To each their own. You’re just another Spurs fan that can’t handle anything but undying praise for your club. Spurs board have done a good job to keep the club in profit. Super stuff. That doesn’t change the fact that Spurs have done relatively well of late because they finally got lucky with a manager.
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Do you not risk de Ligt signing for someone else if you wait a whole month?
Yes, and so? Mere longevity doesn't make it the best stadium.
You got a very good young player there, I think he will be very special and a steal at the fee you got him. Maybe not quite ready for a full season, but I think he will have a good showing this season.
Neither does being new.
Ummmmmm I just said that ENIC haven't got it right all the time and have made mistakes, I can handle plenty of "well balanced criticism". You just seem to be another United fan who, due to the wealth of United and the legacy of Fergie, can't see anything else from another fans/clubs point of view.
I would actually prefer us to wait a year then. If he sucks this season then we saved 75m, and If he performs like he did the year before his injury then it is likely he is keeping that level for the 2-3 years, which will be good value at 25m. He will for sure be very hungry to join us then after Spurs wouldn't give him his dream move this summer.
CB is not really a position we desperately need to improve on immediately either. Smalling brings the stability and especially Bailly can improve heavily next season. Rojo might improve too, stranger things have happened.
There is no way we are paying 75 million. We could sign Lenglet for 35 million and then get Alderweireld for 25 next summer.
Exactly. We could sign Lenglet and De Ligt for a combined £75m, so there is no way we are spending that on one 29 year old player, who is available for £25m in a year.
Sure, you have other potential options, but Toby is your best option - and by some margin.
True. But simply being new is not of itself why the Spurs stadium is shaping up to be the best.
That isn't an analogy mate, it is your logic. At 75m or whatever, he isn't available. Nobody is going to entertain that. You said we should pay up, and if not:
Which is silly, don't you see? You can't tell me Spurs made United weaker by not selling them a good player? If that is something you actually believe and wont retract then please let me know. An actual analogy for that; it would be like saying United are strengthening you by not buying Alderweireld. Upside down logic, mate.
Spurs will be significantly weaker if they sell him, as they won't be able to attract a ready made player on his level. If they ask for too much and waits too long, they will lose out on their targets to replace him. If they keep him, they might have an unhappy player which may or may not play his best for you again. United have not been weakened nor will strengthen Spurs in any scenario.
Impossible to say as it hasn't even opened. It's not even completed.
He is nearing 30, coming off injury problems and overpriced. What exactly makes him the best option?
Added to the fact that centre back is not exactly a priority for us, I would imagine we are hardly in a panic over the whole thing.
Because he's better than any other CB you could realistically sign. Moreover he's Prem proven, experienced, settled in England and would walk into your first XI.
If you think you can do better than him then good luck to you.
I’m not sure how saying Spurs have done well because they got a good manager is evidence of that. How well were Spurs doing when they sacked Juande Ramos? You’re welcome to continue stretching though.
Does not address the fact that he is nearing 30 and coming off a serious injury.
Milan Skriniar, Koulibaly and Marquinhos are options I would rather go with. Koulibaly specifically is a better player and younger. If we are going for someone for a short term option I would rather buy Bonucci.
All that said, I don't think we particularly need a centre back and if we were going to realistically buy one of your players I would want it to be Danny Rose.
Why would you want another injury prone player
As far as I know he has had one major injury, not ideal but he is a very good player. I don't really think there are many great left backs around let alone ones who are available and have been reasonably open about there desire to play here.
We were doing shit, it was a terrible appointment, what's your point? Santini and Gross were shit too, although TBH all had good credentials. That doesn't alter the fact that as a club we have grown massively since 2001, when e could easily have done a Villa or Newcastle.
The point is what it has always been. Spurs are ‘competing’ with teams with higher resources because they finally have a manager capable of doing that. No matter how good Levy was you weren’t doing it regularly before Pochettino. So therefore we’re back to my original point. It’s got a lot more to do with getting lucky at the tenth time of asking.
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You are ignoring so much in between, we were building up year after year, with the odd setback. Harry got us in the top 4 and could have again if it wasn't for Chelsea winning the CL. You are completely ignoring the infrastructure that has been put in place and the yearly increase in finances. You keep saying we got "lucky" with Poch, I don't see it. You should know how difficult it is even for the biggest clubs to get it right with managers. Anyway this isn't the thread for it.
If you want to believe ENIC has nothing to do with where the club is ATM that's your prerogative, I disagree.
We could get Boateng for 70m and he's a better CB.
We can, hope you keep your expensive CB and he walks away for free.
That would be in 2 years time.
I dont care when it is, I'm not expecting him to come here on a free. But the kind of money you guys want freezes him off the market so I hope nobody pays it
Why does everyone get hung up on rumoured transfer fees? You're arguing about hot air.
I don't think Levy is expecting £75M or anywhere near it from anyone else, its clear we are interested in Martial so why should we negotiate when United won't? Also before anyone pipes up I am not suggesting a swap deal. Id snap the hand off Woody if the £55M offer is on the table, Martial or no Martial. If we get £70 for Toby I would actually laugh myself silly at how stupid and crazy the game has become for some clubs.
