Toby Alderweireld

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As much as I would love Alderweireld to sign for us anything above £55 million is ridiculous and simply a case of Levy trying to make us pay that ‘United Tax’ that we seem to end up having to pay for players, we’d most likely get De Ligt for £40 million and I honestly believe from what I’ve seen of him he’s going to be the best centre back in football for the next decade.

FootyGirl88 said:
Even £55mil is too much tbh, why did Levy let Walker go to city for less even though he's younger and had more years left on his contract?
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Because Levy would most likely be happier to sell to City than us as outside of Carrick he’s always gone overboard hardball in dealing with us as opposed to any other club. Bale, Modric, Berbatov, Rose, Dier and I’m sure there’s discreetly been others but Levy just seems to hate us so much it’s as if a United director or player fecked his wife.
 
FootyGirl88 said:
Even £55mil is too much tbh, why did Levy let Walker go to city for less even though he's younger and had more years left on his contract?
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55 is fair, just over double next years release clause

Levy is an idiot if he thinks he's getting anywhere near VVD money though who is younger and had longer left on his contract (Alderweireld is undoubtedly better though)
 
Glad we are playing hardball with him. He's not the only good CD out there (albeit he is a good one), but trying to get anything like a decent deal out of Levy is impossible.

If they're going to be hard-headed, I'd prefer us to find another player, and Toby goes to another country on the cheap next season.

He'd be a good Vermaelen replacement.
 
FootyGirl88 said:
Even £55mil is too much tbh, why did Levy let Walker go to city for less even though he's younger and had more years left on his contract?
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It should be £40m considering all that. Spurs won't be willing to keep both Alderweireld and Rose on the bench again next season. £35m should do it. If they don't accept our offer of £30m, we split. Levy is a fecking Pep Guardiola is my idol.
 
I think 55 million is more than fair.
Fekir was supposed to cost 53 million plus add ons and he is one of the best players in Ligue 1,a French National Team regular, he's 24 and above all a forward.
I get the United tax bit, but at the end of the day, he's a 29 year old CB, with a 25 million pound clause kicking in next year with injury concerns.
I would have loved to see Aldereweireid playing for us, but for that price, I wouldn't blame the club for just walking away.
 
I wouldn’t have gone over £40 million personally. Interesting to see who our plan B actually is.
 
I just dont understand this concept of ‘hard negotiator’ when all Levy is is a fecking leach! We are told clubs undertake an ardous, complex and studied evaluation of each transfer target when from the outside it just appears like market stall dealings!

Utd simply need to walk away rather than entertain any offer above £35m even with our Utd inflation. Spuds are well on the way to alienating every club in the PL and several outside, when things are not going well for them and they resort to panic buys, they will get a taste if their own medicine.
 
Cee90 said:
I wouldn’t have gone over £40 million personally. Interesting to see who our plan B actually is.
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I agree with this and I desperately wish we spend that money on De Ligt, kid will be a star CB for the next decade. I am even ok with buying him now and loaning him back a season to Ajax, that's how desperate I am
 
Well at least they are getting a taste of their own medicine, they can only dream of signing Martial. Feck them, with 75m pounds we can shop for CB anywhere we want.
 
Personally, I wouldn't offer more than £40m for him. Levy is living in a dream-world if he thinks £75m is a fair price for a bloke of Toby's age who will be available for relative peanuts next summer. If we're willing to pay £55m, make that the final offer and walk away by next week if they won't budge.
 
Take him on the cheap next summer we can make do with what we got next sesaon if we strengthen lb, cm and rw.
 
We should walk away and come back for him next summer on the cheap, shouldn’t be offering more than 40m. I’m of the opinion you only should be paying stupid money for the attackers.
 
