Toby Alderweireld

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So Poch gets to keep an unhappy player and bench him for 12 months?
Great deal there.
 
GlastonSpur said:
They really aren't - which is why partly how we've assembled a very valuable squad with an incredibly low net spend.
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Pissing around in the transfer window until August 31st has cost Spurs points. That's a fact. A message that your manager is on record in relaying.

When you pick up more points than any other team from January to May - three years running - and you win sod all then you blame the start to the season. Levy and his juvenile business tactic has been to the detriment of Spurs for years. If and when your manager leaves that will become clear - again.
 
Kag said:
Pissing around in the transfer window until August 31st has cost Spurs points. That's a fact. A message that your manager is on record in relaying.

When you pick up more points than any other team from January to May - three years running - and you win sod all then you blame the start to the season. Levy and his juvenile business tactic has been to the detriment of Spurs for years. If and when your manager leaves that will become clear - again.
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What an ignorant post, simply mind boggling, if Levy has such a "juvenile business tactic" how has he the club in a position it is in, competing with clubs with much higher resources? Why should Levy be bullied by United, well within his right to hold firm, if Levy just sold him 99% of United fans would come out with the "Spurs are a selling club" its utter BS. If you don't want him move on to another target and stop crying about mean old Levy.
 
GlastonSpur said:
And sorry, but the wider commercial picture is not irrelevant. If next season is successful partly because we still have Toby and can play a back 3 formation, and if that leads for example to a lucrative stadium naming rights deal, then the gains from that will dwarf losing £15m (or whatever) because we didn't sell him this summer.
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I'm not sure anyone in Levy's position would be relating Alderweireld staying with your stadium naming deal. That's far too much of a stretch.

If he leaves he'll be replaced so the formation is somewhat irrelevant.

Surely the naming rights deal will be tied up well before anyone could judge the success of next season anyway?
 
Spurs can keep him if they are not reasonable. Good luck flogging him elsewhere.
 
cyberman said:
So Poch gets to keep an unhappy player and bench him for 12 months?
Great deal there.
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He wouldn't be benched for 12 months. My bet is he'd play lots of games in a back 3. And meanwhile United would lose out on the best CB they could get, which weakens a rival.

So that's not a bad deal for Spurs, however much you'd like to paint it otherwise. The idea that Spurs are over a barrel on this is just wishful thinking - so United either pay up or move on. I doubt Levy is much bothered either way.
 
GlastonSpur said:
He wouldn't be benched for 12 months. My bet is he'd play lots of games in a back 3. And meanwhile United would lose out on the best CB they could get, which weakens a rival.

So that's not a bad deal for Spurs, however much you'd like to paint it otherwise. The idea that Spurs are over a barrel on this is just wishful thinking - so United either pay up or move on. I doubt Levy is much bothered either way.
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Levy can do one then. Simple as that. Doesn't seem like much to discuss here.
 
GlastonSpur said:
He wouldn't be benched for 12 months. My bet is he'd play lots of games in a back 3. And meanwhile United would lose out on the best CB they could get, which weakens a rival.

So that's not a bad deal for Spurs, however much you'd like to paint it otherwise. The idea that Spurs are over a barrel on this is just wishful thinking - so United either pay up or move on. I doubt Levy is much bothered either way.
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You didn't revert to a back 3 to accommodate him last year when he was fit so why would Poch do it now?
Does Poch completely freeze him out if he thought Toby was staying this summer? I honestly don't think so, it just doesn't make sense.
These made up scenarios..oh we'll just play a back 3 so everybody gets a game..are all well and good but they are plucked from thin air in trying to make sense of it all.
What's the difference between January of last year and Jan of this year when Poch thinks both times that he's gone in the summer? Why would he handle it any differently?
 
GlastonSpur said:
He wouldn't be benched for 12 months. My bet is he'd play lots of games in a back 3. And meanwhile United would lose out on the best CB they could get, which weakens a rival.

So that's not a bad deal for Spurs, however much you'd like to paint it otherwise. The idea that Spurs are over a barrel on this is just wishful thinking - so United either pay up or move on. I doubt Levy is much bothered either way.
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You can’t weaken a rival by not selling a player to said rival, that’s just illogical. You can of course, not strengthen them, but it’s not the same thing.

It’s nice you see Utd as a rival, but it’s not reciprocated.
 
Guess work, but this extra premium Levy is putting on Alderweireld is probably because selling to us would be an extremely bad idea. It is what Chelsea should've done with Matic.

I'd be furious if we'd strengthen Chelsea or Spurs with one of our better players at market price. Seeing some here don't see any reason for Levy asking for 70, try shifting the scenario around, with Martial or even Bailly trading spots with Alderweireld.

