Tom Cleverley | 2011/12 Performances

[Saliph]

ligament's can be more complicated than breaks.

Knee ligaments, obviously. Ankle ligaments, no way.

I've torn my ankle ligaments completely, worst pain I've experienced in my life, unable to walk for days. Cleverley probably just stretched them, or maybe even partly tore them, but that'll heal quickly enough. If he'd torn them off, he would have stayed down.

By the way, I'm just assuming it's the ankle.

 

[Cutch]

Ligament damage in the foot? Is that not a bit unusual?

 

[Pexbo]

Knee ligaments, obviously. Ankle ligaments, no way.

I've torn my ankle ligaments completely, worst pain I've experienced in my life, unable to walk for days. Cleverley probably just stretched them, or maybe even partly tore them, but that'll heal quickly enough. If he'd torn them off, he would have stayed down.

I love it when people diagnose footballer's injuries from what they see on TV.

Owen crawled to the side of the pitch when playing for England and his knee was completely fecked, did you say then "well he managed to crawl on it, I'd say he'll be out for a few weeks at the most."

The main pain he will get is from the inflamation of the area which comes on later as his body tries to fix itself.

You have no idea whatsoever what level of damage he has done, the medical team that worked on him and will have conducted thorough scans have estimated 4 weeks, but you're over ruling that with your experience and what you saw on TV.

Brilliant.

 

[Neo_Mufc]

Good news it is only 4 weeks and not 4 months.

 

[Diabo_Sam]

Still he's out and will miss important games, Davies is a cnut

 

[Makki]

Ligament damage in the foot? Is that not a bit unusual?

How do you mean? It's a sprained ankle..

 

[Saliph]

I love it when people diagnose footballer's injuries from what they see on TV.

Owen crawled to the side of the pitch when playing for England and his knee was completely fecked, did you say then "well he managed to crawl on it, I'd say he'll be out for a few weeks at the most."

The main pain he will get is from the inflamation of the area which comes on later as his body tries to fix itself.

You have no idea whatsoever what level of damage he has done, the medical team that worked on him and will have conducted thorough scans have estimated 4 weeks, but you're over ruling that with your experience and what you saw on TV.

Brilliant.

No, I'm saying, once again assuming it's the ankle, that he wouldn't have managed to get up and run around if he'd torn his ligaments completely, unless he's fecking superman or heavily sedated.

And I'm not over ruling it, I'm saying it seems a very long time for 'ligament damage', especially considering he gets state of the art treatment.

I'll happily take a bet, say 10 quid. If he's back in 2 - 2 1/2 weeks, I win, 3 1/2 - 4 weeks, you win, in between, tie.

Though I want to stress I'm far from sure that I'm right, 'ligament damage' is a general term, but it doesn't sound serious to me, sounds like a stretch or maybe small partial tear.

 

[Cutch]

How do you mean? It's a sprained ankle..

All the chat was that the injury was to the foot

Edit: and this report confirms its ligaments in the foot.

BBC Sport - Man Utd's Tom Cleverley faces month out with ligament damage

 

[Elliott]

Great news! 4 weeks in the gym and he'll come back even stronger.

 

[rockerlad]

am gutted for the lad, he wasl looking a class act, good job fletch is now fit.

 

[championo]

It exciting how we can just think of a replacement and not panic. Oh, so and so is injured, no worries so can slot in.
But at the moment, the only player who looks irreplaceable is Anderson imo, Rooney is close, but I think Berba can do an adequate job if needed.

 

[rockerlad]

It exciting how we can just think of a replacement and not panic. Oh, so and so is injured, no worries so can slot in.
But at the moment, the only player who looks irreplaceable is Anderson imo, Rooney is close, but I think Berba can do an adequate job if needed.

Ando is finally showing his potential and about bloody time as well.

 

[Eugenius]

Don't think Cleverley will be any happier though, he's out of the team when he and the team are playing well. It's feckin hard to force your way onto this team.

 

[Van Piorsing]

His one month absence may open a door for Pogba to show at some point that he is one of the best talents in Europe.

Tom already deserve some solid credit for stepping up to the game on the highest level. The cooperation between Cleverley & Anderson is simply killer.

Best luck to him in fastest recovery, if possible. Team clearly need his dynamic approach and wise decisions on the pitch.

 

[talking robot]

Don't think Cleverley will be any happier though, he's out of the team when he and the team are playing well. It's feckin hard to force your way onto this team.

that's more true of the defenders and strikers than central midfield. once he's fit and ready to play again, i think he will be reintroduced rather quickly. i'm just keeping my fingers crossed that we don't get any more injuries in the center of the midfield as we are still a bit thin there (although in i a crunch we can play giggs, jones and even gibson)

 

[Gambit]

I really wanted to see him and Anderson doing it for us in Europe. Poor bugger.

