We would have to sell at least one of our current lot as otherwise we would have 6 CBs (7 if Tuanzebe comes back) going into next year.
Toby Alderweireld
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We would have to sell at least one of our current lot as otherwise we would have 6 CBs (7 if Tuanzebe comes back) going into next year.
Toby will definitely improve our defense, but as you said not for 75m, if we are to spend that much I'd rather we do it on Koulibaly for example, who is younger and to date even better injury record.
Spurs defense obviously improved with him, it's simple logic you have two very good CBs, compared to whoever was partnering Vertonghen before. I'm not sure about his history of brain farts, but he never really came into attention until his Spurs days, which is very interesting.
It's got me curious now. Annoying there are articles from Guardian or Skysports etc. on it.
Best I have for other new info is the COYS subreddit which actually a smaller sample & refers to the season before last (but it still points to his value as a defender).
https://www.reddit.com/r/coys/comments/5edqjx/spurs_record_this_season_with_and_without/
This one highlights which games, too.
Yeah I agree fullbacks should be top priority this summer, I would even say RB is a bigger priority compared to LB.
Sell Blind and one of Jones or Rojo, whomever Jose deems a bigger injury risk.
Sell or play 3 at the back
I agree that our fullbacks need upgraded first, they are as guilty as the defenders in slowing our build-up play from the back, they take too many touches and spend a lot of time on the ball and at the end they either pick a simple pass to the nearest midfielder or hoof it up the pitch to no one in particular.
If we pay anything more than £35m for a CB considering our budget and the positions we have to fill, then we are mugs.
Attack is our problem FFS.
Attack is our problem FFS.
I think his injury record is a myth,he hasn't been injured that often.His injury last year was a one off incident so i don't think we should be worried about his injury history.
I'm desperate for Alderweireld, but whenever I see these rumours I just think to myself 'we've spent £65 million on two centre backs and we're starting Jones and Smalling in a cup final AND we're in the market for another centre-back'
Toby is proven in the PL and has shown a good consistency over several years. Lindelöf and Bailly are younger and were brought in for their potential. Toby is rock solid if he can stay free of injury, he is on another level compared to those two.
It is a myth, people have a weird habit of repeating false information over and over again.
The ball doesn't just go from De Gea straight to Lukaku, it starts from defence first then into midfield. At the moment we struggle to do that because our CBs aren't able to bring the ball forward.
Toby is one of the best centre-backs in the Premier League without question. Someone who can actually both defend and play football. However, age is not on his side. I hope we don't get mugged. Anything over 35-40 Million would be mad. It's not our money but reduces the budget on players we need to cover other positions.
Jose is wanting experienced players here and now. The problem will come when he leaves with a massively ageing squad.
50 mill seems to be the going rate for a CB these days 
We can't defend properly if it's not in a block.
Its why we play better v too sides when we go a goal down. The opposition drop a little deeper to hit us in the break which allows us to push further forward.
We need the quality in defence to push forward when the opposition aren't taking a back step. We need to be able to play against the press.
The foundations behind our attack just isn't there at the moment.
With Toby, Matic and Sanchez we have 3 players even approaching 30 in our starting 11 ( hopefully Valencia and Young are displaced)
Our squad isn't old! Its par for the course. City even have older, more important players than we would have!
To be fair this is the position where we need a experienced player. I’m more concerned about his fitness.
It wouldn’t be a bad deal if we sign him for £50m and sell Jones for maybe £20m. I’m sure some suckers would pay that much for Jones.
Why would we sell Jones over Rojo?
Was at Ajax, Atletico and Southampton before. In interests of balance, think he wasn’t that impressive at Atletico who also had plenty of options at CB hence him being allowed to join Southampton initially on loan IIRC.
Pogba, Bailly, Lukaku, Lindelof and Fred are all 25 or younger though.
If we are buying this lad and not selling either one of Jones and Smalling, there's a possibility that we could be playing a back three for some stretches next year. If that's the case, there's a possibility Pogba might be dropped when we revert to a back three.
However, considering Conte is leaving, the possibility of that happening is small as I don't think Sarri would play a back three.
For what is worth, I do not think Toby is worth the quoted price or anything above 40m. The pressing concern for us is a RB considering our attack is always lopsided to the left. There's always plenty of vacated space on the right screaming to be exploited.
However, considering Conte is leaving, the possibility of that happening is small as I don't think Sarri would play a back three.
For what is worth, I do not think Toby is worth the quoted price or anything above 40m. The pressing concern for us is a RB considering our attack is always lopsided to the left. There's always plenty of vacated space on the right screaming to be exploited.
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What do Conte and Sarri have to do with this?
Mourinho changes his shape from a back four to a back three every time he goes up against Conte.
Also worth noting that his "injury" this season was more likely to be one of the symptoms of a player indicating he want to leave under Pochettino. He makes is quite clear (and has oft repeated) that anyone who doesn't want to be at the club is not likely to find himself first on the teamsheet.
Kyle Walker had the same mystery "injuries" after he asked to leave in March last year.
What? No doubt from March onwards he was dropped to the bench, but his injury wasn't fabricated.
Best age for a CB is their late 20s and early 30s. Godin and Ramos are two of the very best about and they are both 32. They've got all the errors out of their system and have the right balance of experience and physical attributes to play at a good level consistently. No idea why people are worried about his age, we've needed some experience at the back since Vidic and Rio left.
Pretty much every other key player comes straight back from injury. Walker/Alderweireld took much longer, and both were pretty much objecting to the fact that they were 'injured' as long as was claimed.
Walker being on the bench was almost always reported as 'minor injuries' like a foot/knee knock. It's a Pochettino thing - it's rare that anyone is dropped without it being blamed on injury, conveniently after discipline-related issues.
To be fair, Smalling, Jones and Rojo all have plenty of experience, they're just not that good!
Another CB, that will be 6 on the books with Axel returning as well.
At least 1 if not 2 will have to be sold. Tuanzebe has to go on loan again as well
Yep, I’ve been saying this for months and have been slapped down by the Mourinho can do no wrong brigade.
You do realise 50% of his signings to date have been under 25 and younger. Also it looks like our first signing of the summer may be 25 and we were also chasing a 22 year old highly rated CM
I don't even like Jose, but this age of signings stick we keep beating him with is bullshit
People cant have it both ways, you cant demand instant success and players who'll be here for 10 years
Besides assuming they stay the future is covered with the likes of Lindelof, Rashford, Martial, Pogba, Fred, Bailly
Besides assuming they stay the future is covered with the likes of Lindelof, Rashford, Martial, Pogba, Fred, Bailly
It was a back four on paper.He played a back 4 in the FA Cup final
When we attacked, both fullbacks moved up and Ander went back and form a back three. That's also why we saw Jones being positioned where he was before he conceded the penalty - on the far left.
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Perhaps the posters that wants us to focus on younger players understands that it will take some time before we become successful?
He wants more money than Spurs are offering on his new contract. He realises he has one last big contract in him so he wants 180k a week, Spurs have put 130k a week plus bonuses on the table which he hasnt signed. Id imagine the only people who will be on around 180k or more will be Kane and Eriksen when the new contracts are sorted. Kane's contract was rumoured to be around the 200k mark when they move into the new stadium.
But the new stadium will make up for lower wages
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