I don't think Davies tackle was particularly dangerous myself, although I do think he went in there with the intent to, you know, 'rough him up a bit'. I'm sure he meant to get the ball, but then only to save himself from giving a foul away. He meant to give him a kick just as much as he went to win the ball back for his team. 'Shocking' tackle it was not, though.
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Of course he didn't mean to foul him? How can you be so sure?
I'll admit I can't be sure, but the fact he went through him from behind doesn't make it reasonable to think he meant to foul him?
Watching it in slow-mo can be deceiving, just like with everything.
You can seem from the replay what he was trying to do, as has been explained over and over..
He didn't go through him from behind! What bloody replay are watching?
This is painful...
Yep. My view exactly.
He did what alot of footballers do, hit em' hard early and let em' know you're there.
It wasn't a knee high studs up challenge, just an unnessessarily hard challenge that Cleverley was then unlucky to twist his ankle in. Davies shouldn't have done it but the severeity of the injury wasn't intended.
Ignore the slo-mo of Davies' 'tackle'. He must have been going full pelt before Cleverley even receives the ball, he may not have been trying to injure Cleverley but he certainly wanted to leave his mark.
The trouble is when you mouth off saying you're going to be going in tough and you make a bad tackle (tackle from behind with the ball already gone!) you deserve a minimum of a card. On the continent he might have been sent off for that!
That's why Pierluigi Collina was such a great ref. He was always aware of the inner game. If he read those quotes and saw that 1 tackle Davies would have got a card, and then for the tackle on Young (or was it Evra) he would have been off.
The refs want respect, but in my view you earn respect by what you do that's better!
That's why Pierluigi Collina was such a great ref. He was always aware of the inner game. If he read those quotes and saw that 1 tackle Davies would have got a card, and then for the tackle on Young (or was it Evra) he would have been off.
The refs want respect, but in my view you earn respect by what you do that's better!
The history stems from the first time he played Evra at the Reebok, when he took him out with a challenge which was ironically pretty much the same as the one on Cleverley, and Evra then took him out back. Probably both by accident though...
Pogue, how many times would you let someone run over and "tangle their legs" into you at full momentum before you consider they might not be doing it by accident? I mean, so long as one of their feet comes in from the side and plays the ball, they probably just didn't notice you were there, right? I don't know about you, but I'm never even remotely aware of where someone is when I'm trying to tackle the ball from them.
I suppose some of us think Scholes just used to accidentally foul people too. Nothing to do with him being a bit of a dirty fecker who sometimes liked to lunge in. In fact, maybe there's never been an intentional foul in the history of football.
Don't be an idiot. It's pretty clear when someone is trying to 'do' someone. It happens far less frequently than most people seem to think though...
There's a difference between trying to "do" someone, and trying to rough them up a bit or foul them.
Were West Brom trying to "do" De Gea when they started targetting/fouling him the other week? Or perhaps they were just doing it by accident?
Were West Brom trying to "do" De Gea when they started targetting/fouling him the other week? Or perhaps they were just doing it by accident?
This gets more off topic, I'm going to bed.
It's not off topic, and I've decided you're not allowed to go to bed.
I agree, it's painful. I watched it like about 10 times. I'm wasting 10 minutes more of my life proving it. From Nani's pass so you can get a sense of the movement...
Can we not agree this is a tackle from behind? You'll notice Cleverley is in the air and Davies isn't to the ball yet, or even close.
I agree, it's painful. I watched it like about 10 times. I'm wasting 10 minutes more of my life proving it. From Nani's pass so you can get a sense of the movement...
Can we not agree this is a tackle from behind? You'll notice Cleverley is in the air and Davies isn't to the ball yet, or even close.
gooDevil, you have explained your argument very well, with very good documentation. Next witness please..lol
Got home a bit late and missed the first few minutes. But, from the above, it is clear the tackle was from behind. And Davies was nowhere near the ball.
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Davies usually goes in hard in the first few minutes of the game against us to stamp his authority and that is way way bad tackle from behind.
I know players used to keep track of things like this, so I wonder if he wanted to give us one back for that tackle on Holden.
Not that he hasn't always tried to hurt Evra.
Not that he hasn't always tried to hurt Evra.
4 weeks is good news.
i share the same opinion but i was full of bad feelings once Davis started his run. he was nowehre close to Tom i simply knew that somethinb bad was going to happen.
I agree with Pogue, he meant to go for the ball, or if not just foul Cleverley and stop him running. A lot of players do it, it happened to Nani later in the game too, but there's been no mention of it because he got the yellow and Nani was fine.
This is just so overblown.
Unlucky for Cleverley but thankfully it's only 4 weeks.
This is just so overblown.
Unlucky for Cleverley but thankfully it's only 4 weeks.
Glad it's not a broken foot and hopefully he will make a speedy recovery and reclaim his spot in the team.
It was a bad tackle. It was typical of Davies, acting the hard guy, trying to make his presence felt or whatever it is some of you goofballs are calling it. There was absolutely no chance of not clattering into Cleverley and giving away a free-kick though, he had absolutely no chance of reaching the ball without going through Tom from behind.
IMO that was as clear a yellow as you're gonna see all season. And as for the Evra foul, well that was pure malice, that tackle. Orange. In summary, it's incredible that he wasn't sent off.
IMO that was as clear a yellow as you're gonna see all season. And as for the Evra foul, well that was pure malice, that tackle. Orange. In summary, it's incredible that he wasn't sent off.
We did it with Reyes actually. Get over it!
It's not like the Carrager tackle which was disgraceful and potentially career threatening.
