Im with you. Have no idea why posters care about resale fecking value.
Toby Alderweireld
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Im with you. Have no idea why posters care about resale fecking value.
Yeah, thanks.
As far as I recall it’s never been an issue before and not something that should feature in the thinking of any top club.
In my view it’s related to Mourinho being our manager and the concern over him signing some older players. It’s the only explanation.
I hesitate to say this but I do also wonder if it’s Football Manager thinking.
Its not about selling the player, but about the actual cost. If you buy an old player for a high price the cost will be higher than for a younger player. That makes the club less competitive at a later stage. That is why Ferguson and Gill agreed to only pay a high price for older players in rare cases. Its about maximizing the resources at hand.
Resale value should not matter much for a club like us. But, the best time to buy a player is when they are in their early 20s. Since they would be mature enough to contribute but, young enough that they still have their best seasons ahead of them.
Jesus you did well figuring that one out.
Any major updates that make you say that?
This reminds me a bit of Lukaku - Morata. Couldbt have predicted how that turned out
In time I think United will return to that formula. At the moment we’re trying to implement a dual formula, buying largely pre-peak players whilst also recognising that we don’t have a core of successful experienced ones.
If it is like Lukaku - Morata, then we are signing Tobi.
Sign Maguire this summer and sell Rojo and Darmian then next summer sell Jones and sign Alderweireld for £25 million, why pay £75 million for someone now that we can sign for £25 million in a year ?
I think resale value and costs are of interest, and worth debating - as of course we don’t have unlimited money.
Unfortunately on here, it’s very rare to have a well measured debate, it’s the two extremes of:
Why the feck should we care about anyone’s resale value.
Or
We can’t buy so and so, he’s old and won’t have any resale value at the end of his contract.
We have bought some great players over the years who were a bit older for big money - RVP, Sheringham come to mind.
Personally I think spending big on Toby would be a good move, but there has to be better options than a 30 year old Willian for £60m - that’s nuts.
Unfortunately on here, it’s very rare to have a well measured debate, it’s the two extremes of:
Why the feck should we care about anyone’s resale value.
Or
We can’t buy so and so, he’s old and won’t have any resale value at the end of his contract.
We have bought some great players over the years who were a bit older for big money - RVP, Sheringham come to mind.
Personally I think spending big on Toby would be a good move, but there has to be better options than a 30 year old Willian for £60m - that’s nuts.
Because United should want to challenge for the league NOW, not next year.
Of course, we're not a selling club so why should we care about resale value?
If you're concerned about resale value its because you're thinking you might cash in at some stage. When has Man Utd ever been a club like that?
Historically, our main concern has always been buying players that could help us win trophies. When we bought Berbatov nobody mentioned his resale value and what could happen if the transfer flopped. Same with Van Persie.
I don't understand the obsession with wondering what happens if a transfer doesn't work out.
If Alderweireld comes in and gives us four great years and retires a United player what does any resale value count for?
I don't understand some of our fanbase these days. We used to buy players in the hope they would retire at Old Trafford as club legends.
maguire or alderwield??
Which one makes us more likely to win a title?? Its alderweild all day long. Maguire isnt better than what we already have but has promise.
Which one makes us more likely to win a title?? Its alderweild all day long. Maguire isnt better than what we already have but has promise.
You have spectacularly missed my point.
We move players on all the time, so yes it’s worth debating - and my point was that it’s impossible to have a proper debate, and posts like yours just prove it.
You did see the examples I quoted of Sheringham and RVP - you even mentioned the second one yourself.
Does the money come out of your pocket or go into your pocket? Are the club financially stretched? Then f@@k the resale value.
Pay whatever it takes to buy a player regardless of age as long as it doesnt put the club at risk im happy
There's a thread on this >> https://www.redcafe.net/threads/alderweireld-or-maguire.440280/
I initially went for Alderweireld but his price might be too much so Maguire wouldn't be a bad deal all things considering.
Of course it’s not my money...
The reason people care about transfer fees and wages, is that clearly there is a budget - how hard is that to work out? If you tried, you could be less condescending.
Spending huge money on 29 year olds doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. If we're signing players in that age bracket, then the deal should be financially realistic, like the Van Persie signing.
Paying a fortune just to end up with an ageing squad is madness. We have big transfer budgets every year by the looks of things, but not enough to replace half the team every few years.
Paying a fortune just to end up with an ageing squad is madness. We have big transfer budgets every year by the looks of things, but not enough to replace half the team every few years.
Exactly. I wonder if Juventus worried about Andrea Pirlo's resale value when they picked him up from Milan. I wonder what they think about Ronaldo's resale value?
This whole resale value thing is bizarre. Especially as you rarely get back what you put in when a transfer doesn't pan out.
Say we buy Harry Maguire for £65 mil and he buckles under the pressure of playing at a top club. Who is going to pay anywhere near that fee to take him off our hands? So what's the point in worrying about resale value?
So none of our other players are going to grow or develop in any way? Bailly and the younger lads won't become more consistent?
