We cant spell his second name.
Toby Alderweireld
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The fact that this obviously bothers you is hilarious
It's in the thread title mate
Toby Alderweireld certainly was not the best centre back last year in the PL, he hardly played. He is without doubt, however in the top 3 when he's playing week in week out but for how long?
VVD was 3 years younger so carried a premium of 75M, a fair price for Toby is 45M because Boatang and Bonucci are available for a similar fee and offer exactly the same if not more!
So Levy now needs to find money for Kane new £90M contract, they can go and rob someone else.......normally I just don't care what United spend on players but when Spurs and Madrid are involved I take exception.
Woodward should tell Toby not to sign a new contract and United will give him a 4 year £10M per year contract when the transfer fee is 25M next summer. That way we can focus on a left wing back position and then make a cheeky offer to Spurs of £32M in the January Window!
VVD was 3 years younger so carried a premium of 75M, a fair price for Toby is 45M because Boatang and Bonucci are available for a similar fee and offer exactly the same if not more!
So Levy now needs to find money for Kane new £90M contract, they can go and rob someone else.......normally I just don't care what United spend on players but when Spurs and Madrid are involved I take exception.
Woodward should tell Toby not to sign a new contract and United will give him a 4 year £10M per year contract when the transfer fee is 25M next summer. That way we can focus on a left wing back position and then make a cheeky offer to Spurs of £32M in the January Window!
But Toby is so much easier to type and Toby sounds like a guy next door, you know.
Furthermore Toby reminds me of dobby, the house elf from Harry Potter, which reminds me of my childhood, which makes me happy.
That's why I prefer calling him Toby
Sanchez is a shadow of his former self imo. We like to think the name evokes a world class player but at this point he is little more than passenger who is content to play out his career on massive wages (I sincerely hope he proves me wrong). Martial and Rashford are very promosing players but either due to Jose's use of them or their own lack of progress, they are not quite there yet. Pogba and Lukaku have been credible but not world beaters and Mata may be a year or two removed from being consistently reliable.
Back to the original topic of Alderweireld. If Jose spends big on a player like him then it will reinforce the idea that he intends to entrench his park the bus style because he has concluded he cannot win by scoring goals but rather by limiting the opposition to score less than us. That unfortunately, won't cut the mustard in a league where City are knocking in over 100 goals and Liverpool are massively strengthening their midfield on the heels of a CL final season.
Regarding Sanchez, it's amazing how little faith United fans have in Sanchez.
My Arsenal supporting friends who hate Sanchez because he moved to United, constantly bash him and call him a flop. But even they agree that he will come good because the guy never stops fighting.
He has been here 6 months and all of a sudden he's a flop.
Regarding Alderweireld, so any manager who buys CBs are planning to park the bus, I guess.
Well that explains the two 50 million CBs City have and the 75 million CB Pool has.
Also its clear he's looking for a very specific kind of CB, a CB who is good on the ball, who can build up play from the back.
He signed Lindelof for the same reason last year but he hasn't come good so now he's trying a PL. proven known quantity in To.. I mean Alderweireld.
And obviously Mourinho is a pragmatic coach who needs his defense to be solid if he were to give freedom to his attackers.
If he was signing some guy who just closes his eyes and clears the ball and is technically poor on the ball, I could have understood where you are coming from. But that's not the case
He's not a flop but he's likewise not a world class player. He's simply a good player on astronomical wages, which won't move the needle for us.
Levy will drag this right until the end.
If he performs how he can, he most certainly will move the needle for us
Indeed and we'll sign him, I reckon similar to Matic this deal
He was world class or near world class last season and may be some parts of this season.
So within 6 months he went from world class to a good player?
Or he regressed in 6 months. Don't you think it's too early to make that call?
Its not too early. He may improve a bit next year but he's not at the point in his career where he is on the ascendency. He's clearly on the downward slope at this point.
Nah not even close this season
Oh well I believe he will come good.
Because he never stops trying and he has the hunger to win trophies.
He is physically in top condition and he was never really over dependant on pace.
He's family now and I refuse to give up on family this soon.
What context am I excluding or including, as the case may be?
It’s pretty straightforward tbf
Break it down for those struggling lol
It's easier to type Toby. Only 4 letters compared to 12 for Alderweireld.
I think after bedding in already and with a full summers rest and pre-season with us he'll be a lot better. Back to his absolute best? That's hard because his best is unbelievable but with one or two more quality additions in our team he'll be a key player and do extremely well next season IMO.
So we want to spend 50m they want 75m? If the clubs are genuinely discussing this deal it'll get done but probably around 60m or slightly over. He's basically a sure thing though and a massive upgrade so if Spurs are gonna Spurs I think we'll meet them half way.
If Martial is worth 55m it is because he may want out and he's got a year left on his contract. However, he's 22 and the club has an option to extend his contract for a year. He's worth more in the current market, his problem being that there aren't obvious suitors willing to pay his value (probably high level clubs that are historically stingy, like Juve and Bayern). He was bought 3 years ago for 36m (excluding add-ons).
Alderweireld is 29. He's just come back from a long injury lay-off and he's no longer first choice at Spurs. He wants a bumper new deal. Next season he can leave for rumoured 25m? He was bought 3 years ago for 11.5m. At best I think Spurs could get 40m for him, I don't think there is anyone who would think 40m for Martial would represent good value for United.
Their respective ages alone illustrate why one is more valuable than the other, neither is world class, one is top level and established, the other among the most gifted players in his age bracket. Martial has a decade of football in him, Toby, maybe 3-4 years. No re-sale value.
