Toby Alderweireld

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I have a solution to this.

We threaten to offer Phil Jones as part ex in the deal....if that doesn't shut Levy up then nothing will.
 
No idea why this guy would be worth the hassle, or why a CB is deemed such a priority this summer at all, we have decent cover there, and we need to strengthen in so many other areas that we don't.
 
Nate Dogg said:
I have a solution to this.

We threaten to offer Phil Jones as part ex in the deal....if that doesn't shut Levy up then nothing will.
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If Alderweireld is worth 75 million, Jones who is 26 years old, English, a national team regular who although is injury prone is a good player when fit should be worth atleast 40-50 million
 
acnumber9 said:
It would be great for Spurs if that means the team will improve as a result of it. That’s not what happened when they sold Walker last season though. I just don’t see how selling a very good player should lead to whooping and cheering.
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Depends how you look at it, Toby wasn't going to sign a new deal it was really out of our hands. Selling a player for £70M who is 29 and on the last 2 years of a contract is brilliant, I would pack his bags myself if its true.
 
InLevyITrust said:
All absolute speculation, you have absolutely no idea what Levy is like in a commercial setting. Our commercial side of things is increasing year on year, most United fans agree Levy has done an amazing job in a league where backing and money come first. Its easier for the big European clubs to get commercial backing, now that we are in Europe consistently we are seeing bigger commercial backing. Things don't happen overnight unless your City and everything is bought.
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Speculation backed up by awful commercial growth numbers, irrespective of whether Spurs are finishing 6th or 2nd. You say year on year growth like that's an accomplishment, when in fact Spurs growth has been dreadful in comparison to any of their rivals.

If I'm the CEO of a company where all my competition are growing significantly faster than my own company then I think it's reasonable to assume that I'm not doing the best job.

It's humourous that Spurs fans think Levy's doing a great job despite no real evidence of this except the fortunate selection of Pochettino as manager on the 10th time of trying. United fans fall into this trap also though. Under Moyes our CEO was awful, under LVG he wasn't great but under Jose he's much better.

I'm just glad he isn't United's CEO whose only role in my view is to grow commercial revenue (which he's done phenomenally) and facilitate the managers requirements, which he's also done very well. Levy... Not so much (hence Pochettino reportedly requiring assurances of transfer funds prior to signing his new deal).
 
finneh said:
Speculation backed up by awful commercial growth numbers, irrespective of whether Spurs are finishing 6th or 2nd. You say year on year growth like that's an accomplishment, when in fact Spurs growth has been dreadful in comparison to any of their rivals.

If I'm the CEO of a company where all my competition are growing significantly faster than my own company then I think it's reasonable to assume that I'm not doing the best job.

It's humourous that Spurs fans think Levy's doing a great job despite no real evidence of this except the fortunate selection of Pochettino as manager on the 10th time of trying. United fans fall into this trap also though. Under Moyes our CEO was awful, under LVG he wasn't great but under Jose he's much better.

I'm just glad he isn't United's CEO whose only role in my view is to grow commercial revenue (which he's done phenomenally) and facilitate the managers requirements, which he's also done phenomenally. Levy... Not so much (hence Pochettino reportedly requiring assurances of transfer funds prior to signing his new deal).
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You are entitled to your opinion.
 
For all the money Levy is asking, don't you think Koulibaly would be better?

Or even a young CB like De Ligt / Skriniar?
 
InLevyITrust said:
Depends how you look at it, Toby wasn't going to sign a new deal it was really out of our hands. Selling a player for £70M who is 29 and on the last 2 years of a contract is brilliant, I would pack his bags myself if its true.
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It’s only a good deal if the extra money is used to improve the team. That wasn’t the case when Walker was sold.
 
finneh said:
… It's humourous that Spurs fans think Levy's doing a great job despite no real evidence of this except the fortunate selection of Pochettino as manager on the 10th time of trying. …
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There's quite a large slice of evidence currently approaching the final stage of construction in London N17. This follows on from the world class training centre we now have.

Both of the above have happened as a result of Levy's financial management. And they've happened during a period when Spurs have become an established top 4 team, despite there being 5 clubs with currently larger incomes.

So yes, Levy has been doing a great job.
 
GlastonSpur said:
There's quite a large slice of evidence currently approaching the final stage of construction in London N17. This follows on from the world class training centre we now have.

Both of the above have happened as a result of Levy's financial management. And they've happened during a period when Spurs have become an established top 4 team, despite there being 5 clubs with currently larger incomes.

So yes, Levy has been doing a great job.
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And all it took was 17 years and £500m worth of loans. It might even only be a few months behind schedule.
 
acnumber9 said:
And all it took was 17 years and £500m worth of loans. It might even only be a few months behind schedule.
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It's not behind schedule. The plan was to play all of our home games in our new stadium this coming season - and this we shall do.

