Damning evidence of our poor recruitment policy that after buying not one but two CB's already., that now we need another one. Another 29 year old
Toby Alderweireld
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This 75m talk is hilarious. We would just sign someone else and then come back in for Toby next year when he’s available for 25m.
It’s a made up figure.
It’s a made up figure.
Agreed. Don't see why he wouldn't just let his contract run down and sign for less in January or next summer.
I seriously doubt that Spurs will get 75m for Tobi. He's 29 ffs and he's not really that great as a defender.
I can't think of a defender in the league that would be entitled to higher wages than Alderweireld. Kyle Walker for example is being paid in the region of £130k a week so I certainly wouldn't say it'd be any less than that. Either way though Spurs aren't in a position to increase his salary by anything other than an incremental amount. Even increasing it to £100k would cause unrest with the likes of Kane, Alli, Lloris, Erikson, Son etc.
The same as is occurring with Alderweireld/Dembele/Rose and has occurred with Walker will happen with Sanchez and potentially De Ligt in 5-6 years if they reach their potential. They'll be looking to move for greener pastures and Spurs will be looking to maximise their profit.
WTF! Ahahaha. He's the best CB in the league, (after Jan). How on earth is he just worth 30 million? The whole point we are selling him is because next summer we'd have to sell him for just 25 million for gods sake, if we extend his contract for another year. What on earth makes you think Spurs would sell for just 5 million more now?
VVD went for 75 million who is an inferior CB to Alderweireld. Spurs will rightly use that PL to PL transfer of a top CB as a bench mark. His age isn't that relevant here because for CBs, they hit their peak at around 29 and can deliver for a few years yet. United fan are completely crazy if they think the fee will be less than 50 million as an absolute MINIMUM. Absolute minimum.You what? He's a world class CB.
Can I also add, I find this a bizarre signing from Uniteds POV. The guy has had serious soft tissue injuries recently. You already had one of the best defensive records in the league last season. Your problems aren't at CB. Signing Alderweireld may make you stronger slightly at the back, but that isn't where you need to strengthen. Also, you know Spurs will take you to the cleaners transfer fee wise.
People underestimate the negotiating prowess of Woody. He'll get him for 10 million + Jones or something like that.
Want.
So basically he's worth crazy money even given his contract situation BUT he's very probably declining due to injury!
I'm sure Levy will be better at this than you mind.
Smalling started 43 games this season. Some reserve, that.
His contract is running down and therefore he is worth less. Same reason we didn't sign Sanchez for £100m.WTF! Ahahaha. He's the best CB in the league, (after Jan). How on earth is he just worth 30 million? The whole point we are selling him is because next summer we'd have to sell him for just 25 million for gods sake, if we extend his contract for another year. What on earth makes you think Spurs would sell for just 5 million more now?
You what? He's a world class CB.
Can I also add, I find this a bizarre signing from Uniteds POV. The guy has had serious soft tissue injuries recently. You already had one of the best defensive records in the league last season. Your problems aren't at CB. Signing Alderweireld may make you stronger slightly at the back, but that isn't where you need to strengthen. Also, you know Spurs will take you to the cleaners transfer fee wise.
A CB with the ability to get the ball forward accurately and is a wall in defence. Can’t argue with it.
Only thing is, who plays on the left of Bailly or Toby?
We have a finite budget and other positions to take care of. Blowing a quarter or more of our transfer budget on an injury-prone CB after buying two CBs in the last two years is a big, big gamble.
He might be world class but he's no Stam, Rio or Vidic who were basically a 1 man defence. Considering his age, his injury concerns and the fact that's at the wrong end of his contract he's not worth 75m. At 75m we should go for Koulibaly whose younger and better. Alternatively there's Umtiti.
Regarding your second comment it reminds me of AC Milan in its glory days. They had this Sebastiano Rossi who was very average compared to its Italian rivals of the time. Yet he couldn't stop breaking records. Of course there was a reason behind this mystery ie Maldini, Baresi, Costacurta, Tassotti backed by Rijkaard in CM. You could put a rambling fool as a goalkeeper (think of Foster or Carroll) and they would still look decent
Now United has a great defensive record however at what cost? Matic has to stay deep all the time else someone will exploit Jones's at least 1 mistake per game (Shearer words not mine). Lack of leadership at the back means that we have to opt for Smalling instead of Lindelof for more defensive cover. That means that ball possession is out of the window since Smalling's distribution of the ball seems barely improved since his good old days at Maidstone. Meanwhile
Pogba is forced to commit to his defensive duties rather then go forward and be effective as he used to do at Juve. Our wingers can't be too adventurous because you can't really trust our makeshift wingers either. Which means Sanchez's and Rashford's game is suffering and we can barely use Mata and Martial anymore. Meanwhile we depend on the likes of Lingard and Fellaini to come in and add much needed workrate and steel.
