Don't think he will be dreaming of Spurs if Juventus are serious about him. 2 of the iconic French players played for Juventus and any decent French player will be picking Juventus instead of Spurs (no offence btw).
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Don't think he will be dreaming of Spurs if Juventus are serious about him. 2 of the iconic French players played for Juventus and any decent French player will be picking Juventus instead of Spurs (no offence btw).
Thats not the info I heard but none of us know for sure I guess. We were definitely in with a shot of getting him last year and I think we could get him this summer if we really push for it. Could easily bugger off abroad of course but I'm an optimist.
I agree but lets see what happens.
In the rare chance that we agree to sell Martial and that also to a top 4 rival, and because it is Levy, I would wish Ed would completely rip off Levy on the deal. But then we have a history of selling players on the cheap
Isn't he doing that right now? Where he would get bigger wage as well?
But no, seriously Martial and even Bale linked to Spurs? No way they would take the step back.
Martial could possibly go to Juve but PSG or Spain seems much more viable destination for him.
Jose doesn't appear to rate him - he is still a young player and needs to be playing regularly. It does appear he wants out of Utd.
Agree with this.
Didn't you offer some ridiculously low amount last season that was laughed off by United?
If he's unhappy at United, where else might he realistically go that's better for him?
It's hard to get excited about CB signings, but this is an exception. Toby is the best CB in the league, can't wait for him and Bailly to form a mega partnership if this comes through.
Unfortunately all the close United sidesso say United won't let him go not does the player want to leave.
That’s probably true and mostly because Spurs don’t pay well which is the most important factor, by far.
Alderweireld has a clause in his contract that lets him leave for 25m in a year. Levy is a businessman, he will get the most for him this summer. Whether it is us or someone else is another question.
What we know is Man Utd have ruled out selling Martial to Spurs and I'm pretty sure it bears little consequence on Alderweireld. Both clubs have started negotiations. If that wasn't the case, talks would never have gotten off the ground.
What we know is Man Utd have ruled out selling Martial to Spurs and I'm pretty sure it bears little consequence on Alderweireld. Both clubs have started negotiations. If that wasn't the case, talks would never have gotten off the ground.
Which of those clubs actually want him?
Going to Spurs would be the same as saying «I’m not cut out for the biggest scene» and that would be career suicide for him. Martial will stay and fight - or leave for Spain (perhaps PSG, but they have a certain left-sided player already). Spurs can finish above United and Liverpool for five years, but would still not be considered a bigger draw in any way - no player cares about a training ground. Win a trophy anytime soon, then there’s hope of landing players from bigger clubs. Heck, even Arsenal would probably be a more tempting choice for him. Spurs might be ahead in the league, but it doesn’t take much to catch that little advantage you have before you caught that glass ceiling.
From reports Juve and depending on Bale/Ronaldo situation and having in mind Robben and Ribery aging he could have a decent shot at both..
Sitting on the subs bench at United is hardly "the biggest scene".
And talk of playing for Spurs being "career suicide" is too ridiculous for further comment.
Their reported interest is as strong as your reported interest. As in who knows?
Do you think Spurs are the only side in for him? Even then its reported today that we consider him not for sale anyway.
This has the potential to be a solid signing for us. It's a bit of a gamble given his injuries, but one worth taking for his quality. We must establish a CB partnership next season, and a Bailly-Alderweireld one, provided they can both keep fit should be formidable.
Didn't he really only have one injury? The other reason he missed so many games last year was because he was refusing to sign a new deal.
I think it was the one on his hamstring, but I seem to recall him doing the same or a very similar injury later in the season. It's probably nothing to be concerned about, but something we should take into account. Either way I think we should be in for him. You're right however in that his contract situation would've impacted on his playing time.
His injury record in general has been very good. Always played a good number of games each season.
Yeah, he's the best defender in the league for my money. Been a big fan of him for a while now. He's a cut above what we have and by far the best defender attainable this summer. Hoping Spurs don't fleece us.
You would, you sod
Alderweireld should be going to Levy and telling him he wants to go to Man Utd so make a deal. If he wants to stay in the PL, we are by far his best option. Man City don't want another CB and no other club can match us for wages, not even Chelsea (they're not in the CL next season anyway so why would he go there?). This, coupled with the fact that Pochettino does not want Alderweireld at the club, puts us in a very strong position. The deal is nothing like Carrick, Modric, Berbatov, Bale. Spurs are weak here. We need to be taking advantage and stealing Old Toby for £30-35m. If not, we make a point of coming back next season and taking him for 25. At least that way we send out a message.
To be fair, that message would only be "don't bother with United".