 

[BAMSOLA]

Still he's out and will miss important games, Davies is a cnut

Not sure how some have managed to take so much of the moral high ground considering Evans tackle on Holden last year.

 

[Gambit]

Not sure how some have managed to take so much of the moral high ground considering Evans tackle on Holden last year.

Because Cleverley and Evans are our players. Gods sakes Bam Bam, get with the plan.

 

[BAMSOLA]

Because Cleverley and Evans are our players. Gods sakes Bam Bam, get with the plan.

Sorry gams, won't happen again.

 

[Cutch]

Not sure how some have managed to take so much of the moral high ground considering Evans tackle on Holden last year.

That tackle was very heavily criticised on here so not sure what your point is.

 

[Berlinknives]

I really wanted to see him and Anderson doing it for us in Europe. Poor bugger.

Well Gibson's had the same sort of injury and that was a couple of weeks ago, so I suppose United might have a bit more backup to compensate for his absence. Wouldn't surprise me to see both playing against Leeds.

 

[#07]

Not sure how some have managed to take so much of the moral high ground considering Evans tackle on Holden last year.

Because it was a 50/50 and Evans could've got just as badly injured and it was luck he didn't when they both went flying in? Cos Evans actually goes into genuine 50/50s and doesn't just pick on players smaller than him? Cos Davies is 34 and has played against us for three clubs over the past dozen years and never shown the willingness to take on the likes of Stam and Keane but is always ready to show his hardman credentials against the likes of Evra and Cleverley? Cos despite Davies' big man talk about what he was gonna do to Phil Jones he made sure to steer clear once the game started cos he never goes toe to toe with anyone capable of flattening him? Stuff like that.

 

[BAMSOLA]

That tackle was very heavily criticised on here so not sure what your point is.

Doubt anybody called Evans a cnut for it and i'm pretty sure some will have tried to excuse it.

Because it was a 50/50 and Evans could've got just as badly injured and it was luck he didn't when they both went flying in? Cos Evans actually goes into genuine 50/50s and doesn't just pick on players smaller than him? Cos Davies is 34 and has played against us for many clubs over the past dozen years and never had the balls to take on the likes of Stam and Keane but is always ready to show his hardman credentials against the likes of Evra and Cleverley? Cos despite Davies' big man talk about what he was gonna do to Phil Jones he made sure to steer clear once the game started cos he never goes toe to toe with anyone capable of flattening him? Stuff like that.

And hey!! here's somebody trying to do exactly that.

And just to remind some of you of that tackle the moment Jonny leaves the ground to make that tackle is in this video (please ignore the title and the image of the idiot who made it).

 

[Cutch]

Doubt anybody called Evans a cnut for it and i'm pretty sure some will have tried to excuse it.

Evans has made one reckless tackle in his whole career so he's hardly gonna be called a cnut on a Man Utd forum! A few posts on here following the incident, the first few i could find. About 90% had the same view on it.

That was very dangerous tackle.

The ref was terrible but that was a deserved red, stupid challenge by Evans.

Deserved. No excuses.

Bad tackle, silly boy Evans.

It was a shocking challenge and anyone who defends it is a retard.

100 % red card no complaints whatsoever.

Thought it was a really poor challenge, stupid & reckless. I hope the Bolton lad's injury isn't as bad as it looked.

Both players jumped in almost identically. Deserved red. Daft challenge.

A blatant red card, any day of the week.

Was it malicious? No. But it was still very dangerous and daft.

 

[#07]

Doubt anybody called Evans a cnut for it and i'm pretty sure some will have tried to excuse it.



And hey!! here's somebody trying to do exactly that.

And just to remind some of you of that tackle the moment Jonny leaves the ground to make that tackle is in this video (please ignore the title and the image of the idiot who made it).

So what you're saying basically is that Evans and Holden flying in at each other is exactly the same as a tackle from behind? I should ignore the fact that both Evans and Holden are stretching for a ball that's falling between the middle of them because you want to vindicate Davies in spite of the fact the ball was never there to be one and he went right through the back of Cleverley? Yeah, ok...

 

[KM]

Not sure why Evans is being dragged into this debate. Davies had made a career out of kicking people. It's not his first time. Besides his tackle on Tom wasn't that bad IMO, however his tackle on Evra was a disgrace.

Anybody noticed how quiet he was in the match when he got a yellow, looks like his whole game is based upon kicking people.

