Toby Alderweireld

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GlastonSpur said:
Sanchez: "It's true that I was always linked [with Barcelona]. There was an offer on the table, but you have to think about the conditions."

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/sanc...ed-barcelona-switch/uvv0xl8n1kud1jb57skdrtnjm
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Yeah and every player that Liverpool signed in the Fergie era usuallly said they rejected United first.

Anyway even in Sanchez' own comments about rejecting Barcelona, he was rejecting their B team.

Sanchez: "There was an offer on the table, but you have to think about the conditions.
I had just won the Libertadores and had to go to Barcelona's second team."
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http://www.marca.com/en/football/barcelona/2018/01/23/5a677966e2704e7e3a8b4571.html
 
FlawlessThaw said:
De Ligt is a notch above Sanchez though and I don't remember any of the other big clubs being significantly interested in Sanchez last summer which is why Spurs could wait to sign him until mid August.

Barca would prefer not to sign De Ligt this summer though.
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Rumours were at the time Barca and Juventus main interest with Bayern taking a look as well. Chose Spurs due to path to first team football and has he missed a game? Like Eriksen before him, walked into the starting team.

Im firmly a believer of young players playing first team football, not sitting on the bench at a mega bucks club. Will see what De Ligt Chooses, could go to a mega bucks club and play 12 games a season or could fight for 1st choice CB spot at a club like Spurs.
 
Scroto Baggins said:
Rumours were at the time Barca and Juventus main interest with Bayern taking a look as well. Chose Spurs due to path to first team football and has he missed a game? Like Eriksen before him, walked into the starting team.

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No real significant interest though especially as he was still at Ajax come late August. There’s always rumours and I’m sure clubs took a look at him but baulked at the £42m price tag.

Think it’s fair to say with De Ligt there will be more competition.
 
Zoo said:
I don’t think either of the Spanish big 2 clubs will be interested in buying Alderweireld.
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Heard Barcelona are a possible destination for him actually.

bond19821982 said:
You can keep dreaming if you think we will let Martial go less than 70m to any of our rivals. Moreover Son or Eriksen whoever plays on your left is much better and he will end up having same issues as here. Not even considering the fact that he prefers a central role.

Will tell you whats going to happen. Like Walker, you will sell him to 5-10 m more than whats reported to clubs outside of EPL.
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No way you get 70m for Martial. He's now classified as a bit part rotation player thanks to Mourinho so £50 million is a much more likely price.

Cassidy said:
Oh he told you this?
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Various reports and ITK information I've seen has indicated Martial would like to move to us yes.

Apparently Juventus and Bayern are interested but Martial would prefer to stay in the PL. So really that only leaves Chelsea and Spurs as realistic options. You won't sell him to Liverpool and city don't want him.

So if you're Martial do you prefer to work under a manager who has a proven track record of playing and improving young players and has signalled he wants you? Or do you choose Chelsea who don't even know who their next manager will be? If you're Martial, Spurs are quite clearly the most attractive option for you at this stage of your career.

It's just applying common sense to the situation. Of course United could force Martial to move abroad. That's possible. However I know Poch really really wants to sign martial. He's one his top targets, and guess What? It just so happens you want to sign one of our CBs.

Don't think that United get to sign one of our players and we don't get what we want in return. That's not how it works.

I'm really interested to see how this all plays out for sure.
 
Primativ said:
Heard Barcelona are a possible destination for him actually.



No way you get 70m for Martial. He's now classified as a bit part rotation player thanks to Mourinho so £50 million is a much more likely price.



Various reports and ITK information I've seen has indicated Martial would like to move to us yes.

Apparently Juventus and Bayern are interested but Martial would prefer to stay in the PL. So really that only leaves Chelsea and Spurs as realistic options. You won't sell him to Liverpool and city don't want him.

So if you're Martial do you prefer to work under a manager who has a proven track record of playing and improving young players and has signalled he wants you? Or do you choose Chelsea who don't even know who their next manager will be? If you're Martial, Spurs are quite clearly the most attractive option for you at this stage of your career.

It's just applying common sense to the situation. Of course United could force Martial to move abroad. That's possible. However I know Poch really really wants to sign martial. He's one his top targets, and guess What? It just so happens you want to sign one of our CBs.

Don't think that United get to sign one of our players and we don't get what we want in return. That's not how it works.
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I very much doubt we will sell him to any PL club, regardless of him wanting to stay in the PL
 
Primativ said:
Same could be said for Toby Alderweireld too.
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I wouldn't put it past you to sell him abroad, but if Martial leaves I reckon it will be to somewhere like Juve
 
We need a defensive shake up.

Signing Toby makes so much sense.

Wants out of Spurs, is prem proven, is better than what we have.

No-brainer
 
Primativ said:
No way you get 70m for Martial. He's now classified as a bit part rotation player thanks to Mourinho so £50 million is a much more likely price.
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That's just nonsense. By that logic Alderweireld is worth 25 and I doubt you're saying that.
 