I'd hated Woody if he'd sell one of them, or any player that could strengthen a top 6 squad. Guess I'd only be sort of content if I knew we got a ridiculous offer.
 
cyberman said:
You didn't revert to a back 3 to accommodate him last year when he was fit so why would Poch do it now?
Does Poch completely freeze him out if he thought Toby was staying next year? I honestly don't think so, it just doesn't make sense.
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He wasn't completely frozen out though, he returned from injury on 11th March, missed the next 4 and played in four after that.
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
You can’t weaken a rival by not selling a player to said rival, that’s just illogical. You can of course, not strengthen them, but it’s not the same thing.

It’s nice you see Utd as a rival, but it’s not reciprocated.
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If they end up with an inferior CB instead, then the rival is less strong than it would otherwise have been. And if you don't sign Toby then that will be the outcome, because you won't get a better CB who is ready-made to come into your first XI.

As for Spurs not being a rival, that's just you blustering.
 
InLevyITrust said:
What an ignorant post, simply mind boggling, if Levy has such a "juvenile business tactic" how has he the club in a position it is in, competing with clubs with much higher resources? Why should Levy be bullied by United, well within his right to hold firm, if Levy just sold him 99% of United fans would come out with the "Spurs are a selling club" its utter BS. If you don't want him move on to another target and stop crying about mean old Levy.
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Because at the 10th time of asking he finally got lucky with a manager? Spurs fans must be the only people who deify their chairman to this extent. Spurs have done well because they finally got their hands on a manager capable of building a team.
 
GlastonSpur said:
If they end up with an inferior CB instead, then the rival is less strong than it would otherwise have been. And if you don't sign Toby then that will be the outcome, because you won't get a better CB who is ready-made to come into your first XI.

As for Spurs not being a rival, that's just you blustering.
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Haha, Spurs are going to be so weak next year without Martial, not to mention Pogba. You will never get better players than that, so if we don't sell them to you, we weaken you. See how that works?
 
GlastonSpur said:
If they end up with an inferior CB instead, then the rival is less strong than it would otherwise have been. And if you don't sign Toby then that will be the outcome, because you won't get a better CB who is ready-made to come into your first XI.

As for Spurs not being a rival, that's just you blustering.
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Who is to say we won’t get a better CB, he’s a good player, but he’s not world class. Admittedly most of the alternatives won’t have PL experience, so could be more of a risk, but he will be far from the only option.

Furthermore we all have budgets, and money can be spent elsewhere. CB is far from our biggest priority.
 
acnumber9 said:
Because at the 10th time of asking he finally got lucky with a manager? Spurs fans must be the only people who deify their chairman to this extent. Spurs have done well because they finally got their hands on a manager capable of building a team.
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Bollocks, if you believe that you know very little about the PL as a whole, when ENIC bought us from Sugar we were a mess of a club, both on and off the pitch. That improved once ENIC took over, there is really no arguing the matter unless you a WUM. Yes they have gotten some things wrong but overall the job they have done is remarkable.
 
InLevyITrust said:
Bollocks, if you believe that you know very little about the PL as a whole, when ENIC bought us from Sugar we were a mess of a club, both on and off the pitch. That improved once ENIC took over, there is really no arguing the matter unless you a WUM. Yes they have gotten some things wrong but overall the job they have done is remarkable.
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Spurs aren’t in the top four because of their manager? Tone down the aggression.
 
One thing for certain is Alderweireld will leave within 12 months and Spurs will not get 75m for him off any club in the world, Levy doesn't want to sell to United, we may accept that and move on. It's Spurs who are going to be stuck with an unhappy player for a year with his price depreciated by 66% of what they value him at.
 
acnumber9 said:
Spurs aren’t in the top four because of their manager? Tone down the aggression.
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What aggression? Poch has done a marvellous job no doubt but if you look at Tottenham before ENIC and Tottenham since they took over no one can deny what they have done for us. Jol done massive things for us also at the time, and Harry had a part to play also (in his own Harry way).
 
MikeKing said:
Haha, Spurs are going to be so weak next year without Martial, not to mention Pogba. You will never get better players than that, so if we don't sell them to you, we weaken you. See how that works?
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The difference is that we neither want nor need Pogba, and if Martial was signed he'd simply be competing for starting slot … whereas Toby would walk into your first XI.
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
Who is to say we won’t get a better CB, he’s a good player, but he’s not world class. Admittedly most of the alternatives won’t have PL experience, so could be more of a risk, but he will be far from the only option.

Furthermore we all have budgets, and money can be spent elsewhere. CB is far from our biggest priority.
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Can you name even one realistically available CB who is better than Alderweireld?
 
