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Toby Alderweireld
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Not surprised to see Glaston here defending Levy to the hilt. You do know even the greatest can overplay their hand?
Or - Forest refusing to answer Uniteds calls regarding Stan Collymore - and we ended up with Andy Cole. 2 years later - Collymore's career was practically over - Cole did slightly better
Yes. De Ligt, we could include Blind and get a reduced fee. Toby is fantastic but we have so many other positions to fill. I don't think CB is the priority. We need a CM, LB and RW. De Ligt is a fantastic prospect at a good age. Linked with Juve and Spurs.
Except we don't have an experienced and dependable leader at the heart of the defence.
If, and I am saying if because I have no idea what the situation is. But if Martial actually wants to move to Spurs, then it is not stupid at all to try and agree on a deal that might work for both clubs (not saying straight swap). And while I agree that Martial is young and has many attributes that could lead him to become a great player it's not certain that he would play for Spurs for the rest of his career, maybe we get 4-5 years, some of that in a position of developing his talent. Toby on the other hand will most likely be at his peak for another 4 years and is a world class defender at the age of 29.
I personally feel people on this forum overvalue 'potential' and undervalue 'actual output'. Having said that, I think Martial will stay, and that Alderweireld will end up leaving for around 50 million unless he signs a new deal.
Its not just this forum, it's how the world football is now.
Sessegnon : 50 million pounds
The two teenage Brazilian kids Madrid signed /are about to : 50 million
Zaha (who is youngish) : 70 million
Leon Bailey : 100 million
Dembele : 150 million
Mbappe : 160 million
I can go on.
The point is, we bought Martial for 36 mill, we also payed 9 mill or something when he scored 25 goals l. So we have essentially paid 45 million for him.
Also if he was playing at Dortmund or Everton and we wanted to buy him, he would cost 70-80 million.
So yeah, potential has value
I agree with you, although some of the examples are players who are young with great output. I know many on here rate Martial and I do as well, but he definitely has question marks over his game, and it is no guarantee that he will become a top player. And right now if I could choose between Martial or Zaha I'd take Zaha. That's just how I feel, Martial seem to have stagnated and doesn't seem to be the dangerous player I imagine whenever I see him on the pitch. To me, his career directory is heading downwards and something need to change which is why he could leave if he is not given assurances by Mourinho imo.
If Mourinho believe in Martial he will get guarantees and stay at the club, I think he could potentially be great if given a run behind the striker, I don't see him as a top player on the right although I could be wrong. And with Sanchez (who needs to either play most games or Mourinho will need to admit he made a mistake) it doesn't look likely he will play a lot on the left, also since Rashford seem to play there. But is Mourinho is willing to gamble and stick with him? Signs point to no.
Guess this should have been in the Martial thread, but well.
Backed up by about 50 years of history but yeah.
De Ligt will likely level out at mediocre - he’s only well rated because he’s huge for his age; same with Donnarumma.
Alderweireld is the best defender in the league, instantly improves the team and would be the ideal partner for Smalling.
The problem for Spurs is he can leave next summer for 25mil.
Levy is unlikely let Toby,Eriksen or Son let their contracts go down to 12 months.
He could lose all three for less than 100mil.
I think Alderweireld will leave for around 45-50mil. It's a good deal for all sides.
Lindelof wasn't 40m
Of course he's worth £55m in today's market. He's a world-class, ball-playing CB, in his prime, with bags of Prem experience and settled in England.
If you can find CB elsewhere for less money who also ticks all five (or even four) of those boxes then good luck to you.
I'd say Martial is worth around the same amount of money.
He is worth £25mil next year. Thats the big problem for Spurs.
Zaha is worth 70mil.
Martial is worth a lot more.
That's quite disingenuous. You exclude context to figure out the right price for Alderweireld, but you include it to assume the price for Martial. You are talking absolute nonsense.
Alderwiereld isn't really world class imo.
Yeah, I agree with you completely, which is why getting new deals for Eriksen in particular, but also Son is so important. I think Alderweireld will end up leaving for around 50m which I think is fair enough.
Was the first price I saw when I googled quick, looking again I see 30m quoted some places as well. Who knows, my point was simply that Spurs also have to replace Alderweireld in the same market where prices are crazy, and it's not going to be easy to replace Toby, in fact it will be impossible to find a better short term solution for us.
Vertonghen is better than Alderweireld
Agreed, if Alderwiereld left Tottenham they'd manage easily.