Lash said:
That's just nonsense. By that logic Alderweireld is worth 25 and I doubt you're saying that.
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Alderweireld is a world class defender at his peak. Martial is young but relatively unproven consistently so yes, they would both me worth 50 million for different reasons. Toby is worth only 50 million and not far far more because of his age. Martial is worth 50 million and not more as he can't even get in your first team regularly and hasn't performed consistently.

You're dreaming if you think you'll get 70 million for Martial. Who is going to pay that? Show me the club's. Just because you vastly overpaid for him 2 years ago...
 
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Primativ said:
Alderweireld is a world class defender at his peak. Martial is young but relatively unproven consistently so yes, they would both me worth 50 million for different reasons. Toby is worth only 50 million and not far far more because of his age. Martial is worth 50 million and not more as he can't even get in your first team regularly and hasn't performed consistently.
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He's also not played most of the season and not been picked regularly towards the end of the season. Martial is only 22 and scored as many as Alli in the league this season, despite not being fully in the first team as you said. Your logic behind them being worth the same is odd.
 
Primativ said:
Heard Barcelona are a possible destination for him actually.



No way you get 70m for Martial. He's now classified as a bit part rotation player thanks to Mourinho so £50 million is a much more likely price.



Various reports and ITK information I've seen has indicated Martial would like to move to us yes.

Apparently Juventus and Bayern are interested but Martial would prefer to stay in the PL. So really that only leaves Chelsea and Spurs as realistic options. You won't sell him to Liverpool and city don't want him.

So if you're Martial do you prefer to work under a manager who has a proven track record of playing and improving young players and has signalled he wants you? Or do you choose Chelsea who don't even know who their next manager will be? If you're Martial, Spurs are quite clearly the most attractive option for you at this stage of your career.

It's just applying common sense to the situation. Of course United could force Martial to move abroad. That's possible. However I know Poch really really wants to sign martial. He's one his top targets, and guess What? It just so happens you want to sign one of our CBs.

Don't think that United get to sign one of our players and we don't get what we want in return. That's not how it works.

I'm really interested to see how this all plays out for sure.
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After his recent comments, we don't even know if Spurs are prepared to match Poch's ambition. He may not even be there next season. Also, Kane wants to come to us... because we can widely speculate about what someone wants without a shred of proof in an attempt to get a rise out of United fans.
 
Primativ said:
Martial wants to come to us.
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Then why do you need our interest in Toby as a way in?
If he wants to join and it looks like we're selling him then Toby should have nothing to do with the transfer.
I'd wager he's Dortmund / Juve bound.
 
Dennis Viollet said:
55 ml? He had only one year left on his contract!
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United's a commerical juggernaut so who cares? Woodward will just get another sleep recovery specialist sponsor or something.

Yes we pay over the odds. We almost always have. Its just the market is more inflated these days.

I don't care if the club spends £300m or £400m this summer as long as we get the players we need.
 
Primativ said:
So if you're Martial do you prefer to work under a manager who has a proven track record of playing and improving young players and has signalled he wants you? Or do you choose Chelsea who don't even know who their next manager will be? If you're Martial, Spurs are quite clearly the most attractive option for you at this stage of your career.
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If I'm Martial I will choose Chelsea, it's not even difficult decision.

Well if I'm Martial I won't leave ManUtd but if there is a chance between Chelsea and Spurs, it's not even a difficult decision.
 
Primativ said:
Heard Barcelona are a possible destination for him actually.
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Why is every single Spurs fan on here saying stuff like 'hearing he's going to Barca'.
Either all of them are ITKs or they believe that by saying something repeatedly over and over again will somehow make it happen.
Every Spanish paper is saying that Barca are behind Lengelt, who has a 30 million euro release clause, why would they want someone who would cost twice that to come sit on the bench.
Maybe it's time you guys start to hear him being linked with say Real Madrid!
 
Primativ said:
Various reports and ITK information I've seen has indicated Martial would like to move to us yes.

Apparently Juventus and Bayern are interested but Martial would prefer to stay in the PL. So really that only leaves Chelsea and Spurs as realistic options. You won't sell him to Liverpool and city don't want him.

So if you're Martial do you prefer to work under a manager who has a proven track record of playing and improving young players and has signalled he wants you? Or do you choose Chelsea who don't even know who their next manager will be? If you're Martial, Spurs are quite clearly the most attractive option for you at this stage of your career.
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I havent heard any reports or ITK information that Martial prefers a move to Spurs.

And your point about the manager is an interesting one given there is no real guarantee that Pochettino will be at Spurs long term particularly given his recent comments.
 
Why are Spurs fans always the most defensive, obnoxious fellas on here?
 
LennonNL said:
Why are Spurs fans always the most defensive, obnoxious fellas on here?
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No idea, it's weird to see their line of thinking.

All their players are good enough to play for Barca/Bayern and Real and every elite young talent wants to play for Poch.
 
So at the moment it’s looking likely 3 of our signings are going to be Alderweireld, Alex Sandro and Willian with Fred and Savic both heavily and constantly linked to us too.

If we were to get those 5 players and a right back would people be happy with those signings ? I imagine Johnstone, Darmian, a centre back, Blind, Carrick with retirement, Fellaini and Wilson are all definitely going with Mata and/or Martial possibilities too.
 
davidmichael said:
So at the moment it’s looking likely 3 of our signings are going to be Alderweireld, Alex Sandro and Willian with Fred and Savic both heavily and constantly linked to us too.