InLevyITrust said:
What aggression? Poch has done a marvellous job no doubt but if you look at Tottenham before ENIC and Tottenham since they took over no one can deny what they have done for us. Jol done massive things for us also at the time, and Harry had a part to play also (in his own Harry way).
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You don’t think starting your post with bollocks is a touch aggressive? Then calling me a WUM for pointing out Spurs are where they are because they finally have a good manager? No doubt they’re run better now but was Levy the reason for Spurs greatness when his business tactic to milk extra money for Berbatov left them with no time to get an adequate replacement or when he was going through managers like there was no tomorrow?
 
GlastonSpur said:
The difference is that we neither want nor need Pogba, and if Martial was signed he'd simply be competing for starting slot … whereas Toby would walk into your first XI.
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The difference? Your opinion here, based on your own logic, should be that Spurs became weaker when we didn't sell you Ronaldo. Or no, that is different because you wouldn't need him as you wasn't competing for trophies at the time.
 
InLevyITrust said:
Bollocks, if you believe that you know very little about the PL as a whole, when ENIC bought us from Sugar we were a mess of a club, both on and off the pitch. That improved once ENIC took over, there is really no arguing the matter unless you a WUM. Yes they have gotten some things wrong but overall the job they have done is remarkable.
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Quite so. And the biggest fruit of their stewardship so far - the best football stadium in the UK - is opening for business in around 3 months from now.
 
InLevyITrust said:
What an ignorant post, simply mind boggling, if Levy has such a "juvenile business tactic" how has he the club in a position it is in, competing with clubs with much higher resources? Why should Levy be bullied by United, well within his right to hold firm, if Levy just sold him 99% of United fans would come out with the "Spurs are a selling club" its utter BS. If you don't want him move on to another target and stop crying about mean old Levy.
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Selling a 29 year old CB for 50 million when he will be gone for half that the following summer is not being bullied. Asking for 75 million is just unrealistic and no one is paying that.

The fact that Alderweireld does not want to stay at Spurs says more than you actually selling him.
 
We need to walk away, Levy is toxic to deal with. There are better value for money CB's out there, some with a higher ceiling of potential than Alderweireld.

£55 million is above and beyond what he is worth, Spurs can feck off.
 
acnumber9 said:
You don’t think starting your post with bollocks is a touch aggressive? Then calling me a WUM for pointing out Spurs are where they are because they finally have a good manager? No doubt they’re run better now but was Levy the reason for Spurs greatness when his business tactic to milk extra money for Berbatov left them with no time to get an adequate replacement or when he was going through managers like there was no tomorrow?
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I don't think its aggressive compared to some of the other stuff posted on the Caf, no. Like I said he has done some things wrong but on a whole he has improved us massively and considering how some other chairman have done, Learner, Ashley, who ever was in charge at Leeds at the time, Blackburn's chicken family ENIC should be applauded. New training ground, new stadium, top four team all in less than 20 years without bank rolling us, I think that's at least a decent out come.
 
MikeKing said:
The difference? Your opinion here, based on your own logic, should be that Spurs became weaker when we didn't sell you Ronaldo. Or no, that is different because you wouldn't need him as you wasn't competing for trophies at the time.
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Say what? We are discussing Toby, who is potentially available for sale to United. There's no analogy with Ronaldo here, because he was never the subject of any potential deal between United and Spurs.
 
I get the "defend our team to the death" but Spurs will only do damage to themselves if they refuse to sell at £45m. We're in no desperate need of a CB - we've a better defence than anyone else in the league as illustrated over the last 4 seasons. No other team seems interested and next year, if unsold this summer, Spurs risk losing £20 million and that, too, on a player who has no intention of staying. Why keep an unhappy player the manager probably doesn't want anyway for the sake of a ridiculous amount of money? I'd rather we wait until next year when we'll acquire him for a mere £25 million.
 
haram said:
Selling a 29 year old CB for 50 million when he will be gone for half that the following summer is not being bullied. Asking for 75 million is just unrealistic and no one is paying that.

The fact that Alderweireld does not want to stay at Spurs says more than you actually selling him.
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I don't believe Levy is asking for £75M, I believe he is waiting till after the world cup to sell him, which would make pretty good sense personally.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Can you name even one realistically available CB who is better than Alderweireld?
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I didn’t know who Dalot was until two weeks ago. That’s why we have scouts, and don’t rely on fans. We always have more than one option.

Last year we wanted a central midfielder and a striker and had multiple options which were out in the open. We will be looking at other CB options.
 
Irrational. said:
We need to walk away, Levy is toxic to deal with. There are better value for money CB's out there, some with a higher ceiling of potential than Alderweireld.

£55 million is above and beyond what he is worth, Spurs can feck off.
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Media reports say (whether they are true or not is another question) that the blockage isn't that £55m isn't enough, but rather that United want to make a large part of it subject to add-ons that are unlikely ever to be realised.

IF that's the case, then perhaps you should be focusing your attention on United's current stance, rather than that of Levy.
 
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