 

[Eugenius]

Difference is the intent of Evans and Davies. Evans made a genuine but ultimately dangerous attempt at winning the ball whereas Davies purely wanted to crunch into Cleverley and hurt and unsettle him with winning the ball a distant bonus.

 

[Raven Blade]

Another from twitter from MUTV stewartgardner - Tom Cleverley has ligament damage but thankfully no fracture. SAF says he will be out for 4 weeks #mufc

I'm happy with this news. Could have been a lot worse for him. When he returns I hope he regains his good form and get's more opportunities in the team.

In the meanwhile expect to see Fletcher brought back into first team contention again. Our midfield options will be looking quite capable once everyone's fit and firing.

 

[Sunny Jim]

Difference is the intent of Evans and Davies. Evans made a genuine but ultimately dangerous attempt at winning the ball whereas Davies purely wanted to crunch into Cleverley and hurt and unsettle him with winning the ball a distant bonus.

bollocks Davis' tackled was mistimed, too optimistic but not malicious.

 

[#07]

bollocks Davis' tackled was mistimed, too optimistic but not malicious.

Nah Davies would never go in to do harm he's not that type of player...

 

[Robin]

Tom himself says it is only a sprain and he was well enough to be around the hotspots of manchester last night, so hopefully in time for the scousers after the international break

 

[buckooo1978]

Not sure how some have managed to take so much of the moral high ground considering Evans tackle on Holden last year.

the difference is that tackles like that arent in Evans character - just mistimed

davies on the other hand....

 

[Robin]

As Martin Samuels said on telly this morning, first player to 100 bookings speaks for itself

 

[Pexbo]

Tom himself says it is only a sprain and he was well enough to be around the hotspots of manchester last night, so hopefully in time for the scousers after the international break

A sprain is when the ligaments are overstretched.... ligament damage.....

 

[Robin]

A sprain is when the ligaments are overstretched.... ligament damage.....

Yes you are right mate, he is saying its not as bad as he first thought as he initially thought he had a broken bone,

 

[Feed Me]

Not sure how some have managed to take so much of the moral high ground considering Evans tackle on Holden last year.

Bollocks, both players went in equally committed (recklessly).

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I don't think either Evans or Davies wanted to injure anyone but Evans' was by far the more reckless challenge.

 

[Eugenius]

I don't think either Evans or Davies wanted to injure anyone but Evans' was by far the more reckless challenge.

Yeah but Evans probably went into the tackle thinking "I'm gonna get this ball" whereas Davies just thought "I'm going to put this youngster in his place"

 

[BAMSOLA]

So what you're saying basically is that Evans and Holden flying in at each other is exactly the same as a tackle from behind? I should ignore the fact that both Evans and Holden are stretching for a ball that's falling between the middle of them because you want to vindicate Davies in spite of the fact the ball was never there to be one and he went right through the back of Cleverley? Yeah, ok...

No I'm not saying its the same, I'm saying its worse whether it was a 50/50 or not isn't the point. Keane Vs Haarland was a 50/50 and you are not gonna tell me that Roy intentions were honourable are you?

Jonny has clearly gone over the ball with studs showing, God only knows what he was thinking of but I can guarantee you that his first thought wasn't winning the ball.

As for Davies tackle yesterday, yes it was stupid but under normal circumstances a tackle like that shouldn't result in a career threatening injury, the one that Evans put in on Holden is exactly that, a potentially career ending tackle and Jonny is a very lucky boy.

Not sure why Evans is being dragged into this debate. Davies had made a career out of kicking people. It's not his first time. Besides his tackle on Tom wasn't that bad IMO, however his tackle on Evra was a disgrace.

Anybody noticed how quiet he was in the match when he got a yellow, looks like his whole game is based upon kicking people.

You are exactly right about his tackle on Tom, its been blown out of all proportion as it was a bit of nothing, his tackle on Evra was far worse. As for the reason for bringing Jonny into this its for a sense of perspective which is something that is sadly lacking at times around here.

I didn't really hear many complaining when we took the physical approach against Arsenal invincibles side, most quite rightly enjoyed that. I'd like to hear alot less whinning and more accepting that sides will take a physical approach to stop us playing which is something that we have done to others on rare occasions.

I wouldn't want us to turn into a forum of Arsenal fans with the whole holier than thou attitude.

Evans has made one reckless tackle in his whole career so he's hardly gonna be called a cnut on a Man Utd forum! A few posts on here following the incident, the first few i could find. About 90% had the same view on it.

And yet as I've argued some as with the first poster above have defended it, despite the fact that it was far more cnutish than Davies tackle on Tom which was more stupid than reckless or malicious.

 

[BAMSOLA]

Bollocks, both players went in equally committed (recklessly).

Yeah, keep the red specticles on. They suit you.