Toby Alderweireld

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To get this back on track, Spurs have allegedly had an €80m offer for him. It may be from Utd, it may not be.

At the end of the day, the suggestion of "just get him next season for £25m" is redundant - he'll go to the highest bidder this summer, so either Utd will make an acceptable offer, or they will miss out. Signing him next summer is a very unlikely option, regardless of what the release clause is.
 
cjj said:
To get this back on track, Spurs have allegedly had an €80m offer for him. It may be from Utd, it may not be.

At the end of the day, the suggestion of "just get him next season for £25m" is redundant - he'll go to the highest bidder this summer, so either Utd will make an acceptable offer, or they will miss out. Signing him next summer is a very unlikely option, regardless of what the release clause is.
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InLevyITrust said:
I don't think Levy is expecting £75M or anywhere near it from anyone else, its clear we are interested in Martial so why should we negotiate when United won't? Also before anyone pipes up I am not suggesting a swap deal. Id snap the hand off Woody if the £55M offer is on the table, Martial or no Martial. If we get £70 for Toby I would actually laugh myself silly at how stupid and crazy the game has become for some clubs.
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That's not how transfer work though. Even then, Toby won't sign a new contract while Martial hasn't ruled out staying with us.
That's a very juvenile way to approach business if that is Levy's gameplan.
 
finneh said:
Your commercial revenue was £73m for the 16/17 season. If you don't want to compare Levy's performance to Chelsea let's compare it to Liverpool who don't even have the benefit of being in London. Their commercial revenue was £136m or a shade under double.

The only revenue stream that Levy is responsible for has grown at a tragic rate in comparison to every other good team and the only revenue stream that has grown at a fantastic rate is TV revenue which is negotiated by others.

Pochettino is responsible for getting CL revenue, BT are responsible for the amount of said revenue and Scudamore is responsible for the PL revenue.

The only source of revenue changeable by a good CEO as a portion of total revenue stood at 24%. Compared with United 47%, Chelsea 38%, Liverpool 38% and Arsenal 28%.

That's me or course ignoring City's increases which are down to the owners mates.
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We aren't as big a club as Liverpool or anywhere near it? Back when Levy took over, we were massively behind all those clubs, do you remember where Tottenham were :lol:, we missed out massively at the time Sky took over the football. We were mid table/relegation fodder, who hadn't finished above 8th in about 10 years. All the clubs you mention have had CL football for years the "BIG 4"... what are you talking about? CL football equals commercial investment, surely that's pretty clear. How can you expect a CM to do better than Levy when the status que was already set.

The dealings of City and Chelsea are shady beyond any doubt.
 
cyberman said:
That's not how transfer work though. Even then, Toby won't sign a new contract while Martial hasn't ruled out staying with us.
That's a very juvenile way to approach business if that is Levy's gameplan.
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I'm saying at this early stage of the TW, its a perfectly fine stance to have. If this latest rumour of £70M is true it certainly looks like its paid off, that's fecking robbery.
 
Ricky Sacks ‏ @RickSpur
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[@ESPN] report further Man Utd ‘had hoped’ to complete a £55m deal for centre-back Toby Alderweireld. However Tottenham Hotspur chairman Daniel Levy’s ‘reluctance to sanction’ the transfer has seen the asking price of the central defender now rise to £70 million"


If United dither much longer, the price may get bumped to £80m …. go Levy go :lol:
 
This will go through the whole summer I believe. If we want him, it's gonna be our last deal to get concluded this transfer window.
 
Interesting......United fans are normally very amicable with Spurs fans as we have never and will never see them as a threat, now some Spurs fans are developing a back bone, it's good to see. United fans would much rather you guys are top in London but there has to be a reality check.

Alderweireld is 29 not 26 like VVD and having a brother who is a massive Saints Fan and also played for them 20 years ago with Wayne Bridge, he reliably informs me, VVD is miles better, something I would dispute but both are probably top 5 in the PL the difference is the contract situation and therefore so should the value be lower.

Saints had 4 years contract still left on VVD so a premium was due, Spurs have a 1 year option that when triggered allows Alderweireld to leave for 25M so how can a player who is 3 years older and in a poorer contract situation be worth the same as a player who has just played in a Champions League Final ?
Levy likes to bluff but this might be one bluff to far, take the 55M or run the risk of only getting 25M next year and an unhappy player for another season!!
 
InLevyITrust said:
We aren't as big a club as Liverpool or anywhere near it? Back when Levy took over, we were massively behind all those clubs, do you remember where Tottenham were :lol:, we missed out massively at the time Sky took over the football. We were mid table/relegation fodder, who hadn't finished above 8th in about 10 years. All the clubs you mention have had CL football for years the "BIG 4"... what are you talking about? CL football equals commercial investment, surely that's pretty clear. How can you expect a CM to do better than Levy when the status que was already set.

