I wouldn't pay more than 40M for Alderweireld, 55 million talk is a joke.
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He has already concluded that's the way he wants to set up going by what we have seen over the last 2 seasons. Not sure if they have any attacking plans drawn up and practiced in training, because the team sure as hell does not look like they have a clue. We simply rely too much on opportunistic goals instead of a proper attacking plan which will open up a defense. Hopefully Carrick and whoever else is brought in can get into his fecking ears and actually create a plan where we retain the ball, pass, and have the players make movements up front that frees them up from their defenders.
Petty? We have a price we want and are perfectly able to ask it, while Toby hasn’t signed a new contract there hasn’t been much from him, if he is so unhappy let him hand in his transfer request.
Of course its petty. Its pretty ridiculous to ask 70m on a 29 year old whose fee will go down to 25m next summer. We're not talking about prime Maldini here.
As said, I hope we walk out of the deal but not after sorting things out with his agent. Next summer we'll promise we'll get back to him with more money then we will be giving him now. All he's got to do is to take extreme care of himself. If that means pulling out from important games with a phantom injury then we'll surely understand.
Big fan of Alderweireld, but no fecking way would I pay 50 million for him, not at his age and coming back from that injury, and his standing in the Spurs team. We need a defender who has ability, but also used his brains. Toby would have been a decent fit, but there are a lot of other options out there.
I don’t think Levy is asking anywhere near that figure for him, same as we didn’t offer £20M for Martial last summer but if you choose to believe the rags that’s you choice.
We can only discuss what is being thrown at us. I won't be surprised if the media is right on this one considering we're talking about Levy.
Anyway in my opinion anything beyond the 40m mark would be ridiculous.
Yeah 75m they can shove that up their posteriors. Varane I wouldn't fancy. Gets a lot of injuries and is prone to brain farts. I think Giminez at Atletico is cheaper, better and more reliable but he's not going anywhere either given that he signed a new deal and they don't need to sell.
Maybe time to give TFM some minutes.
I’m not to different from your valuation, I don’t maybe add £5-10M and I’d happily see him in United red next season.
It was ESPN, not the Star or the Express, but you’re right it should taken with a grain of salt. I do think what is not in doubt is that that Spurs intend to sell Dembele and Alderweireld and maximise their profits to fund Pochettino in the market. There are extremely valid concerns on here about overpaying for Alderweireld, myself included. I certainly hope United walk away if Spurs asking price is ridiculous. Also, I do wish people could decouple talking about Alderweireld and Martial as if they’re inextricably linked, but my wishes often go unfulfilled.
Agreed. I’ll admit I’m not great at throwing out names, unless I feel strongly about a player I’ve seen more than once and really rate. I just think that regardless of the names, for 70-75 million we should be looking at a different class of defender, and in my opinion, we should be looking at game changing attacking players. Like Garreff Bale, misspelling intended for effect.
Linked no of course not, but I, pretty sure if Woddy said we will sell you Martial, Levy would have a wink and a smile and be a lot easier to negotiate with.
Thought that was my problem only. I pretty much copy and paste his name from google each time I want to talk about him. I had the same problem with several players most notably Bastian so I only call him that way.
The thought of Levy winking and smiling is utterly revolting. Also, why is there is this assumption that Martial would agree to go to Spurs? (And it’s not just you Spursy Lot, some of ours, too). This whole “swap deal” idea is way too overblown, just because it happened with Mkhitaryan and Sanchez, people assume it will be the norm, when historically it’s quite rare.
And again, please don’t mention him smiling and winking, I might wretch up my first pint of the evening.
A lot of money for a player close to 30.
He was open to joining us before you signed him, he is young and I don’t see him walking into any elite side so I see no reason why he wouldn’t be open to it, why would he be against it. I did actually look for a winking Levy but he is more of a grinner
.What does that mean exactly? Once your form starts dropping off in your late 20s, it's never coming back?
Kaká at Madrid was exactly as you describe - clearly on the decline and never recovered. I think in his case, and for most other top players who suffer a similar fate, it can be attributed to injury. Henry looked to be in decline in his first season at Barca, but ended up bouncing back to become an important player in their treble. He put that down to a combination of underlying injuries, homesickness, being played out of position - the niggly things that are hard to quantify. And then there was the more extreme case of someone like Dzeko, who didn't even manage double figures in his first season at Roma but then followed it up by becoming Serie A's top scorer, scoring the most goals in a single season for Roma and probably hitting his career peak at 31.
You're painting a picture of a linear decline the moment your form starts to wobble in your late 20s, but the reality is his career can go in all sorts of directions from here. Sanchez will know this himself having played alongside Di Natale, a player who didn't manage a 20-goal season once in his 20s, but went on to do it 5 times in his 30s. Di Natale's late peak is clearly not the norm but neither is a linear decline after an initial rocky start. We're only talking about 4 months here. People always seem to have this idea that all star players make an instant impact at a big club. The reality is a bit different.
