great player to have in a group.’

As United continue their efforts to sign Inter Milan’s Wesley Sneijder and await the return from illness of Darren Fletcher, Cleverley will no doubt find that a place in Ferguson’s first team will be hard to come by over the coming months.

Regarding England, it is to be hoped that his call-up to Capello’s squad results in something tangible against Holland.

Asked by a guy in a Manchester snooker hall not too long ago if he fancied playing for his pool team, Cleverley answered rather bashfully: ‘I tend to be busy on week nights.’

There doesn’t appear to be any likelihood of that changing anytime soon.
 
Well if you are getting raped for so long, then you do something to try and change that situation. You don't just lie down, ignore everything and keep getting killed all the time.

i just believe a team with wilshere-cleverley in midfield got potential and could be a very good one, just my opinion, and i don't see much difference between your team and my team apart from carrick/huddlestone in for welbeck.

i agree that a defensive midfielder might be needed if england are playing spain or brazil where rooney will need to play as a centre forward. anyway i just like to see that team being given a chance to play, just to see how they can cope for a start.
 
He's getting so much media attention today.
 
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Could have potential for you English lads.
 
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Could have potential for you English lads.

Nah.

Winger Cleverley Wilshere Winger
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More like it.
 
Cleverley steps in to Scholes' shoes to prove that size isn't everything
After three years out on loan, a glittering Old Trafford future beckons for young but diminutive midfielder. Ian Herbert reports

Tuesday, 9 August 2011S
Cleverley completed an excellent pre-season with a fine display against Manchester City



The X Factor star Olly Murs has been a Manchester United fan all his life but wasn't the first individual to have made the mistake of overlooking Tom Cleverley at the weekend.

Murs provided the verdict on Sir Alex Ferguson's players for the Community Shield match programme for which Cleverley was sidelined among a subsidiary list of players headlined "The Rest".

That is precisely the place where Cleverley seems to have been for much of his United life. Scouts and coaches have considered his diminutive stature – he is 5ft 9in – to be an impediment and United's doubts were never more evident than six years ago when Cleverley was asked to split his time between the club and two more years of school, while other United Academy scholars went into full-time training. "I was never knocked back but I'd say I was doubted," Cleverley later reflected. "I've never really had it easy in my career. Compared to everyone else in the team I was really small. It was hard."

Yesterday, four days short of his 22nd birthday, Cleverley could reflect that perhaps he has been seen, after a stellar second-half display in United's Community Shield comeback prompted a late call-up by Fabio Capello for the England squad to face the Netherlands tomorrow. United are expected to begin discussions soon which may lead to a new five-year deal and an improved £40,000-a-week salary.

Though Ferguson is understood to be leaning towards the view that Paul Scholes' successor was there all along – his own messianic desire to build a last young side before he leaves, strengthens Cleverley's appeal – the 21-year-old's long and winding journey to recognition at Old Trafford has rendered him a stranger to the place in recent years, out on loan at Leicester City, Watford and Wigan Athletic. Finding his right starting position has been part of the trouble: a year before his release to Leicester he was a fairly ordinary left-back whom United were close to releasing. His switch to midfield at that stage appears to have saved him from obscurity.

These travails have engendered a worldliness, where once there might have been a fresh face. Still flushed with exertions of a superb and integral midfield display in United's pre-season win over Barcelona in Washington nine days ago, Cleverley was asked if appearing opposite Andres Iniesta had been beyond his wildest dreams. "It's what you strive for," he said, knowingly. "If you've got targets why not achieve them?"

More proactive in Washington and at Wembley than Michael Carrick, though of course vastly less proven than Wesley Sneijder, whom Ferguson has not given up on, he is one of the few Manchester United players to have taken delight in the success of the likes of Xavi, Iniesta and Lionel Messi. He has always seen them as torchbearers for those players who stand no more than 5ft 7in.