It's not like the Carrager tackle which was disgraceful and potentially career threatening.
his intention was to stop Tom whatever. His following through on the player made sure he brought him down as players often do, justifying it by saying there was contact on the ball. I must say that I originally thought his following leg did the damage as is often the case, where plyers follow up with the other foot just to make sure - but this was not the case. I certainly don't think it was his intention to injure Tom but he sure meant to stop him regardless of fair or foul means.
Kinell lads. It's a foul, a fairly run-of-the-mill cynical foul that you see a couple of times a game. If Vidic had done it no-one on here would think anything of it, irrespective of whether the opponent picked up an injury.
It was to rough him up, and then he goes in like that two seconds later on Evra.
Should have walked. If nothing else, he should've been sent off due to having an unacceptably oily face. (This applies to Jonny Evans in equal measure.)
Was that a clever way of telling me to shut up?
I'm sure I deserve it, Tom is my new favorite player so I'm a bit defensive here.
But if you don't mind the foul you must be saying it wasn't from behind. Unless I'm missing something.
It's certainly not some huge deal though.
Get well soon Chunks.
It was to rough him up, just like our whole team successfully went out to rought Arsenal up a few seasons back. It's part of the game, not a nice part but a part. He could easily have got a yellow though I'm not surprised he didn't get one so early in the game.
Agreed on the oily face thing.
You are missing something if you think tackle from behind = foul. That rule was scrapped by FIFA.
Clearly a foul though: he took the man down without getting the ball.
Yeah, that's basically what I was getting at Plech. Too early, unfortunately, for the ref to bother booking him. He is let off the hook time and time again though, is Davies. A filthy little player disguised by his nice-guy image off the field.
Although the second foul IMO was so malicious he was lucky with the timing to escape a red if you consider he did both fouls a couple of minutes after another.
Although the second foul IMO was so malicious he was lucky with the timing to escape a red if you consider he did both fouls a couple of minutes after another.
It's not that it's a tackle from behind, he goes right through him from behind with Cleverley directly between him and the ball.
It's might not be a red card according to the rules, but I thought going through the back of someone's achilles was considered dirty. You can give a red for reckless play, yes?
He was never going to get anywhere near the ball, I don't think our players tackle that way, not even Brown when he'd look to clear them out as much as win the ball.
Of course it's also extremely painful, I've had someone take me out from behind like that, it's going to hurt like hell even if you're not injured, and he's not going for the ball imho. Would have been better if he had belted him in the face.
It's might not be a red card according to the rules, but I thought going through the back of someone's achilles was considered dirty. You can give a red for reckless play, yes?
He was never going to get anywhere near the ball, I don't think our players tackle that way, not even Brown when he'd look to clear them out as much as win the ball.
Of course it's also extremely painful, I've had someone take me out from behind like that, it's going to hurt like hell even if you're not injured, and he's not going for the ball imho. Would have been better if he had belted him in the face.
Also - what about Johnny Evans. Shocker last year on Holden.
People are making a mountain out of a mole hill here. It was a poor challenge, made by a forward, but it wasnt malicious - just clumsy.
As has been mentioned Scholes has made much worse challenges over the years and Johnny Evans managed to break a players leg last year with a horrendous tackle.
Players liek Davies put themselves about - its all part of the game, in the same way that Vidic slings in hard tackles. Big forwards will naturally try to target smaller players at set pieces and when in attacking positions. Its not rocket science.
A poor tackle and an unfortunate injury. Nothing more, nothing less.
If you send players of for tackles like that you'd have hardly anyone on the pitch.
Jonny Evans didn't break anyone's leg.
Paul Scholes has not to my memory ever forced an opponent out of a game with a late tackle.
I think most people are annoyed because Davies was giving it the mouth in the press about how he was on a mission to put himself about and less than five minutes in forced one of our lads out of the game with a shithouse tackle. When someone gives it the big un about how theyre going to get in our players faces and within 5 minutes rules out Cleverley for a month then I think you can understand the outrage.
Paul Scholes has not to my memory ever forced an opponent out of a game with a late tackle.
I think most people are annoyed because Davies was giving it the mouth in the press about how he was on a mission to put himself about and less than five minutes in forced one of our lads out of the game with a shithouse tackle. When someone gives it the big un about how theyre going to get in our players faces and within 5 minutes rules out Cleverley for a month then I think you can understand the outrage.
But he's said sorry now.
According to his missus anyway. She also called you all 'haters' whatever that means.
According to his missus anyway. She also called you all 'haters' whatever that means.
Pretty much how I see it, too.
Are you serious? Put him out of the game for 6 months but just so long as nothing's broken, eh?
Again. Are you serious? The point being made is that Scholes regularly makes challenges far clumsier/reckless than Davies' at the weekend. As with loads of people in this thread, you're judging the tackle on the outcome, which is daft. Using that logic, you're unlikely to ever see a worse tackle than the one which left Valencia with his foot hanging off.
He said he would give Phil Jones "a going over". He's a physical player, who enjoys throwing his weight around and testing the mettle of defenders. Absolutely nothing wrong with that. Football isn't a non-contact sport and we relish it when United players crunch the opposition. Double standards to react like a bunch of old women just because someone gets hurt in a moderately clumsy challenge.
This whole thread is a bit embarrassing. It's amazing that so many people who watch so much football seem unable to tell the difference between tackles that are genuinely dangerous and an unfortunate injury that results from a not particularly nasty challenge.
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Just interviewed Tom Cleverley. Davies called to apologise Sat night. And TC didn't make those quotes attributed to him on Facebook.
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Just interviewed Tom Cleverley. Davies called to apologise Sat night. And TC didn't make those quotes attributed to him on Facebook.
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