Alderweireld has been played and utilised, so if the best offer was only £10m more than the "release clause" that is only open for a few weeks of next summer (not the whole window), then it wouldn't even be worth selling him.
You are right - it's nothing like Carrick, Modric, Berbatov or Bale - Alderweireld hasn't refused to play or train, and I'm sure would be quite happy to play another season in a team of his Ajax and Belgian mates.
You forgot to mention being paid much less than he wants/deserves.
Apparently what he wants is more playing time at United, not to leave.
Obviously if he doesn't get those assurances, that may change
That's on him for not signing a contract that put him as one of the highest earners.
Irony for TA is that he will probably get less than he was offered at Spurs at another club.
You hear what you want to hear right? You must be quite the person to have in an office environment. Mental. Arriving at Manchester United, making a name for yourself at United and around the world, leaving for Spurs in your early 20's, is career suicide. You will forever be branded as the guy that quit or didn't make it, you'll most likely never be playing for one of the greats again. Staying at United, outlasting Mourinho and/or proving everyone wrong is the opposite and his star will shine as brightly as it did two years ago. Furthermore, he would never spend time regretting his decision to leave during the next ten years.
Playing for Spurs is not career suicide, but again, you only constructed my message the way you wanted to, to be able to spout more crap for the sake of it - as usual.
Zaha isn't branded as that, and is on the verge of being a big money signing for a CL team.
No, the message would be: hurry up and sell your players because you are a little club and that is your purpose.
He's played about as much as Darmian, a bit-part player for us. And MoPo has clearly moved on from him: he would have been a first team player this year otherwise. If you want to wait until next summer, so be it. He won't play much and will join us anyway. You have little to gain. Oh, and the price is now £30m. Your move.
No, it's nothing like those deals because, as I said above, the manager doesn't want him and all those players had good contracts. We're in a very strong negotiating position here. At the end of this window it won't be only Zidane and Guardiola that are called bald frauds but Levy too.
Indeed, no reason for Spurs to sell him for that price. If we offer 50m or so and he says that he wants to leave, then probably Spurs should sell him, but 30-35m makes no sense, considering that they can get 25m for him next summer.
Best case scenario: you fail at Spurs and they bin you off to Fulham
Worst case scenario: you succeed at Spurs and they never let you leave. You spend your entire career at Tottenham Hotspur - the Royston Vasey of football clubs.
Say what? You talk as if Martial is seen as some kind of super-star, world class player, but the reality is that he's been a part-time player for United and has been dropped from the French World Cup squad ... there doesn't seem to have been a whole lot of "name-making" involved.
Moreover, the current United team/squad are hardly "one of the greats". So I suggest you come down from your high horse and smell the coffee: Spurs are an attractive destination for many good players - quite a few of them better than Martial.
I can only see him going to Spurs if Eriksen leaves, so he at least has a shot at that left side spot. Completely different players obviously, but I don't think he'll sign on to play RW.
Otherwise, I can't see him swapping one bench for another.
Some of the comments in here about it have obviously gone way overboard.
However, the thing that hurts Spurs in this situation is how hard you make it for players to leave. With all due respect, if Martial did go to you it would be with the idea of re-establishing himself and pushing himself to the top level, then getting the big move back to one of the giant clubs in a couple of years. I could definitely see him seeing you guys as a good option for the first part, but the problem is he then limits himself where he can move to. Spurs would do everything they could not to sell to another English team, the Italians and Atletico couldn't afford him, Bayern never spend huge amounts, so it'd basically just be Real, Barca or PSG.
If he was looking to go that route, he'd be better off looking to go to one of the other teams that are just below that top echelon. Those other clubs would also quite likely be willing to put in a first option clause for us to be able to buy him back in the future, so we may be happier to sell to them.
The only exception I could see is if he truly does love living in England and doesn't want to leave, but I can't say we've seen any of that attitude with him.
Trying to figure whether the Poch to RM scenario has any effect on Toby to United.
If Poch does go, maybe the new coach wants his own players brought in and would rather not have to be saddled with a wantaway CB, even encouraging Levy to sell at a lower price so that he can have a bigger budget to work with.
Or, if Poch stays, he could insist on getting a bigger transfer budget to stay (which he has already, from what I understand), but maybe he'll be less patient to get things done and not have to deal with a wantaway player when he has already been phased out.
If Poch does go, maybe the new coach wants his own players brought in and would rather not have to be saddled with a wantaway CB, even encouraging Levy to sell at a lower price so that he can have a bigger budget to work with.
Or, if Poch stays, he could insist on getting a bigger transfer budget to stay (which he has already, from what I understand), but maybe he'll be less patient to get things done and not have to deal with a wantaway player when he has already been phased out.
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