Rajma said:
We should walk away and come back for him next summer on the cheap, shouldn’t be offering more than 40m. I’m of the opinion you only should be paying stupid money for the attackers.
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I don't understand posts like this, players like Alderweireld could be the difference between success and failure so people are happy to go another season without success? I'll remind them of that when they're calling for the managers head next season
 
charlenefan said:
I don't understand posts like this, players like Alderweireld could be the difference between success and failure so people are happy to go another season without success? I'll remind them of that when they're calling for the managers head next season
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I don’t think he’s worth the touted money? It’s not like he’s prime Maldini far from it in fact, his injury record leaves a lot to be desired too and you never know how he finds it in the new team/system/expectations/pressure. You have to remember that we’re on the budget and I rather us invest in quality RW and LB, those are really pressing issues.

Edit: and Jose signed two CBs already
 
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Levy is just a cretin. Utterly unreasonable when you want something from him, and you just know he'd give us a pitiful low-ball offer for Martial. We have more pressing concerns than CB and if we're set on Toby then just wait a year to get him for 25m.
 
Hawks2008 said:
Levy is just a cretin. Utterly unreasonable when you want something from him, and you just know he'd give us a pitiful low-ball offer for Martial. We have more pressing concerns than CB and if we're set on Toby then just wait a year to get him for 25m.
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Levy sells, Tottenham are a selling club, Levy drives hard bargain, Levy is a cretin... couldn't make it up :lol:.
 
Walk away. Centre back shouldn’t even be a priority when we still have Valencia (possibly less so seeing how highly rated Dalot seems to be) and Ashley Young as a starting fullbacks.
 
goober88 said:
It should be £40m considering all that. Spurs won't be willing to keep both Alderweireld and Rose on the bench again next season. £35m should do it. If they don't accept our offer of £30m, we split. Levy is a fecking Pep Guardiola is my idol.
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Why would Spurs even want to keep both Rose and Toby on the bench next season? If both are still with Spurs then it enable us to play what is - IMO - our best formation, with Toby as the centre of a back 3 and Trippier and Rose as wingbacks.

It's a mistake to assume that Spurs are keen to sell Toby this summer because of his contract situation. Levy's top priority is for next season - being our first in the new stadium - to be a success, not just for footballing reasons but also for commercial reasons to do with sponsorship deals, including stadium naming rights. The gain from these deals will potentially far outweigh losing £25m (or whatever) if we have sell Toby for his release clause next summer.

So there's a bigger picture here than just Toby's contract situation. And so selling him now for just £35m (as per your post) - or even £50m - doesn't have the great attraction for Spurs that some United fans may suppose it does.
 
The CB situation is an absolute mess at Utd. Even if we sign him, still leaves me wondering who's gonna play next to him. I guess it's probably Bailly but Cant see us having say Jones and Smalling on the bench. I suspect one of these are going to leave this window and the poker game is not showing our hand. Can't get any out until you def get one in....
 
GlastonSpur said:
Why would Spurs even want to keep both Rose and Toby on the bench next season? If both are still with Spurs then it enable us to play what is - IMO - our best formation, with Toby as the centre of a back 3 and Trippier and Rose as wingbacks.
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Why did Spurs keep them on the bench all this season? It's pretty clear Pochettino wants to move on.

GlastonSpur said:
It's a mistake to assume that Spurs are keen to sell Toby this summer because of his contract situation. Levy's top priority is for next season - being our first in the new stadium - to be a success, not just for footballing reasons but also for commercial reasons to do with sponsorship deals, including stadium naming rights. The gain from these deals will potentially far outweigh losing £25m (or whatever) if we have sell Toby for his release clause next summer.
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I assume that Spurs want to sell him because Spurs want to sell him. Levy can say whatever he wants, demand a fee of £75m but his hips are saying please plunder me. And you know what far outweighs £25m? £40m this summer and a new signing who's committed to the club instead of one who's just taking home wages.

