Toby Alderweireld

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Trizy said:
Why?

Top defender in his prime? Check.
Better than what we have? Check.
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bleeding heck... "better than we've got" shouldn't enter into United buying a player. My dog is better than Jones and Smalling and we buried him 40 years go! Not so sure he's better than Bailly
 
Maguire is progressing into a top-quality central defender - great in the air, reads the game brilliantly, confident on the ball and furthermore, his leadership skills are something United sorely lack at present. However, Alderweirdeld, based on his rather average performances for Spurs last season and Belgium in the world cup, appears to be heading in the opposite direction.

Maguire is the logical choice of the two. Only hope Jose see's it the same way.
 
Frank Grimes said:
I'd much prefer Alderweireld over Maguire.
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This. If we must sign a centre-back I think it's obvious which is the better choice.

Frankly I just hope its a centre-back who can stay fit as (on the whole) that's more of an issue than quality right now.
 
Minimalist said:
This. If we must sign a centre-back I think it's obvious which is the better choice.

Frankly I just hope its a centre-back who can stay fit as (on the whole) that's more of an issue than quality right now.
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Well, Aldy wouldn't be a clever choice as he missed a fair chunk of last year injured then.
Bearing in mind you automatically miss 10-20% more games when joining United as a centre back.
 
We need a player who is calm and can play the ball forward quickly and accuratley.

Maguire isn't that good on the ball. He's ok but people mistake those (impressive) driving runs as being good on the ball, when it's the consistent quality passing forward from deep that is more in keeping with a centre half who is good on the ball. Alderweireld has this.

Maguire actually reminds me a bit of Phil Jones to be honest. There I said it. And I loved Maguire in the World Cup don't get me wrong but what United need is Alderweireld in my opinion.
 
CA1 said:
We need a player who is calm and can play the ball forward quickly and accuratley.

Maguire isn't that good on the ball. He's ok but people mistake those (impressive) driving runs as being good on the ball, when it's the consistent quality passing forward from deep that is more in keeping with a centre half who is good on the ball. Alderweireld has this.

Maguire actually reminds me a bit of Phil Jones to be honest. There I said it. And I loved Maguire in the World Cup don't get me wrong but what United need is Alderweireld in my opinion.
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This is exactly what my sentiments are about Maguire. 65m for Maguire just seems wrong. Alderweireld is good and worth 50m in this market. Although, I really would like to see Tuanzebe be one our CBs for years to come
 
If you put the last 3 seasons together, Alderweireld has been the best CB bar none in the PL. All of a sudden because of a decent world cup playing against Tunisia and Panama, Maguire is better? That is hilarious.

Anyway, latest info from Spurs sources are that Alderweireld has told Poch he wants to stay. He's kind of burned his bridges at Spurs and with Poch so it will be interesting to see how it plays out. If we keep him, we keep a top class player, it means we don't have to find a replacement which we've struggled to do this summer as the De Ligt rumours have gone quiet. So I would much rather he stays and knuckles down.

If we sell him, I have no idea who we would replace him with. All comes down to does Poch forgive him.
 
Primativ said:
If you put the last 3 seasons together, Alderweireld has been the best CB bar none in the PL. All of a sudden because of a decent world cup playing against Tunisia and Panama, Maguire is better? That is hilarious.

Anyway, latest info from Spurs sources are that Alderweireld has told Poch he wants to stay. He's kind of burned his bridges at Spurs and with Poch so it will be interesting to see how it plays out. If we keep him, we keep a top class player, it means we don't have to find a replacement which we've struggled to do this summer as the De Ligt rumours have gone quiet. So I would much rather he stays and knuckles down.

If we sell him, I have no idea who we would replace him with. All comes down to does Poch forgive him.
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Clearly, that is debatable. He was rather average for Spurs last season and again for Belgium during the world cup. Vertonghen has looked far superior over recent campaigns.

Poch forgave Danny Rose after he issued a 'come get me plea' to United last summer. It's safe to assume the same reaction will occur in the case of Alderweirdeld, simply because Spurs, given the relative lack of spending in the transfer window, are in no position to be rocking the boat where their players are concerned. The last thing they need is instability on the pitch whilst they move into a new stadium.
 
Random Task said:
Clearly, that is debatable. He was rather average for Spurs last season and again for Belgium during the world cup. Vertonghen has looked far superior over recent campaigns.

Poch forgave Danny Rose after he issued a 'come get me plea' to United last summer. It's safe to assume the same reaction will occur in the case of Alderweirdeld, simply because Spurs, given the relative lack of spending in the transfer window, are in no position to be rocking the boat where their players are concerned. The last thing they need is instability on the pitch whilst they move into a new stadium.
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It really isn't debatable at all. Toby was class up until his injury, which was the worst of his career. He looked a bit rusty when he was given limited game time towards the end of the season. He had a very good world cup, he was brilliant v Brazil in particularly. Not sure what games you've been seeing to call him average. Vertonghen was our player of the year last season, so it's hardly a stick to beat Toby with to say Vertonghen was better. I have to disagree with you on the recent campaigns too, Alderwerield was better than Vertonghen in the previous two seasons, but last season Vertonghen was as I say, our POTY.

He still might leave, no idea, but I hope he doesn't. Vertonghen, Alderweireld and Sanchez are a fantastic trio of CBs to start the season with.

I'm even seeing people on here say Toby is a donkey on the deck. Seriously... head in hands. He's one of the best ball playing defenders around.
 