Where does the idea that signing a handful of experienced heads leads to having to replace your whole team come from? I've never seen it.
Then we should have also signed a left back and a right sided forward as well as Alderweireld and the two we have signed but unless we pull out quality additions at left back and right forward I don’t see how signing Alderweireld is going to see us challenge for the title ? I think top three is our best bet even with Alderweireld.
That makes too much sense. Woody likes to pay top dollar for players. He did it with Fellaini he could have got him cheaper, left it a week and paid I think it was £4 mill more and I bet theres others. For £5 million more we could have had Perisic last season, but wouldnt shell out. Now the asking price has another £20 mill on top
He's got to be better than Rojo and Lindelöf for an absolute argument free conversation.
He's "Probably" better than Jones.
He's more reliable than Bailly, and he's better on the ball than Smalling, although unlike many I think Smalling is a really solid defender (people seem to forget the defending aspect is still the most important aspect of being a centre back)
You are exactly right. It should be to improve the club winning trophies, not thinking if we sell him in 3 years time we might make £20-30 million on what we paid.
It doesn't seem 5 years ago since people thought £24m for 29year old Van Persie was high.
Now we're talking 50-60m for non game changing hard working wingers!
Couldn’t agree more.
Wait, what?
He likes to pay top dollar but he wouldn’t shell out for Perisic. Am I missing something or have you literally contradicted yourself in the same paragraph?
We bought those players as the missing pieces to maintain our relentless run of winning premier league titles under a manager who we never really questioned when it came to buying players no matter what the age.Any player Fergie purchased, I assumed would stay at United for x amount of years and be part of a winning formula.
I don't quite see what Jose is doing with United.
You don't see why Jose would want an experienced centre back when most of our defenders are either inexperienced or probably the level below the best?
You don't see why Jose would want a direct winger when a lot of our players cut inside, dwell on the ball and don't really put the ball into the box for Lukaku to attack? Plus, besides Alexis and Mata, all of those players are pretty wet behind the ears as well?
I’m still seriously wondering what people hope United will achieve with this 50 mill shopping, if we talk purely about results. Would this CB miraculously help United to score significantly more than 68 goals next season? Will he help United to concede significantly less than 28 goals?
Ah right, makes you wonder why he bought Baily and Lindelöf.
You just suggested we should sell him because we’d be able to get a profit from it?
He’ll make a difference in close games. He’s also good on the ball which will help the team. He’s also by far better than any defenders we have so less relying on De Gea and less having to see Jones, Rojo etc;
We need to sort out our defence. We were far too conservative last year and so many of our attackers underperformed. Part of it will have been a lack of trust in our shite defenders. They are also all rubbish on the ball and always injured. If we can get an ever-present defender who is quality then we will make big strides. However, we need to sort out fullback situation out more urgently.
Actually its usually been a policy with players we buy. Why do you think we havent usually gone for players around the age of 30? Since Sir Alex was manager we've looked at younger players who have time to adapt at the club and if they do not, theres time to let them go while other clubs still want them.
I think having a shaky defence plays a much smaller part in our attacking players looking utterly clueless when we get near the opponents box than people want to believe, but I suppose we'll see.
Just scapegoating players they dont like.
Fair enough and you're right. What i'm saying is, with this squad and at this point in time, we actually need more experience and we need players who are indeed, the finished product. Willian and Toby are going to cost because we're buying two integral players from two teams are don't need to sell and are notorious for getting good money for their players. Don't forget we have a squad of relatively young players. But we can see with the likes of Martial, Depay etc that doesn't always work out. Don't get me wrong, I don't like it anymore than you. In an ideal world we would look elsewhere, but I trust the manager knows what he needs.
Neither of these players cost 120 million each either. Adding them together then comparing them to a single transfer is just fallacy....RvP cost 24million for a player in the last year of his contract 6 years ago. With inflation and the crazy transfer prices now we'd be looking at 80 million for him at least.
Market forces determine players values and in last 2 years the market has gone mad, so be it £50m, £60m £70m or higher they are the prices in today's market for a top defender.
Levy will not budge and Toby wants game time and knows if not sold he will have to sign a contract to get game time, hence next to no games after his injury last season as he was available after injury from January but only played a few cup games and then last few league games on Belgium manager request for him to be match fit for WC.
Any move to United will have to include Martial or there will be no deal, Spurs have made an offer for Saha which in principal Palace have agreed to, so now its in your court, deal with Martial and very quickly or no deal will be Levy stance and we all know how stubborn he is.
Levy will not budge and Toby wants game time and knows if not sold he will have to sign a contract to get game time, hence next to no games after his injury last season as he was available after injury from January but only played a few cup games and then last few league games on Belgium manager request for him to be match fit for WC.
Any move to United will have to include Martial or there will be no deal, Spurs have made an offer for Saha which in principal Palace have agreed to, so now its in your court, deal with Martial and very quickly or no deal will be Levy stance and we all know how stubborn he is.
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