We've just signed one of the most respectable scouts in the world, someone who worked at Juventus and AC Milan. Surely he must have come out with an alternative to Tobi if needs be. Regarding Spurs, well, good luck keeping happy their 29 year old player especially since they are ruining his final fat paycheck.
If we pay anywhere near £75m for Toby Alderweireld we(read Ed Woodward) want our bumps feeling.
Considering his contract situation and age he's not worth more than £35m, and that's obscene
Considering his contract situation and age he's not worth more than £35m, and that's obscene
Totally agree. Just highlights how poor Jose has been in the transfer market.
Why thank you kind Sir.
Seriously?
Lukaku, Matic and Pogba has been mint, its still early days for Lindelof and Bailly was our best CB up until injuries started cropping up. Mkhitaryan is Mou's only failure. Some people really need to get a grip. SAF's made plenty of messups in CBs from Prunier to Blanc right to Mickey, Berg and the Superstar. He also caused a hissy fit when the legendary Celio Silva wasn't given a work permit and went on spending ridiculous money for Rio after previously saying he wasn't worth 18m.
I wouldn't go that far, but I agree since SAF left, we haven't been great in the transfer market in general.
I am pinning my hopes on Javier Ribalta making big changes.
Someone drug test Levy
Forgot about @balaks yeah he's grand.
I never understood why would anyone waste his time posting in a rival forum. Doesn't Spurs has a forum of their own or are they too small for that?
I'm all for the signing but it's further evidence our signings have not been great under Mourinho. Third straight summer we're spending big bucks on a CB.
Would be disastrous if Smalling and Jones still end up as first choice while we have £120m worth of CBs on the bench. Hope Mourinho fills up all the holes.
Would be disastrous if Smalling and Jones still end up as first choice while we have £120m worth of CBs on the bench. Hope Mourinho fills up all the holes.
Yeah I am on a Spurs Forum too with over 10,000 posts
. I'm on here because most of my mates support United and I see the Caf as not just a United forum. I honestly think its a better place for having more than just United fans. Oh and I have a 2 hour commute most days so I have plenty of free time .All good points.
Can I just add...I think the article in the Mirror which said we were looking for 75 million is rubbish.
Spurs and Levy aren't stupid. I think £50 million is a fair price. There's no way we sell him for less. But due to injuries and his age and contract situation we can't realistically expect 75 mill. I was being a bit facetious in my previous post.
Also I do have a feeling United are the only club in for him. So we don't have a bidding war over him.
Actually one of the things that got me attracted to the forum. It's a good thing we have lots of opposition fans imo.
Yeah the £75M is BS, or Levy simply playing hardball with opening negotiations.
Lewis' report came from Spurs so it's not surprising we see a figure like that.
Deal will be done for Walker price.
Deal will be done for Walker price.
Levy gonna Levy, we know what he's like. No doubt he's said "VVD went for 75m and Alderweireld is just as good".
He's going to drive the hardest bargain we can, but i'm sure we'll settle around the 50m mark. It's still a cracking deal for them.
He's going to drive the hardest bargain we can, but i'm sure we'll settle around the 50m mark. It's still a cracking deal for them.
Have I got the wrong end of the stick, I thought that Alderweireld had a release clause that came into effect in the final year of his contract?
Yeah, but that’s next year.
Woodward wasn't born yesterday, hes not gonna buy a 29 for 75mil. Give the man a lil bit of credit..
Does Levy not realise this bites him in the long term?
What do you think we would ask for Martial after hearing this? They'll be forever trying to pick up gems from similar sized clubs than being able to sign a Matic, Sanchez, Martial etc with all of this scorched earth.
What do you think we would ask for Martial after hearing this? They'll be forever trying to pick up gems from similar sized clubs than being able to sign a Matic, Sanchez, Martial etc with all of this scorched earth.
WTF! Ahahaha. He's the best CB in the league, (after Jan). How on earth is he just worth 30 million? The whole point we are selling him is because next summer we'd have to sell him for just 25 million for gods sake, if we extend his contract for another year. What on earth makes you think Spurs would sell for just 5 million more now?
theres no danger that VVD is a inferior CB then Alderweireld, some of the comments on this topic you would think we were going all out to try get a prime Nesta or Maldini. price of 45/50m would be my top price, he aint getting games at spurs and they clearly aint going to play him as he wants to go,
But next year he'd have a fixed valuation of whatever it is, £25m or something..?
Yeah, but we need him now.
I think if there is a realistic chance of us getting Martial, negotiations would go much more smoothly. What do you want Levy to do? "Oh hello Woody, here have Toby for £40M and thanks for taking him off our hands".
I really don't see centre back as a priority. Especially with the figures being branded about for toby. Over the past seasons we've had moments of brain farts from all our centre backs but generally they haven't been a problem. The only big criticism I have is a lack of composure on the ball which adds to our poor general play. If toby takes up a large chunk of our transfer budget then that would be disappointing. We desperately need to fix the fullbacks and central midfield.
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