Toby Alderweireld

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MikeKing said:
I guess because he is english, still young, and under the right manager could be the best LB in the league. He has more talent/potential than say Robertson and a lot of other LB in the league. Just because he doesn't have what it takes to succeed at a club like United doesn't mean he should be worth less money than the likes of Stones etc.

The marked is crazy, if you expect us to give you Martial for Alderweireld you might as well expect to give us Kane if you ask about Shaw. :lol:
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He has failed under van Gaal and Mourinho, who aren't inexperienced managers. For all intents and purposes, if you believe Mourinho he's a fat get with an attitude problem. Even Poch eluded to it in Balague's book.

I'd say he's exactly the same as Barkley - expiring contract, young and famed for potential, but attitude/injury issues.

God knows how anyone could value him at £50-70m, even in this market, even if he had a longer contract. He's a £20m player, tops.

Oldyella said:
That's unfair on Rossi who if not for his injuries had a very good career when fit.
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I think that's just the same as Shaw in terms of injuries. But the main point was that some players are hyped up at 17/18, then for whatever reason they just don't make it. You can't continue to sell the same 18 year old at 22/23 when he's not lived up to that ability though.



The difference between this season gone's City and the one Pep had in his first season, though, is a sorted defence. That's pretty much what Alderweireld brings, especially statistically proven, so that's worth a lot of money to a team like United, potentially speaking.
 
If Spurs are actually demanding over 50 million for Alderweireld, we should look elsewhere. I would rather pay the release clause of 60 mill euro for Umtiti.
 
Wallez said:
If Spurs are actually demanding over 50 million for Alderweireld, we should look elsewhere. I would rather pay the release clause of 60 mill euro for Umtiti.
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Yep, and when you look at prices VVD is 26, Umtiti 24. This boosts their price tags massively, you pay less as someone approaches and reaches 30. Put in a 45mil bid potentially raising to 50, if Spurs dont like it then walk away and look at other options.

They honestly dont have a lot of leverage, he is aging, triggers a release clause if he stays another season, doesnt want to stay another year and is looking for more wages than they are willing to offer him.
 
Scroto Baggins said:
Yep, and when you look at prices VVD is 26, Umtiti 24. This boosts their price tags massively, you pay less as someone approaches and reaches 30. Put in a 45mil bid potentially raising to 50, if Spurs dont like it then walk away and look at other options.

They honestly dont have a lot of leverage, he is aging, triggers a release clause if he stays another season, doesnt want to stay another year and is looking for more wages than they are willing to offer him.
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Umtiti is 25 in November, VvD is about to turn 27, Alderweireld has just turned 29.

Considering VvD is by no means a proven quality defender, and is just the latest in the line of expensive Southampton players to go to Liverpool off the back of one decent season, I'd say that £75m for him makes Alderweireld look value for money.
 
AKDevil said:
He spent most of last season on the bench because after he was injured MP knew he wasn’t going to sign a new contract so was effectively planning for life after him and wanted players fully committed to the Spurs cause to play. He literally only played him when he had to after his injury. Did the same with Walker. MP’s principles don’t make a player a bad one.
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It may be to our advantage since he has had plenty of time not to aggravate the injury and is plenty rested
 
Levy is the kinda guy who would willingly drag this on until the last hour of the transfer window to ensure he manages to get every last penny from us. Don't expect this to be completed any time soon.
 
Irrational. said:
Levy is the kinda guy who would willingly drag this on until the last hour of the transfer window to ensure he manages to get every last penny from us. Don't expect this to be completed any time soon.
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That's my concern as well, only good thing is Poch has apparently said he wants none of that. Time will tell what happens
 
Irrational. said:
Levy is the kinda guy who would willingly drag this on until the last hour of the transfer window to ensure he manages to get every last penny from us. Don't expect this to be completed any time soon.
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Or just to dangle the carrot and then not sell at all, so ensuring that you waste your entire summer on a fruitless pursuit.
 
Wallez said:
If Spurs are actually demanding over 50 million for Alderweireld, we should look elsewhere. I would rather pay the release clause of 60 mill euro for Umtiti.
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Doesn't this assume that Umtiti actually wants to be released to leave Barca for United? It would seem doubtful that he's pining for such a switch.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Or just to dangle the carrot and then not sell at all, so ensuring that you waste your entire summer on a fruitless pursuit.
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Except it's clear that your manager doesn't want the player, same with Rose. This comes from his comments and from dropping the duo. MP is not willing to work with any player who is not 100% committed. You need to sell and this doesn't bode well for you. I think £30-35m will get the Alderweireld deal wrapped up.
but £75m isn't ridiculous?
 
Solius said:
You don’t think it’ll happen?
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I don't know. I think the odds are he'll be sold to someone, but whether that's United is another question.