Of course, a lot is down to the player himself, he can kick up a fuss and Spurs would then be silly to keep him there with their restrained budget and need to buy, whereas Martial's value won't drop massively next season.
But seeing you just rewarded Kane with, what, 280K a week contract (unless a lot of that 15m a year is assumed bonuses) you might retain Toby if he still wants to stay.
You may be right, but I’m inclined to support United just walking away from this altogether. Alderweireld has a £25 million release clause next season and hasn’t been playing as much recently.
The £75 million tag on Van Dijk wasn’t just about the quality player, it was also about Liverpool tapping up a player, unsettling him, after seasons of Liverpool annually raiding Southampton. Spurs have no reason have a grudge against us, that I know of, unless they’re going back to Berbatov.
Alderweireld is a good player, no doubt. But 50 million is already eye-watering. For £75 million, we need to walk away and start shopping at the very top end of the market.
Personally I'd walk away from any deal. We aren't desperate so we have no reason to entertain such silly prices. He can hand in a transfer request if he's desperate to join us.
Perhaps, but I doubt it. I think they’ll stick with Vertonghen and Sanchez and look to reinvest in the team by offloading Alderweireld and Dembele, who won’t have nearly as much resale value, if any, if they extend their contracts with a bumper payment. I reckon the truth is that selling Dembele and Alderweireld is a crucial part of their plans this summer.
If we could get Alderweireld for a reasonable fee, I wouldn’t mind. But, I doubt it, and I think Spurs will try to fleece us. I’d rather away.
Agreed
I'm amazed we are even entertaining 50million.
75 million is a jokers price, even in this market.
If you consider how many CB's we have, this is not a desperate area for us to strengthen. Yes an upgrade at CB (as in an experienced top level CB) would be beneficial, I don't think we need to get into a prolonged negotiation with Spurs.
If we sign Alderweireld, then we need to sell 2 of our current CB's for me. Now all the fan fare seems to be "sell rojo & jones". few issue's with this: Jose rates Jones and there has been no talk of any of Rojo/Jones or even Smalling being sold.
Surprised there isn't more talk of out-goings surrounding a lot of our defenders, but you never knows whats round the corner.
Hope the talk of signing Lenglet is false, we have too many young CB's (Tuanzebe, TFM returning) to warrant such a signing. IF we sign a CB - it has to be someone who is experienced and can lead
75 million is a jokers price, even in this market.
If you consider how many CB's we have, this is not a desperate area for us to strengthen. Yes an upgrade at CB (as in an experienced top level CB) would be beneficial, I don't think we need to get into a prolonged negotiation with Spurs.
If we sign Alderweireld, then we need to sell 2 of our current CB's for me. Now all the fan fare seems to be "sell rojo & jones". few issue's with this: Jose rates Jones and there has been no talk of any of Rojo/Jones or even Smalling being sold.
Surprised there isn't more talk of out-goings surrounding a lot of our defenders, but you never knows whats round the corner.
Hope the talk of signing Lenglet is false, we have too many young CB's (Tuanzebe, TFM returning) to warrant such a signing. IF we sign a CB - it has to be someone who is experienced and can lead
Alderweireld is the Spurs dilemma in a nutshell, looks good but has little to no experience or history of performances when it really matters. He is good, clearly, how good I am not sure, the competition to one of the best domestically is not great, for 50+ million you would want a CB at his age that is a sure bet. Will be fascinated to see how he performs in this World Cup.
Id say lets get Lengret for 30m, sell Rojo or Jones and wait it out on Toby (possibly while having a private word with his agent). If Levy decides to stick to his guns then we'll buy him next Summer for 25m which would allow us to sell all our remaining experienced heads in CB.
At £25M Toby will have many more takers, of course he could chose United but we would still have made a profit out of him and got plenty of service.
Top end of the market is what and who though? Godin and Ramos IMO are better than him but older and basically impossible options. Not sure you can get better and cheaper than Alderweireld unfortunately. Better value long term perhaps IF Lenglet fulfills his potential but that's a risk and Alderweireld is a sure thing.
That's why we should have a private chat with his agent, promising him more money in exchange for loyalty. Juventus does that every time. They possibly did the same to our Darmian. Toby might take next year easy by taking good care of himself and call himself 'injured' every time he doesn't feel like playing or there's a challenging game ahead.
Regarding more takers and plenty of service I doubt that keeping an unhappy player for an extra season is worth losing a 25m top up. It also gives the impression that Spurs is an unreasonable employee who wouldn't mind crushing a player's dream just to be petty.
That's a solid option on paper and one that could be great but with this being Jose's 3rd year and he's still not mounted a title challenge I can see him going for the more experienced. If Dalot is going to start often then we'll have a 19 year old full-back and always injured Bailly as our oldest center back at age 24. I think that back line could be too young.
To me, if we’re talking 35-45 million, that’s reasonable. 50+ I’m uncomfortable with because of his age, but if Mou and the club feel it’s right then whatever. 70-75 million? Pardon my French, but f*** that. If we are shopping for a defender for 70+ million we really should be trying to figure out what it would take to get Varane.
He IS a flop, SO FAR...
I find it hard to believe anyone thinks he hasn't been a bad signing for us so far.
Athlderweireld.
He's got 3 experienced CBs in Smalling, Rojo and Jones. If they aren't good enough then he should sell them and get someone else. Also Toby is not the only experienced CB around. Bonucci for example has more experience in his right toe then Toby has all over his body and with AC Milan in dire financial straits they would be far more reasonable then Spurs are. Lenglet has already played 40 matches+ in La Liga.
Toby is not worth 75m. He's not even worth 50m. For 75m, I'd say we add a couple of millions and try to tempt Inter for skriniar
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