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A year is a very long time in football, so talk of coming back in a year isn't as obvious a strategy as it sounds.
But it definitely sounds like we need to walk right away from this one. Way too high fees being talked for a guy who can't guarantee fitness. We talk about this with Rose and Bale, so it's got to be a big factor with this guy too. Especially before you apply the "United centre back injury jinx"
But it definitely sounds like we need to walk right away from this one. Way too high fees being talked for a guy who can't guarantee fitness. We talk about this with Rose and Bale, so it's got to be a big factor with this guy too. Especially before you apply the "United centre back injury jinx"
In truth your increase in finances is almost exclusively down to the TV deals negotiated by Scudamore, so I'm not sure Levy or ENIC can take any credit for that.
In fact Levy's success commercially over the past decade has been nothing short of an abomination. One of the biggest clubs in London and when you compare the deals Chelsea have been doing to Tottenham it's quite staggering.
Great sum up. It's just not worth it, and it's not like United's stuck up in a corner on this one. There's a World Cup coming up, that usually produces new prospects and stars. Even VNL could come good with a good Swedish run and be that ball playing cb we need.
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Two years without being motivated and possibly causing unrest, certainly not giving 100% as he would feel Tottenham is no longer his club. Would be a terrible decision now that he wants to win trophies with a bigger and better club - either in England or abroad.
I think you should go and have a look at that again, Chelsea have had a billionaire backer(not exactly the cleanest one in town either), its much easier for them. You pick one club, with a sugar daddy, to win an argument, that wont wash. Again you are talking absolute rubbish and I really don't see why you want to keep it going, but that's your own agenda. TV revenue is a given for all clubs revenue increasing
.Never said it wouldn't, I was simply saying he wont be a free transfer for 2 years....
I'm not talking about United. I never was.
Spurs are where they are in spite of Levy's transfer business. Pochettino is a great manager. The academy is very good. Harry Kane is a once in a lifetime academy product.
What is mind boggling or ignorant about reinforcing the fact that Spurs have poor starts to the season in relation to their finishes?
Is is pot luck? Or could it be because the squad has still not been settled prior to the season beginning?
Off you go then.
We cant afford to compete with the big boys in transfer fees, we have to wait. I live with it. Oh and if Harry had his shooting boots on earlier we would probably do better.
I think you should go and have a look at that again, Chelsea have had a billionaire backer(not exactly the cleanest one in town either), its much easier for them. You pick one club, with a sugar daddy, to win an argument, that wont wash. Again you are talking absolute rubbish and I really don't see why you want to keep it going, but that's your own agenda. TV revenue is a given for all clubs revenue increasing
Your commercial revenue was £73m for the 16/17 season. If you don't want to compare Levy's performance to Chelsea let's compare it to Liverpool who don't even have the benefit of being in London. Their commercial revenue was £136m or a shade under double.
The only revenue stream that Levy is responsible for has grown at a tragic rate in comparison to every other good team and the only revenue stream that has grown at a fantastic rate is TV revenue which is negotiated by others.
Pochettino is responsible for getting CL revenue, BT are responsible for the amount of said revenue and Scudamore is responsible for the PL revenue.
The only source of revenue changeable by a good CEO as a portion of total revenue stood at 24% and £73m. Compared with United 47% and £279m, Chelsea 38% and £140m, Liverpool 38% and £139m; and Arsenal 28% and £117m. Spurs are light-years away because Levy is more bothered about squeezing a few million out of transfers than sorting out his commercial department. His take it or leave it attitude that sometimes works in selling and buying players hugely turns off sponsors. Hence the £20+m stadium deal he was touting still being a fairytale.
That's of course ignoring City's increases which are down to the owners mates.
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I'd be annoyed at us paying 55 million too, but then again I guess I am quite disillusioned with the state of transfer fees. I don't consider him in the same league as Van Dijk and I'm not sure there are too many other, more similar examples of CBs who cost anywhere near that amount. Maybe you could say Stones and Laporte, but they were young CBs who City must believe will become a lot better than they are currently. Thats not the case with Alderweireld as he's 29.
I think he's a different style of CB rather than an improvement of what we have. And yes that change of style could suit us so I don't mind us signing him, but I'd honestly prefer it if we found someone else with his ball skills and took a chance on them instead.
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[@ESPN] understands Man Utd are ‘on the brink of succumbing’ to Tottenham Hotspur’s minimum fee demand for Toby Alderweireld.
These claims are now backed up by Belgian paper [Het Laatste] which suggests a €79.8million transfer could be ‘tied up’ in the coming days.#THFC #COYS
@RickSpur[@ESPN] understands Man Utd are ‘on the brink of succumbing’ to Tottenham Hotspur’s minimum fee demand for Toby Alderweireld.
These claims are now backed up by Belgian paper [Het Laatste] which suggests a €79.8million transfer could be ‘tied up’ in the coming days.#THFC #COYS
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