I don't see Alderweireld as being either. Its not like he's Sergio Ramos or Chiellini.
In respect to what we have he is. He is experienced, can be depended on, and can lead the defence.
They practically did last season.
Disagree, but he is very good also. I actually think Spurs missed Alderweireld this season in some key moments.
Good player, but not much better than what we already have. I'd rather we buy a promising young defender like De Ligt who can stay with us for a decade or more. That's the only rational justification for spending any money on a CB this summer.
Fair, I tend to disagree, I think he is a far better player than Smalling or Jones, and would really help bring on the less experienced players like Bailly maybe Lindelof. I actually also think Smalling would be great next to someone who could lead him.
How many of them do we need? Bailly is 24, Lindeloff is 23, Tuanzabe is 20. Yet we don't have a single reliable CB.
That's enough, unless a top young player who we identify as potential future world class comes along. Other than keeper, CB is literally the last priority right now.
I totally disagree, but to each on their own. I think that all of our CBs are totally unreliable and a big reason why Mourinho plays so defensively. Play an attacking game, and we'll get exposed.
Having better FBs will do a lot of remedy that.
Looking only at our defensive performances then I'd agree that it's hard to make the case that that's where we most need to upgrade. On the other hand, do you not have any time for the idea that we lack centre backs who can pass the ball well, and that this contributes to our stodgy attacking play?
I think this one will happen. Could just be very late in the window given how levy operates. I don't think mourinho is under pressure to add a CB so he might be patient enough to wait late in the window. In the end poch will want to get his business done and will want his hands on 50m for a player that hasn't played for him much
Definitely, we could use an upgrade in that area, which I think can be accomplished by continuing to develop the players we have. Our biggest problem by a country mile is in attack. We will never get close to catching City if we continue to lag them by 30 goals each season. We simply don't have the quality of players in attack who can contribute the amount of goals we require to move to the next level.
Dalot and De Ligt for 70m is good business. At least give De Ligt the option of joining a back line that will feature another best of his age group player in Dalot. And play in front of the best goaltender in the world, De Gea. Dalot , De Ligt, and De Gea. What manager wouldn't want to be putting those 3 names first on the team sheet?
Are any other clubs linked with him at the moment? Don't see how Spurs can overly force our hand without added interest in him.
I'm inclined to agree with you that it's in the attacking "third" that we most need improvement. I'm not as certain that it's a personnel issue though: we've brought in Lukaku, Pogba and Sanchez in the last two years (as well as having had Ibrahimovic come and go) none of which seems to have dramatically transformed our attacking football. Is an attack that includes Sanchez, Lukaku, Pogba, Martial, Rashford and Mata really so lacking in quality players? I'm not sure and wonder whether it isn't more of a coaching and tactics issue at this stage.
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Spurs won't get £70m for him. I remember similar stories about Walker.
Not many. PSG are waiting to find out their FFP penalties before doing any business. I can't see how both clubs don't reach an agreement.
Spurs won't get £70m for him. I remember similar stories about Walker.
Nobody else will give Spurs this pay day, we just need to be patient and give them a take it or leave it deal.
Hopefully we have Lenglet as a backup, if Tottenham don't budge by the deadline then pull the trigger.
He's a great defender but we don't need to be desperate.
Hopefully we have Lenglet as a backup, if Tottenham don't budge by the deadline then pull the trigger.
He's a great defender but we don't need to be desperate.
Took until the 14th July for City to sign Walker, unless we go elsewhere this has got at least another month in it
I agree, Toby is the best CB in the league. He has amazing passing ability and a great footballing mind. Our defence needs somebody creative at the moment.
Lack of creativity isn't just down to our attacking players. We could utilise having a defender who can go direct to Rom and lettin him use his hold up play and strength to free up our other creative and quicker players.
A player such as Toby could transform our team. In the present day market 50m for an established world class prem centre half isn't that bad.
Lack of creativity isn't just down to our attacking players. We could utilise having a defender who can go direct to Rom and lettin him use his hold up play and strength to free up our other creative and quicker players.
A player such as Toby could transform our team. In the present day market 50m for an established world class prem centre half isn't that bad.
A total aside, and not having a swipe at anyone in particular, but does no one else find it a bit nauseating hearing United fans talk in matey first name terms about opposition players? Toby, Toby, Toby.... urrghh
edit: that was unfortunate timing after your first post FHB94 - nothing personal!
edit: that was unfortunate timing after your first post FHB94 - nothing personal!
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