After 12 league starts, Sanchez has 2 goals and 3 assists. After 12 league starts for Suarez at Barcelona, he had 2 goals and 5 assists. He went on to score 20 goals and get 12 assists in the 2nd half of the season. That was Suarez at 27. This year he followed a very similar pattern - in his first 12 league starts he managed just 6 goals and 1 assist, in his final 20 he managed 19 goals and 11 assists. Suarez is 2 years older than Sanchez too. It's pretty clear that footballers' trajectories aren't that linear or predictable. I'd guess the same as you - he looks in decline now. But that's clearly only a guess. 4 months at a new club isn't enough time to make any kind of useful assessment.
I would buy Lenglet now and tell him to wait 1 more year and get him for £25m next year.
World class form, yes that's generally correct.
Weird. The caf has come to such a strange consensus on age these days
He will still be productive no doubt, but nowhere near 350k/wk (after tax) levels of productive.
@GlastonSpur might take issue with you not calling yourselves an elite sideHe was open to joining us before you signed him, he is young and I don’t see him walking into any elite side so I see no reason why he wouldn’t be open to it, why would he be against it. I did actually look for a winking Levy but he is more of a grinner
Cat fight!@GlastonSpur might take issue with you not calling yourselves an elite side
We aren’t an elite club I have no problem saying it, we are improving year in year out but need to start winning, and winning regularly to kick on. I respect @GlastonSpur totally and believe he gets a lot of unwarranted shit.
All honesty though, if you’re gonna buy in to media reports that Martial was open to Spurs from Monaco, then you might buy into media reports (or just common sense) that Spurs are gonna try to fleece us for Alderweireld.He was open to joining us before you signed him, he is young and I don’t see him walking into any elite side so I see no reason why he wouldn’t be open to it, why would he be against it. I did actually look for a winking Levy but he is more of a grinner
So, from a Spurs fan perspective, would you agree that:
1) Spurs are deliberately selling Dembele and Alderweireld now to fund Pochettino in the market this Summer, and they’ll seek to maximize their profits on those sales?
2) Every United fan is justified in being very weary of entering into negotiations for Alderweireld, if indeed we might be interested in his services?
When you take this Martial stuff out of the equation, what it really comes down to is if Spurs can be reasonable in negotiations, or if they really want something similar to the Van Dijk transfer fee. If that’s the case, I think United should walk, simple.
Fair play. It was a joke, btw
Well we were clearly in negotiations with Monaco so I don’t think it was just speculation, we wouldn’t have been if he wasn’t willing to entertain the notion of joining us.
I dont think we are deliberately selling either, Toby wants out whether it be for money or silverware I don’t know. Dembele wants a contract IMO that we aren’t willing to get into, his fitness is always a concern as much as I love the guy he is never 100% fit. If both were willing to stay on agreeable terms both would IMO, if that is Poch wanted them to.
As for negotiating with Levy? My username says it all I love the guy but if he was a used car salesman I would drive on
.Leaves me cold this one, so not really bothered, tbh not even sure if a CB should be a priority this summer when so much else is needed.
I have to disagree with you here, mate. I think if you extend Dembele and Alderweireld you’re foregoing potentially astronomical transfer fees now, instead of getting potentially nothing if you extend. These are players in their prime, seeking their last big bumper contract, and their value isn’t ever going to be higher.Well we were clearly in negotiations with Monaco so I don’t think it was just speculation, we wouldn’t have been if he wasn’t willing to entertain the notion of joining us.
I dont think we are deliberately selling either, Toby wants out whether it be for money or silverware I don’t know. Dembele wants a contract IMO that we aren’t willing to get into, his fitness is always a concern as much as I love the guy he is never 100% fit. If both were willing to stay on agreeable terms both would IMO, if that is Poch wanted them to.
As for negotiating with Levy? My username says it all I love the guy but if he was a used car salesman I would drive on
I think Spurs have engineered this situation just as much as the players. I think you’re looking to cash out.
Toby from what I know has been offered a new contract and refused, Dembele I can’t agree. He is a player that needs constant management, back and hip problems have stopped him from becoming probably a world class midfielder and at coming 31 next month I’d say is on his decline from prime.
@GlastonSpur might take issue with you not calling yourselves an elite side
I don't take issue with this. What I've said is that Levy's plan is to establish Spurs as an elite club - and I've elsewhere outlined many of milestones along the path to this.
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There are two things in your post I disagree with:
* Toby is world class in my view.
* It isn't accurate to imply that he's no longer first choice at Spurs due to playing ability. If he re-committed to the club then we'd play at 3 the back IMO in most games: Sanchez - Toby - Vertonghen. It's simply that in the absence of re-commitment Poch has rightly concluded that there's no point in a playing a system that not strong enough without Toby in it (Dier is not great as a CB and we need him in CM anyway) - and so he's reverted to a back four and chosen to bed in Sanchez in that rather than use a player (Toby) who looks to be leaving.
In my view the world-class status of Toby balances out the age differential with Martial, who might never become world class.
Do they include winning something at some point
On topic...£55m?
go home Spurs, you're drunk!Do they include winning something at some point
On topic...£55m?
Yes, of course.
They let in ten more goals and fell behind in the table. Just saying
Wow you have railroaded Sanchez' career after only 6 months with us? Genuinely shocked you typed that and not a twitter disciple.
A non-world class Alexis is still a very good player - just not the player Arsenal got from Barca. That was the time to buy him.
If it were Madrid it wouldn't be that high of an asking price and you know it.
We tried!
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