GlastonSpur said:
So there's a bigger picture here than just Toby's contract situation. And so selling him now for just £35m (as per your post) - or even £50m - doesn't have the great attraction for Spurs that some United fans may suppose it does.
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There's nothing special about Spurs. Rules don't change because you have all this newfound wealth. £40m now is still better than £25m next summer. And a player that the manager wants and who is totally committed is still better than a player a manager doesn't see as part of his plans and who has one eye on the exit.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Why would Spurs even want to keep both Rose and Toby on the bench next season? If both are still with Spurs then it enable us to play what is - IMO - our best formation, with Toby as the centre of a back 3 and Trippier and Rose as wingbacks.

It's a mistake to assume that Spurs are keen to sell Toby this summer because of his contract situation. Levy's top priority is for next season - being our first in the new stadium - to be a success, not just for footballing reasons but also for commercial reasons to do with sponsorship deals, including stadium naming rights. The gain from these deals will potentially far outweigh losing £25m (or whatever) if we have sell Toby for his release clause next summer.

So there's a bigger picture here than just Toby's contract situation. And so selling him now for just £35m (as per your post) - or even £50m - doesn't have the great attraction for Spurs that some United fans may suppose it does.
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I think you're living in lala land of you believe that Levy would be willing to lose £25m over the next 12 months just to keep Alderweireld. Spurs have never been in a position to do that and certainly aren't now with hundreds of millions of stadium debt looming over them.

It's standard Levy tactics. He'll refuse all reasonable offers for the entire Summer and then when no better offers are made if there is still a £50m offer on the table he'll squeeze another £2-3m out of the buying club, but at the expense of having enough time to replace the player.

The obvious thing to do would be to get Alderweireld out of the door earlier, replace him with someone like De Ligt and give the latter a full pre season under his belt. He'll prioritise that extra few £m over what's best for the team though.
 
GlastonSpur said:
It's a mistake to assume that Spurs are keen to sell Toby this summer because of his contract situation. Levy's top priority is for next season - being our first in the new stadium - to be a success, not just for footballing reasons but also for commercial reasons to do with sponsorship deals, including stadium naming rights. The gain from these deals will potentially far outweigh losing £25m (or whatever) if we have sell Toby for his release clause next summer.
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Will you even be in your new stadium next season? Last I heard it sounded like you guys were struggling to get it ready in time and it may have to wait until the following season (since apparently you can't play your home matches in two different stadiums in the same season).
 
MadDogg said:
Will you even be in your new stadium next season? Last I heard it sounded like you guys were struggling to get it ready in time and it may have to wait until the following season (since apparently you can't play your home matches in two different stadiums in the same season).
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We will play a run of games away, the stadium will be ready for September, a test event is planned for August. Its the usual media circus.
 
finneh said:
I think you're living in lala land of you believe that Levy would be willing to lose £25m over the next 12 months just to keep Alderweireld. Spurs have never been in a position to do that and certainly aren't now with hundreds of millions of stadium debt looming over them.
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Might depend on whether the manager intends to play him most games. If Pochettino sees Alderweireld as a starter then Levy might be willing to lose 20-25m for that extra season. That isn't 'that' much money these days (as disgusting as that sounds), especially if they hope that we and any other bigger clubs might have moved on to other options by that stage leaving Spurs as Alderweireld's best option. That 25m might end up getting an extra three or four seasons out of him in that case.

If Alderweireld won't be a starter though, he'll be gone for sure.

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We will play a run of games away, the stadium will be ready for September, a test event is planned for August. Its the usual media circus.
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Fair enough. First I heard of it was in the England match the other night, I turned it on just as the commentators were talking about it.
 
goober88 said:
Why did Spurs keep them on the bench all this season? It's pretty clear Pochettino wants to move on. We didn't keep them on the bench all last season - Toby was out injured for a long period and played in most of the games when he wasn't injured. Likewise Rose was out for a long period injured and was rotated with Davies when he wasn't injured.