Cleverley, who was born in Yorkshire and chose United ahead of Leeds and Blackburn at the age of 11, has certainly had some growing up to do. His father, Andrew, presented him with a compilation DVD for his 21st birthday last August and some footage reveals a figure dwarfed by his team-mates in the United U-15s, celebrating as he scores on a remote, dusty pitch in Kenya in 2004.

Football is there in his genes – his great uncle, Reg Stratton, played alongside Johnny Haynes at Fulham – but he also has an outlook which enables him to view with equanimity his shortcomings. Cleverley made David Beckham a role-model early on because he observed how he flourished without pace, too. "I try to get a bit of Beckham, a bit of Scholes and people have mentioned Park Ji-sung and his work-rate in midfield," he said recently. He has needed to grab his brief United chances, usually on pre-season tour, before heading off again on a loan spell. Handed a first-team outing in South Africa three summers back, Cleverley scored against Kaizer Chiefs. He repeated the feat against Valencia the following year and his two goals on last summer's tour of North America included a memorable strike in the Houston Astrodome.

But it was the symbolism of a diminutive, quick-footed United midfielder playing Barcelona at their own game at the FedEx Field which really struck some of United's regulars last week, and Patrice Evra's discussion of Cleverley yesterday provided an intriguing clue that United's coaching staff have perhaps been working on tiki-taka since the demoralising Champions League final defeat to Barcelona.

"The staff have done well in pre-season," said Evra. "We don't aim to play like Barcelona, we just want to be Manchester United. But sometimes if you can play one touch and score a goal like that, then why not? In America, Cleverley played some amazing games, particularly against Barcelona. In the second half [against City] you saw that he is not afraid, he had a lot of energy and Man United need a player like this. He's a quiet lad, he's a bit like Scholesy in that way. He never talks much. He just does his job on the pitch. He's a very private guy."

Cleverley has some of the trappings of fame but his demeanour is of one who has not yet reached celebrity status. At Wigan, staff marvelled at his willingness to help promote the club. Cleverley took two or three months to get established but became an important contributor, stationed on the left side, cutting in.

Those years on loan have made initiation ceremonies a familiar part of Cleverley's early August routine: at each of his three loan clubs he clambered on to a chair to perform the Bill Withers classic Ain't No Sunshine. The title seems as fitting as his own reflections on the United introductory ritual he endured three years ago in Pretoria, where he had to give a short speech before Ryan Giggs put him through a public Q and A. "It is daunting and that's why they do these things," he explained. "It's not easy to stand up in front of all those names

Cleverley steps in to Scholes' shoes to prove that size isn't everything - Premier League, Football - The Independent
 
Giving this thread a little bump since the other one with the stupid name referencing Sneijder has been bumped too. Best to keep all the Cleverley discussion in an appropriately titled thread I think.

Nice piece from the Telegraph: England v Holland: Manchester United's Tom Cleverley driven by burning desire to reach the top - Telegraph

England v Holland: Manchester United's Tom Cleverley driven by burning desire to reach the top
Yaya Toure is not the first to discover that Tom Cleverley does not give up easily.

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On the up: Tom Cleverley considered the natural heir to Paul Scholes Photo: PA By Rory Smith
7:00AM BST 09 Aug 2011

As the good-natured Manchester City midfielder endured the frustration of another lost ball, another tackle, another missed opportunity to staunch the flow of Manchester United attacks during Sunday’s painful Community Shield defeat, all he could do was turn to his 21-year-old tormentor and plead with him, half-jokingly: “Please, just leave me alone.”

Cleverley would not be where he is today, though, if he was not possessed of a ferocious appetite for success, a remarkable desire to succeed at any cost.

Today, he is the heir to Paul Scholes at Old Trafford, likely to be rewarded for a fine pre-season with a new, five-year, £40,000-a-week contract in the coming weeks, the boy anointed as the player to save Sir Alex Ferguson the £35 million needed to sign Wesley Sneijder.

He has emerged as England’s next next big thing, called in to Fabio Capello’s squad, expected to make his debut against Holland on Wednesday, most likely as a substitute.