The dealings of City and Chelsea are shady beyond any doubt.
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Chelsea's dealing aren't particularly shady in truth but of course City's are. But you can only compare yourself to the other top 6 clubs... Unless you'd prefer to be compared to West Ham?

The point isn't even that Spurs are lagging behind the Chelsea's, Liverpool's and Arsenal's of this world it's the sheer amount they're behind.

Any level headed Spurs fan would know that they've done very poorly on a commercial front these last few years. I believe this is because Levy's rocus has always been on squeezing money out of transfers and of course building a new stadium.

Arsenal went through the same thing when their management took their eye off the ball and thought match day revenue was the holy grail. Whilst Arsenal were gaining £60m in match day revenue Chelsea gained the same by being far more savvy in their commercial dealings.

Either way Levy has been poor in the main thing that determines a good CEO (see Woodward).
 
VP89 said:
Source?
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It's not openly reported and comes from indirect sources, hence "allegedly".

Unlikely to be rejected, so time will tell if it is reliable or not
 
finneh said:
Chelsea's dealing aren't particularly shady in truth but of course City's are. But you can only compare yourself to the other top 6 clubs... Unless you'd prefer to be compared to West Ham?

The point isn't even that Spurs are lagging behind the Chelsea's, Liverpool's and Arsenal's of this world it's the sheer amount they're behind.

Any level headed Spurs fan would know that they've done very poorly on a commercial front these last few years. I believe this is because Levy's rocus has always been on squeezing money out of transfers and of course building a new stadium.

Arsenal went through the same thing when their management took their eye off the ball and thought match day revenue was the holy grail. Whilst Arsenal were gaining £60m in match day revenue Chelsea gained the same by being far more savvy in their commercial dealings.

Either way Levy has been poor in the main thing that determines a good CEO (see Woodward).
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I don't think you are understanding how the commercial side of football works. What has Levy's transfer dealings got to do with the commercial side of the game?
 
InLevyITrust said:
Take a scoll up, according to @finneh the work he has done at Tottenham has been, and I quote, "an abomination".
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I can't see how anyone could think that including United fans. We hate dealing with him (wish we never did tbh), he's a cnut, but you have to take tip your hat for what he is doing at Spurs.
 
Woziak said:
Interesting......United fans are normally very amicable with Spurs fans as we have never and will never see them as a threat, now some Spurs fans are developing a back bone, it's good to see. United fans would much rather you guys are top in London but there has to be a reality check.
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Glad to see someone think like that. I'm anti-plastic so I support you over City and Chelsea, always did. Not sure every United fans actually think like this as some seem to see Spurs as a club that try to interrupt with the established order of things.
 
Its funny, if Jones had played the way Alderweireld did against Leicester we'd have tens of threads demanding hes sold. Not an impressive defender.
 
acnumber9 said:
Top of the net spend table. Meanwhile Spurs squad is weakened again.
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Or you can look at this way. He has a player on his books that doesn't want to sign a new contract, can be picked up for 25m next season, yet he can get 50m plus.
 
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[@ESPN] report further Man Utd ‘had hoped’ to complete a £55m deal for centre-back Toby Alderweireld. However Tottenham Hotspur chairman Daniel Levy’s ‘reluctance to sanction’ the transfer has seen the asking price of the central defender now rise to £70 million"


If United dither much longer, the price may get bumped to £80m …. go Levy go :lol:
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Shit if Ricky Stacks says it..
 
Summit said:
Or you can look at this way. He has a player on his books that doesn't want to sign a new contract, can be picked up for 25m next season, yet he can get 50m plus.
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It would be great for Spurs if that means the team will improve as a result of it. That’s not what happened when they sold Walker last season though. I just don’t see how selling a very good player should lead to whooping and cheering.
 
acnumber9 said:
It would be great for Spurs if that means the team will improve as a result of it. That’s not what happened when they sold Walker last season though. I just don’t see how selling a very good player should lead to whooping and cheering.
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It wouldnt be that hard to improve on his performances last season. It certainly wouldnt require £50 million
 
Does anyone actually believe that United would pay about 75 mil. for Alderweireld? There are Bailley, Lindelof, Jones, Smalling and Rojo already in the squad. Recently United paid 40 mil. for Matic from Chelsea, that's normal! Not even City pay that much money for an above average defender.

If Alderweireld really wants out and prefers United, Spurs have to do something, otherwise they deny a loyal servant to the club a golden opportunity and lose out on millions, because the likes of Bayern or Juve are tight bastards. Wouldn't makes any sense for all involved parties.
 
If we pay €80 cnuting million on a 29 year old centre back then Mourinho and Woodward should both be sacked.
 
acnumber9 said:
Top of the net spend table. Meanwhile Spurs squad is weakened again.
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I keep saying this but with the money staying in England, we'll see a lot more inner league transfers and their negotiation tactics of Dier for 90m isn't going to help them pick up the likes of Martial when they become available.
Especially with the money we all spend, our bloated squads will have all types of gems missing out yet Spurs could find themselves on the outside looking in with the way they interact with rival clubs.
They take stupid pleasure in wasting your time.
Just say they're not for sale, why would you even put a price on a player you don't want to lose? Just to look like billy big balls?
 