Perhaps (?) a lot might hinge on whether or not Poch actually wants Martial. If he does - and if Martial would like to come - then if United won't sell him to us I could easily see Levy getting very bloody-minded about Alderweireld in return.
 
Who would you prefer between Alderweireld, Koulibaly, Umtiti, Skriniar, Manolas, De Ligt and Boateng?
 
He would be a solid addition, he would give us 3 seasons at least at the top level. I like how this squad is continuously being patched up in the right areas window by window.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Doesn't this assume that Umtiti actually wants to be released to leave Barca for United? It would seem doubtful that he's pining for such a switch.
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Of course, it is no guarantee that he would want a move to United. However, I would like us to give it a try. Neymar chose to leave Barcelona for PSG so why wouldn't Umtiti choose United if he is offered a big contract? He has been criticizing Barcelona for the lack of contract renwal talks, revealed that he has a relatively low release clause, criticized their tactics against Chelsea and had a fight with Pique on the pitch. I think he could be persuaded to move to Manchester United.
 
InLevyITrust said:
I’m pretty sure we could afford £65,000 a week :lol:.
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That is what he's currently getting, no? What have we offered him and he has turned down? I should imagine he'd want that figure at least.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Or just to dangle the carrot and then not sell at all, so ensuring that you waste your entire summer on a fruitless pursuit.
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Think we’ll have more than one person working on one deal @GlastonSpur. If it falls through at the last minute then Spurs will have an unhappy player seeing out his contract.
 
balaks said:
What is he on? From what I'm hearing the likes of Kane and Eriksen will soon be earning £200k+
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Are you taking a page out of the english media's book and including bonuses? Or are you talking about basic wage?
 
Jonno said:
He would be a solid addition, he would give us 3 seasons at least at the top level. I like how this squad is continuously being patched up in the right areas window by window.
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Yeah me too but needing upgrades in right wing and full backs as well as atleast one more in midfield.
 
redIndianDevil said:
Do we really need another CB? No rumors of us selling Smalling, Jones or Rojo has emerged, we should prioritize fullback position first. Spurs haven't missed him at all, we should really try to get him on the cheap if we really have to get this guy.
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We need another CB considering that we have a bunch of CBs who are okay, but prone to brainfecks, and neither of them is a leader. Alder is considerably better than all of them.

Also, I think that Rojo plus one of Jones/Smalling (preferably Jones) should finally be sold in this summer, and partially fund this signing. Heck, sell Shaw too and we already fund this signing. Alder and Sandra will do wonders for our defense (and attack) and if we ditch those players I mentioned, probably we would need to spend just 50m pounds (net) with our team becoming much better than it is. Add another midfielder, a right winger and potentially a right defender and you have a team as good as any.
 
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balaks said:
I'd expect bonuses to be part of that but it still would be effectively doubling their wages.
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The vast majority of contracts are reported on basic. I remember reading about how amazing the bonus structure was at Spurs, which is a bit strange since it's basically a way to penny pinch on players contracts when bonuses could be basic wages on their own.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Or just to dangle the carrot and then not sell at all, so ensuring that you waste your entire summer on a fruitless pursuit.
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What an excellent idea, keep a very unhappy player for one more year and lose him for peanuts next summer.
 
Cal? said:
What an excellent idea, keep a very unhappy player for one more year and lose him for peanuts next summer.
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Not even that, imagine thinking club won't have back up options or don't set any deadlines to sign a player.
 
I don't think this signing should be top priority this summer. Alderwiereld is a good player and better on the ball than our centre backs, but centre back isn't our biggest problem.
Given we will have a limited budget id hope we sort out both fullbacks, midfield and perhaps a wide player first. That said if we can do all that and get Alderwiereld then it would be a good summer.
 
roonster09 said:
Not even that, imagine thinking club won't have back up options or don't set any deadlines to sign a player.
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I have no doubt United won't get caught without an alternative, hopefully Spurs keep dangling and dangling. ;)
 
Cal? said:
I have no doubt United won't get caught without an alternative, hopefully Spurs keep dangling and dangling. ;)
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In his precious little bubble, only spurs know how to work in transfer market.
 
Dec9003 said:
I don't think this signing should be top priority this summer. Alderwiereld is a good player and better on the ball than our centre backs, but centre back isn't our biggest problem.
Given we will have a limited budget id hope we sort out both fullbacks, midfield and perhaps a wide player first. That said if we can do all that and get Alderwiereld then it would be a good summer.
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How are we having a limited budget?

I think CB should be our 2nd priority after LB. The Smalling and Jones show is tedious. I also think we set up defensively as a team because Jose doesn’t trust the defence. I think our attack would improve with a CB with the ability to play the ball out effectively.
 
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