Moreover, £500m worth of loans to build the best stadium in the UK sounds fine to me.

As for 17 years, better this than a stadium that never gets built @Chelsea fans
 
If it's going to be endless tedious wibble and arguing with GS about Spurs finances for the next month then we should lock this until after the WC. It's obvious nothing is going to happen until then, if at all.
 
GlastonSpur said:
It's not behind schedule. The plan was to play all of our home games in our new stadium this coming season - and this we shall do.

Moreover, £500m worth of loans to build the best stadium in the UK sounds fine to me.

As for 17 years, better this than a stadium that never gets built @Chelsea fans
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Well time will tell on that.

Entirely subjective but whatever floats your boat.

Irrelevant. I’m sure if you asked Chelsea fans if they would swap the last 17 years they’ve had for Spurs position the answer would be resounding laughter.
 
Hans Moleman said:
If it's going to be endless tedious wibble and arguing with GS about Spurs finances for the next month then we should lock this until after the WC. It's obvious nothing is going to happen until then, if at all.
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It amazes me that such an irrelevant club who are not a local rival and never win anything dominate so much discussion on here.
 
GlastonSpur said:
There's quite a large slice of evidence currently approaching the final stage of construction in London N17. This follows on from the world class training centre we now have.

Both of the above have happened as a result of Levy's financial management. And they've happened during a period when Spurs have become an established top 4 team, despite there being 5 clubs with currently larger incomes.

So yes, Levy has been doing a great job.
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The stadium is being paid for with a combination of a massive amount of debt and funds from the centrally negotiated Premier League deal and Champions League revenues as a result of Pochettino's great management and BT's financial investment.

If we're judging financial success based on events that are completely unrelated to Levy's stewardship of Spurs (apart from getting lucky with the manager) then whilst we are at it we may as well give credit to Alan Sugar for selling the club in the first place or the banks that are willing to lend Spurs the cash to build their stadium.

Or we can give credit to people based on their actual achievements... Like Pochettino for punching hugely above his weight or Kane for becoming one of the world's best strikers.
 
cyberman said:
I keep saying this but with the money staying in England, we'll see a lot more inner league transfers and their negotiation tactics of Dier for 90m isn't going to help them pick up the likes of Martial when they become available.
Especially with the money we all spend, our bloated squads will have all types of gems missing out yet Spurs could find themselves on the outside looking in with the way they interact with rival clubs.
They take stupid pleasure in wasting your time.
Just say they're not for sale, why would you even put a price on a player you don't want to lose? Just to look like billy big balls?
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C'est Moi Cantona said:
No idea why this guy would be worth the hassle, or why a CB is deemed such a priority this summer at all, we have decent cover there, and we need to strengthen in so many other areas that we don't.
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Because we only have cover for cover. Bailly is the only real quality centre back we have
 
hellohello said:
Glad to see someone think like that. I'm anti-plastic so I support you over City and Chelsea, always did. Not sure every United fans actually think like this as some seem to see Spurs as a club that try to interrupt with the established order of things.
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Most United fans on here have a greater deal of affection for Spurs than Arsenal, Chelsea or West Ham. There is just a certain poster that tarnishes it somewhat.

Anyway the way I see it, Spurs have effectively replaced Arsenal in the top order of things in the league.
 
Fer said:
For all the money Levy is asking, don't you think Koulibaly would be better?

Or even a young CB like De Ligt / Skriniar?
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Absolutely, not seen Skriniar but Koubilay is a considerably better defender already and DeLight is already very good and potentially world class. Alderweireld is of course a very good defender, already proven in the premiership, being the only difference
 
FlawlessThaw said:
Most United fans on here have a greater deal of affection for Spurs than Arsenal, Chelsea or West Ham. There is just a certain poster that tarnishes it somewhat.

Anyway the way I see it, Spurs have effectively replaced Arsenal in the top order of things in the league.
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On there other hand there are certain posters who go out of their way to ridicule us, not that I really mind, its football after all. Having said that though, considering we aren't a bought club, or an old title rival I don't quite understand the hate. I mean I can see this already, if Toby goes to United for a silly fee, we will still be branded a selling club and the "I don't care how much he costs" will be said. If Kane moves to Madrid we are a selling club, if he stays he has no ambition. A week ago Poch was off to Madrid, I mean why would he stay at Spurs, now its because he is in his comfort zone.

All this gets said when I hardly EVER see a Spurs member, well maybe baring one :lol:, here say anything much negative about United?
 
InLevyITrust said:
On there other hand there are certain posters who go out of their way to ridicule us, not that I really mind, its football after all. Having said that though, considering we aren't a bought club, or an old title rival I don't quite understand the hate. I mean I can see this already, if Toby goes to United for a silly fee, we will still be branded a selling club and the "I don't care how much he costs" will be said. If Kane moves to Madrid we are a selling club, if he stays he has no ambition. A week ago Poch was off to Madrid, I mean why would he stay at Spurs, now its because he is in his comfort zone.