Summit said:
Or you can look at this way. He has a player on his books that doesn't want to sign a new contract, can be picked up for 25m next season, yet he can get 50m plus.
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Let's wait and see how much Alderweireld actually goes for before lauding genius of Levy ,Walker was suppose to go for around £60 million as well last year according to Spurs fans here . I would be very surprised if Spurs get more than £45 million as initial fee for Alderweireld if they sell him in PL otherwise it would be even lower.
 
InLevyITrust said:
I don't think you are understanding how the commercial side of football works. What has Levy's transfer dealings got to do with the commercial side of the game?
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Like anyone who's at the top of their company... Their focus becomes the focus of the entire operation. What their time and focus is on is replicated in their subordinates and in the company as a whole.

Levy's focus and ergo that of Spurs as an organisation has always been as being a tough negotiator. That's a fantastic stance for a selling club, as it means you often get that extra 10%. When Spurs were a plucky mid table selling outfit that was great.

However the game evolved several years ago whereby a focus on penny pinching became absolutely secondary to the developing of commercial partners. The skill in attracting commercial partners is completely different to the skill of holding players and buying clubs to ransom. It's about building bridges rather than setting them on fire over a few quid.

Levy has been resilient in his belief that you become successful by being difficult. Those around him... The likes of Liverpool, Chelsea and United (and more recently and to a lesser extent Arsenal) have realised that positive relationships are what builds revenue.

United's relationship with AON is a prime example. They negotiated a great shirt sponsorship deal but such was the relationship that United renegotiated a deal where they sponsored the training ground for £20m as we has a much better offer on the table.

Levy is the Theresa May of CEO's... Bloody difficult but ultimately not particularly competent.
 
Whenever I have watched Spurs over last few years and he has played; I have thought Alderweireld is decent but haven’t seen him as outstanding.

Certainly given that he is 29 I would rather Jose actually uses who we have (Bailly is class, Lindelöf improved over the season and Rojo was immense before his ACL injury). Just seems a sad sign of the times to invest £50m+ on a quick fix rather than use what we have. I really would rather use that money on an area that’ll just don’t have any one we can use. Right wing being the most obvious.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Ricky Sacks ‏ @RickSpur
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[@ESPN] report further Man Utd ‘had hoped’ to complete a £55m deal for centre-back Toby Alderweireld. However Tottenham Hotspur chairman Daniel Levy’s ‘reluctance to sanction’ the transfer has seen the asking price of the central defender now rise to £70 million"


If United dither much longer, the price may get bumped to £80m …. go Levy go :lol:
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You do need every penny you can get if you're going to fork out £40m for Grealish.
 
Red Royal said:
Whenever I have watched Spurs over last few years and he has played; I have thought Alderweireld is decent but haven’t seen him as outstanding.

Certainly given that he is 29 I would rather Jose actually uses who we have (Bailly is class, Lindelöf improved over the season and Rojo was immense before his ACL injury). Just seems a sad sign of the times to invest £50m+ on a quick fix rather than use what we have. I really would rather use that money on an area that’ll just don’t have any one we can use. Right wing being the most obvious.
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Anything north of £40 million (when you consider his age and contract situation) and we should be walking away.

I don’t care what people say, signing another centre back is not going to magically fix our inability to score goals.
 
finneh said:
Like anyone who's at the top of their company... Their focus becomes the focus of the entire operation. What their time and focus is on is replicated in their subordinates and in the company as a whole.

Levy's focus and ergo that of Spurs as an organisation has always been as being a tough negotiator. That's a fantastic stance for a selling club, as it means you often get that extra 10%. When Spurs were a plucky mid table selling outfit that was great.

However the game evolved several years ago whereby a focus on penny pinching became absolutely secondary to the developing of commercial partners. The skill in attracting commercial partners is completely different to the skill of holding players and buying clubs to ransom. It's about building bridges rather than setting them on fire over a few quid.

Levy has been resilient in his belief that you become successful by being difficult. Those around him... The likes of Liverpool, Chelsea and United (and more recently and to a lesser extent Arsenal) have realised that positive relationships are what builds revenue.

United's relationship with AON is a prime example. They negotiated a great shirt sponsorship deal but such was the relationship that United renegotiated a deal where they sponsored the training ground for £20m as we has a much better offer on the table.

Levy is the Theresa May of CEO's... Bloody difficult but ultimately not particularly competent.
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All absolute speculation, you have absolutely no idea what Levy is like in a commercial setting. Our commercial side of things is increasing year on year, most United fans agree Levy has done an amazing job in a league where backing and money come first. Its easier for the big European clubs to get commercial backing, now that we are in Europe consistently we are seeing bigger commercial backing. Things don't happen overnight unless your City and everything is bought.
 
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