You're deluding yourself if you think that Toby would turn down moves to the likes of Atletico Madrid, Roma, Napoli, Inter Milan, Dortmund, Valencia etc if they were offering more wages than Spurs.
Toby Alderweireld
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You're deluding yourself if you think that Toby would turn down moves to the likes of Atletico Madrid, Roma, Napoli, Inter Milan, Dortmund, Valencia etc if they were offering more wages than Spurs.
Excuse me for not believing ITK bs. We have seen enough already on how that goes.
I'm saying he'll choose United over the clubs you mentioned. None of these clubs will be able to match the wages we offer as well.
The question is if those clubs will be offering more wages than United.
The bolded aren't step ups, he would probably stay where he is tbh.
Would United fans on here be happy if he was signed for 55 mil and 180k a week?
I’d say the majority wouldn’t care, if the fee was £55M or upwards I’d happily see him move to United TBH. I don’t see their massive need defensively that’s not where their problems lay this season.
I don't care how much we pay or how much we pay him.
The fee isn't an issue - we simply don't need him and would be better off spending our money on better attacking options.
I disagree, when a player of his quality becomes available we should be all over it.
Plus the likes Jones, Smalling, Rojos are not good enough and i wouldn't have any issues with all 3 of them being sold.
Even if it takes money away from elsewhere? If I was United I would be looking for a match winner, a Griezman, Dybala or Neymar.
Could not care less about the fee, I just don't think we would ever pay that for something we don't need as much as other positions.
His quality is somewhat overrated here and is being irrationally inflated because of the myth that our CBs are not good enough. I wouldn’t protest if we bought him but this is a position where we have the most depth and I would like to see verifiable improvements in attack before we start dropping money on CB for the third summer in a row.
Yep, I dont care about the monies involved
Hopefully we get it done before he goes off to the WC
The question is if those clubs will be offering more wages than United.
Well, if Levy says to Toby: "These clubs - X, Y and X - outside the Prem are offering more in wages than we will, so take either take your pick or sign a new contract, because we won't sell to a Prem rival" ... then what do you think the player is going to do?
I'm not saying this is what Levy will do, but he might well.
Yeah we bought Bailly and Lindelof in back to back summers and we barely played those two together. I feel like we should see if they can work as a pair next season.
As if that's how it's going to happen.
Why are you sure it won't?
I would be more amenable to De Ligt. Young player who could stay here for a decade or more, and could be gradually brought into the mix without the pressure to perform immediately.
Because Levy won't care what wages someone else offered to the player. If he wants to sell the player to clubs outside league, he won't be saying team x, y, z offered more wages.
I think he’s a very good player who I would like us to sign but I am wary that when we buy from another PL we could end up with another Schneiderlin on our hands.
As fecking horrendous as our football and manager are the only one of those clus Alderweirled would choose over us is Atleti if they matched the wages, the rest are not enticing enough in terms of winning ANYTHING, nevermind a league.
Of course he would, because he knows that Alderweireld's prime motivation is money. But in any case the player would likely know all about the offers anyway.
Isn't this strategy part of our problems lately?
Instead of a slow and steady teambuilding our guys in charge have been drooling over the top names that becomes available every season. Since Fergie left we've been buying players for +500m and our squad is still full of holes, still unbalanced, still very little cohesion and chemistry in the team.
Every player's primary motivation is money. Why will Levy cares what wages are offered, it's player agent's work to do all the dirty work.
Call his bluff and leave in a year for half the fee?
Well it is frankly annoying that we need 5 first team CBs(and Blind can play CB too) because of injury issues. When most top sides have 4 or 3. Chelsea have 5 but, they play with a three man defense and Azpi would be a FB again if they went to a 4 man backline.
Previously that may have been due to the African Cup of Nations where Bailly may have been gone in combination to the fact that we have several injury prone defenders (Bailly, Jones, and Rojo). Now that the Cup has been moved to summer it may lessen the need for 5.
The player will say United are offering 25% more than those clubs and unless you find me the same offer, I'm going to threaten to score own goals and call myself a slave?
Perhaps, but then which clubs will offer 180k per week on a long contract to a player who would turn 31 during his first season at the new club? And even this assumes he avoids any serious injury during the coming season.
It starts to reach the point where Toby might just be as better off financially signing the new Spurs contract now with the massive wage hike on offer.
I could not agree more.
We have more pressing priorities that need addressing such as the fullback positions, a creative midfielder and right winger. We are absolutely stacked in central defence.
Meanwhile Spurs are stuck with a player they won’t play every week. To go with Danny Rose.
It starts to reach the point where Spurs are just wasting money and might be better off financially getting rid of him.
Perhaps, but then Levy might say in reply: "Fine, in that case you'll play in the reserves all season ... and there you can score all the own goals you like and massively damage your professional reputation in the process".
It's not wise to under-estimate Levy's potential willingness to play hardball in these situations. His resolve has been stiffened by the Berbatov saga.
I'm not saying that any of this is necessarily going to happen. Indeed, I'm not even entirely convinced that Alderweireld won't end up signing the new contract with Spurs. It's all just speculation as to possibilities.
Like he did with Kyle Walker?
Ed Woodward, without blinking, would 100% make that offer and then some if need be. He is the ultimate transfer muppet.
Hope we steer clear of Toby, myself. We don't need him.
Who says he wouldn't play every week? If Spurs revert to a back 3 then he certainly would. And after all, why would Spurs even offer him a massive new contract if they don't intend to play him a lot if he signs?
As for Rose, again who says he won't play every week? It's all down to the healthy competition between him and Davies for the LB slot.
It's not wise to over-estimate the hand Levy has at the moment, 1 year later the player can leave for 25m to anywhere he wants.
Different kettle of fish. If Spurs ideally want to play with 3 at the back, then we need Alderweireld for that. Whereas with Walker we already had Trippier as an able replacement, a player who had (and has) improved a lot under Poch.
A lot of money for someone with a lot of injury problems this season and is almost 30. Of course he'll be fine for a few years likely, but it's very short term planning. And short term planning is only worth it if anything comes of it... and I don't think we'll win anything worthwhile with Mourinho. So I'm pretty meh about it.
Of course he'd improve us next season, and I'm more for this one then others like Willian, since our center backs lack a proper experienced and reliable player, but it's still not entirely exciting. Our defence has it's problems, but is far from the main problem. Even in the cup final, Jones made a mistake, sure, but if you can't score or create chances regularly, then you're probably going to struggle to win. So while he'd improve us, I don't think it'd make a huge difference in terms of what we do. I see it like the signings we make will probably at most make us a better side overall but still not get close to the title, but actually deserve our place ~2nd in the league, while this season we massively overperformed relative to on field performances.
True, but then in the one intervening season (a) Spurs get to have Alderweireld in the squad; and (b) Alderweireld loses out on the massive wage hike for that year that he would have gained if he'd signed the new contract or accepted a move away from the Prem.
I'm just saying that not all the bargaining chips are with Alderweireld.
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