I assume that Spurs want to sell him because Spurs want to sell him. Levy can say whatever he wants, demand a fee of £75m but his hips are saying please plunder me. And you know what far outweighs £25m? £40m this summer and a new signing who's committed to the club instead of one who's just taking home wages. No, our first choice is for him to sign a new contract - which he still might. And I've explained the wider commercial picture already, but you've just ignored all that.


There's nothing special about Spurs. Rules don't change because you have all this newfound wealth. £40m now is still better than £25m next summer. And a player that the manager wants and who is totally committed is still better than a player a manager doesn't see as part of his plans and who has one eye on the exit. The situation with Toby at Spurs is a lot more complicated that you credit - so if United want Toby they ignore those complications at their peril. £40m won't cut it.
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Leave the £50m offer sitting on the table and say no more. Levy will start to sweat towards the end of the window, as Alderweireld refuses to sign a new Contract. In the last days of the window he can either accept £50m or waste £25m by keeping him another season, with his £25m release clause triggered next summer. Can Spurs afford to ‘throw away’ £25m like that when they have £400m stadium repayments? Also they would be keeping an unhappy player.
 
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Wasn't Alderweireld excluded from the squad for the big games?
He didn't travel to Turin and was absent from the squad when United played Spurs in the FA Cup.
Also he won't be signing a new contract now, I don't think the Spurs fans are that naive to believe that.
The offer has been on the table for ages and he has shown no intent of signing but now, when big clubs are interested in him, he's ready to sign the contract.
Yup, makes total sense.

The only complication in this situation is Levy. He wants Martial or 75 million for Toby.
We have clearly spoken to the player and he has given the go ahead, which means he is not interested in renewing.
 
charlenefan said:
I don't understand posts like this, players like Alderweireld could be the difference between success and failure so people are happy to go another season without success? I'll remind them of that when they're calling for the managers head next season
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We had one of the best defences in the league last year. I don’t think the improvement Alderweireld would bring will make the difference between us and City. That money could definitely be used to better effect elsewhere in the team rather than at CB where we’re well stocked with reasonable quality centre halves. We have no left back, are thin in midfield and have been making do on the right wing since Nani left.
 
MadDogg said:
Might depend on whether the manager intends to play him most games. If Pochettino sees Alderweireld as a starter then Levy might be willing to lose 20-25m for that extra season. That isn't 'that' much money these days (as disgusting as that sounds), especially if they hope that we and any other bigger clubs might have moved on to other options by that stage leaving Spurs as Alderweireld's best option. That 25m might end up getting an extra three or four seasons out of him in that case.

If Alderweireld won't be a starter though, he'll be gone for sure.
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I disagree. £25m might be little to the United's and City's of this world, but it's still a big deal to Levy. Did you see how the negotiations went with Aaron Lennon... They held out for months to get an extra few million and eventually had to let him leave at the end of the window for under £5m. Levy's tactics work sometimes but on the whole I think they're a net negative on Spurs.

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Leave the £50m offer sitting on the table and say no more. Levy will start to sweat towards the end of the window, as Alderweireld refuses to sign a new Contract. In the last days of the window he can either accept £50m or waste £25m by keeping him another season, with his £25m release clause triggered next summer. Can Spurs afford to ‘throw away’ £25m like that when they have £400m stadium repayments? Also they would be keeping an unhappy player.
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I'd go one step further. I'd say £50m is on the table until our first pre-season game, upon which time that reduces to £40m. The last thing I'd want in Woodward or Mourinho's position is a deadline deal dance with Levy.
 
finneh said:
I disagree. £25m might be little to the United's and City's of this world, but it's still a big deal to Levy. Did you see how the negotiations went with Aaron Lennon... They held out for months to get an extra few million and eventually had to let him leave at the end of the window for under £5m. Levy's tactics work sometimes but on the whole I think they're a net negative on Spurs.



I'd go one step further. I'd say £50m is on the table until our first pre-season game, upon which time that reduces to under £45m.