All this gets said when I hardly EVER see a Spurs member, well maybe baring one :lol:, here say anything much negative about United?
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It's a broad forum, you will get all sorts of views on here. Happens every time United sign a player there is never going to be an unified agreement.

This is an United forum, first and foremost so there so many of us. There are what 10 Spurs fans on here? One of them is a complete numpty. Imagine 1 in 10 United fans on here being twattish and then you have your answer. Also Spurs are a competitor club so there will always be snide digs at it.
 
FlawlessThaw said:
It's a broad forum, you will get all sorts of views on here. Happens every time United sign a player there is never going to be an unified agreement.

This is an United forum, first and foremost so there so many of us. There are what 10 Spurs fans on here? One of them is a complete numpty. Imagine 1 in 10 United fans on here being twattish and then you have your answer. Also Spurs are a competitor club so there will always be snide digs at it.
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Fair points kind sir.
 
GlastonSpur said:
It's not behind schedule. The plan was to play all of our home games in our new stadium this coming season - and this we shall do.

Moreover, £500m worth of loans to build the best stadium in the UK sounds fine to me.

As for 17 years, better this than a stadium that never gets built @Chelsea fans
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By what criteria? Your new stadium is significantly smaller than OT and only very marginally bigger than Emirates.
 
Cal? said:
By what criteria? Your new stadium is significantly smaller than OT and only very marginally bigger than Emirates.
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Let's not take the thread any further off-topic. You can pose the question in the Spurs thread if you wish.
 
Cal? said:
Do explain what makes your new stadium the best in the UK? The cost? More expensive doesn't make it better.
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I didn't say it would be the best in the UK, it will certainly be the newest and shiniest and most advanced, we will have to wait and see what the atmosphere is like and if it lives up to how it was designed. I could talk about the dual use facility, or the fact its been developed with the idea of a family day out and more activities to participate in, the brewery etc, but at the end of the day I doubt that would really matter to a United fan.
 
InLevyITrust said:
I didn't say it would be the best in the UK, it will certainly be the newest and shiniest and most advanced, we will have to wait and see what the atmosphere is like and if it lives up to how it was designed. I could talk about the dual use facility, or the fact its been developed with the idea of a family day out and more activities to participate in, the brewery etc, but at the end of the day I doubt that would really matter to a United fan.
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Fair enough, it was @GlastonSpur who said it'd be the best in the UK.

It was a genuine question as all I know about your new stadium is the capacity and seen a new pictures.

Anyway, not the right thread so let's leave it at that.
 
finneh said:
Speculation backed up by awful commercial growth numbers, irrespective of whether Spurs are finishing 6th or 2nd. You say year on year growth like that's an accomplishment, when in fact Spurs growth has been dreadful in comparison to any of their rivals.

If I'm the CEO of a company where all my competition are growing significantly faster than my own company then I think it's reasonable to assume that I'm not doing the best job.

It's humourous that Spurs fans think Levy's doing a great job despite no real evidence of this except the fortunate selection of Pochettino as manager on the 10th time of trying. United fans fall into this trap also though. Under Moyes our CEO was awful, under LVG he wasn't great but under Jose he's much better.

I'm just glad he isn't United's CEO whose only role in my view is to grow commercial revenue (which he's done phenomenally) and facilitate the managers requirements, which he's also done very well. Levy... Not so much (hence Pochettino reportedly requiring assurances of transfer funds prior to signing his new deal).
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When he started our rivals were Villa and Everton, his performance has led us to rivaling yourself, that's how to judge him.

Edit we will never be as rich as you, using your basis for rivals.
 
jesperjaap said:
Because we only have cover for cover. Bailly is the only real quality centre back we have
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Nah that's not true, much as I'm not that keen myself most top-decent PL clubs would want Smalling, Jones & Rojo aren't the best for sure, but as back up for now it's not the worst situation, + surely we've not given up on Lindelof yet.

The point is that other positions are more pressing just now, at LB we are woefully short, midfield assuming Felliaini is off, and the plan is to play three in there most of the time, then we need at least one more, but probably two more, Lukaku will need proper competition/backup this season, and most importantly the RW finally needs sorting, so personally I just don't see the CB position as such an issue, especially for a player I've never really noticed as been that great, and one we're going to have a pants pulled down with by the sounds of things.
 
GlastonSpur said:
It's not behind schedule. The plan was to play all of our home games in our new stadium this coming season - and this we shall do.

Moreover, £500m worth of loans to build the best stadium in the UK sounds fine to me.

As for 17 years, better this than a stadium that never gets built @Chelsea fans
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Does your new stadium have a retractable roof? Would be perfect for boxing/Wwe events if it does.
 
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