But Cleverley, by his own admission, has “never really had things easy” in his career. His has been a long road. He has reached this far only because of a stubborn refusal to countenance failure.

Unlike Jack Wilshere or Danny Welbeck, Cleverley has already played for four clubs. He has featured in three divisions. He might not even have managed that, had the assessments of his abilities as a 16-year-old been heeded.

Then, he was an industrious but unremarkable left-back. When his scholarship at United’s Academy expired, he was handed a one-year contract but advised to continue attending school as he trained. The message was clear: the jury was still out.

That was, if anything, down to his size. At 5’ 9”, Cleverley does not fit the modern prototype of footballer as super-athlete.

He has the speed of a sprinter, but perhaps not the strength of a wrestler. He did not fit the mould. He was not disheartened. “I was never knocked back,” he later admitted, “but I was doubted.”

Not for long. A switch to midfield under Ole Gunnar Solskjaer helped him to blossom, and a loan to Leicester City in January 2009 helped him to mature. It was at Watford, the following year, though, that Cleverley began to shine.

“We had done our homework, so we knew what type of boy we were getting,” says his manager at Vicarage Road, Malky Mackay, now at Cardiff.

“Determined, single-minded, and focused on being as good as he could be. We sent United a dossier every month detailing his progress. I always got the impression there was a plan for Tom.”

It worked to perfection: better, even, than may have been hoped. “I set him a few targets,” reveals Mackay. “I wanted him to score 10 goals, be one of our better players, stand out in the league.

By the end, he had 11, had won our Player of the Year award and was in the under-21 squad and then, after a couple of training sessions, the team.”

Cleverley returned to Manchester, but still the doubts lingered. A new, long-term contract only surfaced after an impressive pre-season tour of the USA.

Then Wigan – where Roberto Martinez, the club’s manager, tipped him, presciently, as an England star in the making – and cutting his teeth in the Premier League.

Again, he returned. Again, he attempted to make himself indispensable to Ferguson. He is nothing if not persistent.

“It is determination that marks out the sportsmen who succeed,” says Cleverley’s agent, Simon Kennedy, who has carefully moulded his career thus far.

“You need incredible mental toughness. Tom has that. In a way, he is Sir Alex’s perfect player: he loves playing, which is not always the case, he believes in his own ability but he is a little introverted, so he is not arrogant. Just self-confident.”

True, there are the trappings of fame – the city centre flat, the 60in plasma screen, the red-and-black pool table – but though Cleverley cites David Beckham as an idol, he is cut from another mould; given the timing of his emergence, a more relevant one.

“He is a quiet lad, a bit like Scholes in that way,” says Patrice Evra. “He never talks much, just does his job on the pitch. He is a very private guy.

“Players like him are the future for Manchester United. In order to win the league, the manager is not afraid to give young players a chance. I hope this season Tom gets a lot of opportunities.”

His display on Sunday, the one that so troubled Toure and the rest of Manchester City’s exalted talents, will have done nothing to harm that.

Cleverley touched the ball 23 times at Wembley. 17 of those he released the ball first-time, most notably for Nani’s first goal.

“We don’t aim to play like Barcelona all the time,” says Evra. “We just want to be Manchester United.”

Cleverley, it seems, at last, will fit right in.
 
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Could have potential for you English lads.
If I was England I would consider going with something like that now with an eye on 2014

Let's face it Barry is average, gerrard and lampard are in decline and who else is there

Wilshere and Cleverley are going to be fantastic complete midfield players for me
 
Just seen Cleverley's status on facebook in response to the England game getting called off. I feel for the guy. Looks like he was really up for the Holland game.
 
Cleverley touched the ball 23 times at Wembley. 17 of those he released the ball first-time, most notably for Nani’s first goal.
I do like that quick simple passing from him in the middle, just opens up so many options for others.
 
I think I might get Cleverley #35 on the back this season. I really like his style of play, he's young, English and local.
 