The last thing I'd want in Woodward or Mourinho's position is a deadline deal dance with Levy.
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I must of missed that saga.
 
finneh said:
I disagree. £25m might be little to the United's and City's of this world, but it's still a big deal to Levy. Did you see how the negotiations went with Aaron Lennon... They held out for months to get an extra few million and eventually had to let him leave at the end of the window for under £5m. Levy's tactics work sometimes but on the whole I think they're a net negative on Spurs.



I'd go one step further. I'd say £50m is on the table until our first pre-season game, upon which time that reduces to £40m. The last thing I'd want in Woodward or Mourinho's position is a deadline deal dance with Levy.
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They really aren't - which is why partly how we've assembled a very valuable squad with an incredibly low net spend.
 
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Alderweireld didn't play against City, Chelsea and us. And Rose played about ten games in the PL since he came back in October. Both of those things are Pochettino not wanting those players i.e. Spurs wanting to sell.

The wider commercial picture is irrelevant. Levy's job is to do the best for Spurs. And if that means £40m now instead of £25m next summer, so be it. And he won't play hardball because he can't. Modrix was in the middle of a six year contract when Real Madrid wanted him. Alderweireld has one year left and a clause in his contract. The leverage isn't there. Levy's hard-man routine is coming to an end.
 
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They really aren't - which is why partly how we've assembled a very valuable squad with an incredibly low net spend.
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From an accounting point out view of course it's a positive, a few million per transfer adds up. I'm talking about the effect on the team and the results. Spurs tend to be slow starters and in my view that's partly on Levy and his transfer strategy. No trophies in over a decade is failure however anyone spins it and as the man at the top he has to take responsibility for that failure.
 
goober88 said:
@GlastonSpur
Alderweireld didn't play against City, Chelsea and us. And Rose played about ten games in the PL since he came back in October. Both of those things are Pochettino not wanting those players i.e. Spurs wanting to sell.

The wider commercial picture is irrelevant. Levy's job is to do the best for Spurs. And if that means £40m now instead of £25m next summer, so be it. And he won't play hardball because he can't. Modrix was in the middle of a six year contract when Real Madrid wanted him. Alderweireld has one year left and a clause in his contract. The leverage isn't there. Levy's hard-man routine is coming to an end.
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Rose had other issues which are pretty well publicised. As for Toby it was a serious injury he was coming back from but yes he was benched.
 
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@GlastonSpur
Alderweireld didn't play against City, Chelsea and us. And Rose played about ten games in the PL since he came back in October. Both of those things are Pochettino not wanting those players i.e. Spurs wanting to sell.

The wider commercial picture is irrelevant. Levy's job is to do the best for Spurs. And if that means £40m now instead of £25m next summer, so be it. And he won't play hardball because he can't. Modrix was in the middle of a six year contract when Real Madrid wanted him. Alderweireld has one year left and a clause in his contract. The leverage isn't there. Levy's hard-man routine is coming to an end.
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Rose had other issues going on, besides physical injury. I'd doubt we're looking to sell him.

And sorry, but the wider commercial picture is not irrelevant. If next season is successful partly because we still have Toby and can play a back 3 formation, and if that leads for example to a lucrative stadium naming rights deal, then the gains from that will dwarf losing £15m (or whatever) because we didn't sell him this summer.
 
I Hope we don't get him. He is a very good centre back but Spurs won't sell him for a price that reflects his age, contract and injury record. I also still have confidence that Lindelof and Bailly will work out as a partnership.
 
At least this season the window closes before the start of the season, so we don’t have the farcical situation of players playing the first 4 games of the season, or being left out as their minds are ‘elsewhere’ before being transferred.

He’s a good player, who would improve us, but he’s not essential. Likely to depend on how much he wants to move to us, doubt we would be interested in a year, as if we don’t sign him, we will get someone else.
 
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