Primativ said:
It really isn't debatable at all. Toby was class up until his injury, which was the worst of his career. He looked a bit rusty when he was given limited game time towards the end of the season. He had a very good world cup, he was brilliant v Brazil in particularly. Not sure what games you've been seeing to call him average. Vertonghen was our player of the year last season, so it's hardly a stick to beat Toby with to say Vertonghen was better. I have to disagree with you on the recent campaigns too, Alderwerield was better than Vertonghen in the previous two seasons, but last season Vertonghen was as I say, our POTY.

He still might leave, no idea, but I hope he doesn't. Vertonghen, Alderweireld and Sanchez are a fantastic trio of CBs to start the season with.

I'm even seeing people on here say Toby is a donkey on the deck. Seriously... head in hands. He's one of the best ball playing defenders around.
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I do not doubt his ability as a central defender before last season, not in the slightest, it's more a case of whether he can rediscover his old form after sustaining a serious injury. His performances in the latter stages of last season for Spurs were distinctly average and I disagree that he had a 'very good world cup' for Belgium - he looked like a shadow of his former self in my opinion. There is no guarantee that Alderwiereld will return to his old form.

All things considered, Maguire looks like a far safer bet at this point in time.
 
Random Task said:
I do not doubt his ability as a central defender before last season, not in the slightest, it's more a case of whether he can rediscover his old form after sustaining a serious injury. His performances in the latter stages of last season for Spurs were distinctly average and I disagree that he had a 'very good world cup' for Belgium - he looked like a shadow of his former self in my opinion. There is no guarantee that Alderwiereld will return to his old form.

All things considered, Maguire looks like a far safer bet at this point in time.
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Not sure how many times I need to say this but he had a hamstring injury, not a serious injury. He only played a handful of Cup games between January and March as he was dropped due to his stance on his contract which he had agreed to sign until liverpool put vDV on stupid money. Toby then got game time at the end of the season on Martínez plea to Poch for game time before WC. His actual injury kept him out for about 50 days which is normal for a hamstring injury.
 
Absolutely the most important signing we'll make this season. Please give Jose his first choice Ed. Please.
 
harms said:
Do you think that Maguire is a second choice forced on Jose by Woodward?
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Yup. Seen as a younger investment with more resale value compared to an older Toby with no resale value.

The optimistic me thinks they're trying to bring price down for Toby.
 
Lateriser12 said:
Yup. Seen as a younger investment with more resale value compared to an older Toby with no resale value.

The optimistic me thinks they're trying to bring price down for Toby.
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Given how late we are in the window, and the fact that these kind of deals can collapse at any moment, it would be prudent to pursue multiple options for the same position.
 
What's the situation with his buy-out clause. Does it come into effect next summer or January window (if Spurs extend his contract)? Could we theoretically buy him in January for 25m and hope he won't play in Spurs' CL group games?
 
I'm not liking the idea of spending big on a 29 year old injury hit defender as well as possibly Willian with absolutely no resale value for either of them.I'm all for spending money but not wasting it.
 
Joseunited said:
I'm not liking the idea of spending big on a 29 year old injury hit defender as well as possibly Willian with absolutely no resale value for either of them.I'm all for spending money but not wasting it.
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Who gives a feck about resale value
 
Bastian said:
What's the situation with his buy-out clause. Does it come into effect next summer or January window (if Spurs extend his contract)? Could we theoretically buy him in January for 25m and hope he won't play in Spurs' CL group games?
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I don't think so, Pochettino said this last transfer window.

Alderweireld’s contract contains a one-year extension option, which is scheduled to activate in the summer of 2019 and would see him contracted until 2020. But it also features a £25m release clause. In the summer of 2019, the central defender would be permitted to leave if a rival club were to pay £25m and complete the transfer at least 14 days before the closure of the window.
 
29 isn't old by any means, but the lack of games Alderweirald played last year is one concern. It's always a thankless task dealing with Levy too.

Maguire strikes me as an intriguing option. Still the colossal fee yes, but just starting to come to his best years, and can still improve a notch with us.
I definitely moved from wondering how he'd got in the England squad, let alone starting, to thinking he's actually got a lot to offer.
 
I’m keen on Maguire but this guy is the best defender in the league I think. Pay the money or buy Maguire. Just can’t be bothered with Jones and Smalling again.
 
Canuckred64 said:
I don't think so, Pochettino said this last transfer window.

Alderweireld’s contract contains a one-year extension option, which is scheduled to activate in the summer of 2019 and would see him contracted until 2020. But it also features a £25m release clause. In the summer of 2019, the central defender would be permitted to leave if a rival club were to pay £25m and complete the transfer at least 14 days before the closure of the window.
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Ah, cheers. Moot point then. Now or never I suppose.
 
I can see us signing him for 50 mill plus add ons after selling Rojo for 25-30 mill
We have been constantly feeding the media information about the Maguire transfer with 'United understanding that Leicester value their defender at 65 million' and such headlines. We never do that, we keep our transfer business as quiet as possible unless it's leaked by the player or the other team.

Also the absolute lack of rumors regarding Toby is suspicious. Spurs know that he won't he signing a new contract, they know he wants to leave, about the 25 mill clause kicking in next year and that we probably have some sort of agreement with him already. Otherwise Levy would be trying his hardest to sell him to another club as I don't think he would be ready to take a loss of 25-30 million by refusing to sell him this summer especially with the stadium construction and all that.
 
Joseunited said:
I'm not liking the idea of spending big on a 29 year old injury hit defender as well as possibly Willian with absolutely no resale value for either of them.I'm all for spending money but not wasting it.
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lol fecking re-sale value. We aren't West Brom. Jesus wept.
 
iHicksy said:
lol fecking re-sale value. We aren't West Brom. Jesus wept.
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Christ sake, what is wrong with looking to recoup money from player sales?Yet everyones asking why we aren't buying players and all the talk is that we have to sell before we buy.
 
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