I do like that quick simple passing from him in the middle, just opens up so many options for others.

I hadn't even realised just how good a one and two touch passer he is until I actually watched the whole match again(with the emotion removed). I also can certainly see where people are coming from with the somewhat premature comparisons to Iniesta.

He does look to have a very similar way of constantly passing and moving at angles to receive and create space, and although at this stage they are very different players in terms of overall style I can see how Tom might actually begin to model himself on both the best of him and Scholes.

The fact that they can also both play left wing isn't lost on me either.
 
I remember the days when you needed to perform consistently over a long period before you got this kind of hype. Where was all the Cleverley love in the media when he was playing for Wigan last season? A lot of people are getting very carried away.
 
I remember the days when you needed to perform consistently over a long period before you got this kind of hype. Where was all the Cleverley love in the media when he was playing for Wigan last season? A lot of people are getting very carried away.

Check my posts. I've had Cleverley love for a long time. :p
 
I think he should!ve got the 18 shirt tbh
 
I remember the days when you needed to perform consistently over a long period before you got this kind of hype. Where was all the Cleverley love in the media when he was playing for Wigan last season? A lot of people are getting very carried away.

This.

People need to have some perspective here. A good start but essentially he has performed in a few pre-season friendlies, he still has a lomg, long way to go. Whats more, he was never that highly regarded in the youth ranks. He hasnt shown anything so far to suggest that he will take up Scholesy's mantle and dictate games on a consistent basis.

His attitude has been spot on but I think he will need more than just the attitude to replace Scholes. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see him take up the challenge and succeed, as that is what Man United are all about, but I just cant see this superstar in him yet...
 
He played well, alright, but the hype is really getting overblown of late .. All of a sudden he's the next best thing since bread came sliced...
I hope Ferguson sits him down, has a chat, and he keeps his feet on the ground.
 
As much as they overhype him now, they will slate him whenever his form is not excellent.

He seems to be promising, yes, but its still a long way
 
This.

People need to have some perspective here. A good start but essentially he has performed in a few pre-season friendlies, he still has a lomg, long way to go. Whats more, he was never that highly regarded in the youth ranks. He hasnt shown anything so far to suggest that he will take up Scholesy's mantle and dictate games on a consistent basis.

His attitude has been spot on but I think he will need more than just the attitude to replace Scholes. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see him take up the challenge and succeed, as that is what Man United are all about, but I just cant see this superstar in him yet...

Chicharito couldn't get into the Chivas team a couple of years ago and almost quit football for business school so what...? There were doubts about Scholesy himself because he'ssmall and has ashtma. Just because a player isn't hailed as a teenage god doesn't mean they won't be the business at senior level. Indeed, many teenage gods have fallen fast to earth when they were expected to perform at the highest levels the transfer forum is literred with the names of FM legends. Tom Cleverley has all the gifts and he allies that to a work ethic thats remiscient of the good old days of the mid-90s. He will be a rip roaring success mark my words.
 
With Cleverley - while there maybe a bit of overreaction on his performances so far, it may not be as extreme as some think it to be. Yes, we should be cautious not to get too excited but, where is the fun in that?

There are times you witness the trigger of a young player that hasn't yet put it together to when they finally do. I think we we are in the midst of witnessing just that. The point where Cleverley went from the still up and coming play at Wigan last season to a player that seems to have taken the next step up.

At Wigan he wasn't outstanding but, there were signs. Martinez that saw him daily certainly talked him up as one to watch. I really didn't think he'd take to the CM position as quickly as he has. Watching him on the wing, I thought (and am sure others did) that yeah maybe he can play CM, maybe more of an attacking CM but, no clue he could play more defensively which requires positional sense and discipline.

Even the likes of people that have said Cleverley will be a star, I don't think really envisioned him being able to play quick one touch football or just simple calm coupled with the movement he's shown so far in CM. Maybe being played in this new role and playing with better players around him is all that was needed for that side of his game to come out. Whatever it is, it's great to watch.

There will be moments/games where his inexperience will let him down and I do hope people don't get all smug about it saying see, it was all hype. It will be inevitable that he has bad days but, hopefully people won't turn on him the instant it happens.
 
Chicharito couldn't get into the Chivas team a couple of years ago and almost quit football for business school so what...? There doubts about Scholesy himself because he was small and has ashtma. Just because a player isn't hailed as a teenage god doesn't mean they won't be the business at senior level. Indeed, many teenage gods have fallen fast to earth when they were expected to perform at the highest levels the transfer forum is literred with the names of FM legends. Tom Cleverley has all the gifts and he allies that to a work ethic thats remiscient of the good old days of the mid-90s. He will be a rip roaring success mark my words.

The difference between Scholes and Cleverley was that there were no doubts over Scholsey's immense talent, only his physical attributes. Many reserve watchers of the 90s had been raving over Scholes. Cleverley on the other hand, was plodding along at LB and never looked nothing more than tidy in midfield, I'll give you an example: When Utd played in that Malaysian Youth tournament a few years ago, the undoubted stars of a relatively ordinary utd team were Michael Barnes and Febian Brandy. In midfield were Sam Hewson and Danny Drinkwater both of whom haven't exactly set the world alight. Cleverley was a pretty regulation-level LB, meanwhile...

Even at reserve level, he wasn't anything more than tidy. Coincidentally, David Jones, who Wigan have signed, I'm assuming as Clev's replacement, looked like the bastard child of Scholes when he was captaining the Reserves. If Jones had grown significantly, I reckon he would still be at the club, I reckon.

Cleverley hasnt shown anything out of the ordinary throughout his career, outside of his excellent tactical movment, I have no doubts he'll make it but he wont be a superstar or a mainstay, if there is one player you could compare him to, its Gary Neville. Not the most talented but is getting to where he is through sheer dedication and sacrifice...
 
If I was England I would consider going with something like that now with an eye on 2014

Let's face it Barry is average, gerrard and lampard are in decline and who else is there

Wilshere and Cleverley are going to be fantastic complete midfield players for me

Unfortunately a midfield containing two of those looked unremarkable in the under 21's this summer. International level is a big step.

I agree that the likes of Cleverly should be in and around the squad, and personally I would take mostly young lads with a core of 8-10 senior players to help them bed in.
 
With Cleverley - while there maybe a bit of overreaction on his performances so far, it may not be as extreme as some think it to be. Yes, we should be cautious not to get too excited but, where is the fun in that?

There are times you witness the trigger of a young player that hasn't yet put it together to when they finally do. I think we we are in the midst of witnessing just that. The point where Cleverley went from the still up and coming play at Wigan last season to a player that seems to have taken the next step up.

At Wigan he wasn't outstanding but, there were signs. Martinez that saw him daily certainly talked him up as one to watch. I really didn't think he'd take to the CM position as quickly as he has. Watching him on the wing, I thought (and am sure others did) that yeah maybe he can play CM, maybe more of an attacking CM but, no clue he could play more defensively which requires positional sense and discipline.

Even the likes of people that have said Cleverley will be a star, I don't think really envisioned him being able to play quick one touch football or just simple calm coupled with the movement he's shown so far in CM. Maybe being played in this new role and playing with better players around him is all that was needed for that side of his game to come out. Whatever it is, it's great to watch.

There will be moments/games where his inexperience will let him down and I do hope people don't get all smug about it saying see, it was all hype. It will be inevitable that he has bad days but, hopefully people won't turn on him the instant it happens.

I agree.

The lad clearly has potential - and certainly appears to have the chance to be a top player, but suggesting he's a suitable repalcement for Scholes at this stage is ludicrous.

A good pre season doesn't make a player a star and the lad himself clearly recognises that.

Hopefully people will keep calm and give him chance to develop without too much expectation, but the proliferation of articles proclaiming him United's next midfield star suggests that may not be the case.
 
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