If we were to get those 5 players and a right back would people be happy with those signings ? I imagine Johnstone, Darmian, a centre back, Blind, Carrick with retirement, Fellaini and Wilson are all definitely going with Mata and/or Martial possibilities too.
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feck yes..
Changed the side massively.
 
InLevyITrust said:
Do you not think that’s a massive exaggeration?
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Are you not following this thread, just in last 2 pages alone you have one Spurs fan telling us how Davinson Sanchez rejected Barca to play for Spurs. Then you have another fan telling us how Martial wants to stay in PL and 'wants to come to Spurs'. And even though it has been pointed n number of times, Barcelona are looking to sign Lenglet as a squad player which kills the Spain option yet every time I step into this thread there's constant talk of Alderweireld going to Barcelona.

You sold Walker to a direct rival and didn't get any player in return from City, a player who was on a longer contract and played in a position which is severely lacking in quality nowadays. Now that another player in Alderweireld wants to leave, again the same thing is being rehashed 'we won't strengthen a PL rival, we'll get 1 of the players in return that's only how deal will be done'. You do know you're not in a position to bargain?
 
davidmichael said:
So at the moment it’s looking likely 3 of our signings are going to be Alderweireld, Alex Sandro and Willian with Fred and Savic both heavily and constantly linked to us too.

If we were to get those 5 players and a right back would people be happy with those signings ? I imagine Johnstone, Darmian, a centre back, Blind, Carrick with retirement, Fellaini and Wilson are all definitely going with Mata and/or Martial possibilities too.
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If we are signing those five players this year I hope and pray that it all works out, that it all clicks.
If we fail despite spending what looks like nearly 250 mill pre sales, there are gonna be repercussions.
Jose will probably loose his job and the new manager won't have much to spend as we would have spend nearly 800 million in the last 5 years.
Also we would go for a younger manager, who could take time find his feet.
Not to mention we would be stuck with 4 30 plus year olds.
This upcoming season is going to be a do or die and I hope Jose delivers.
 
Kush said:
Are you not following this thread, just in last 2 pages alone you have one Spurs fan telling us how Davinson Sanchez rejected Barca to play for Spurs. Then you have another fan telling us how Martial wants to stay in PL and 'wants to come to Spurs'. And even though it has been pointed n number of times, Barcelona are looking to sign Lenglet as a squad player which kills the Spain option yet every time I step into this thread there's constant talk of Alderweireld going to Barcelona.

You sold Walker to a direct rival and didn't get any player in return from City, a player who was on a longer contract and played in a position which is severely lacking in quality nowadays. Now that another player in Alderweireld wants to leave, again the same thing is being rehashed 'we won't strengthen a PL rival, we'll get 1 of the players in return that's only how deal will be done'. You do know you're not in a position to bargain?
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And you call Spurs fans arrogant?

Sanchez didn't turn Barca down for Spurs, he turned Barca down to play for Ajax, he said it himself. I would hope that Levy is trying to sell Toby abroad but will take silly money for him in the PL, like he did for Walker, £50M was impressive. New today that United are ready to offer £55M for Toby, I would be fine with that TBH.

I never said we would get Martial, I would like to think its discussed as we have had an interest in Martial for a long time, that's if United are in talks for Toby. How exactly are we in no position to bargain?
 
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InLevyITrust said:
And you call Spurs fans arrogant?

Sanchez didn't turn Barca down for Spurs, he turned Barca down to play for Ajax, he said it himself. I would hope that Levy is trying to sell Toby abroad but will take silly money for him in the PL, like he did for Walker, £65M was impressive.

I never said we would get Martial, I would like to think its discussed as we have had an interest in Martial for a long time, that's if United are in talks for Toby How exactly are we in no position to bargain?
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Kyle Walker went for £45m with another £5m in addons. Dunno where you got that extra £15m from, but it seems to be norm with Spurs fan over exaggerating the fees. Besides he was a proven RB in the league and at a good age, when you consider a 22 year old Mendy went for £58m it's not silly money by any means especially when it's within the PL itself.

You can have interest in Messi for all I care, point is will you fork out what's required. I remember Spurs submitting a bid in region of £20m for Martial in January and were promptly told to do one. Alderweireld is 29 and doesn't want to renew, you already have Sanchez and Vertonghen locked as your CBs meaning this is the summer to cash out on him or lose potential £15-20m in space of an year. That's why you're not in a position to bargain. Martial is 22, and has lot of suitors abroad who'd be willing to pay what's required and also takes out the option of him playing for a PL club. Who's interested in Alderweireld and willing to pay what's required apart from us?

We sold a much worse talent in Depay abroad rather than within the PL (Everton were interested) and for good measure also inserted a ROFR clause (not something a PL club would agree to). That's for a player who hasn't even done 1/10th of what Martial has done for us.
 
Kush said:
Kyle Walker went for £45m with another £5m in addons. Dunno where you got that extra £15m from, but it seems to be norm with Spurs fan over exaggerating the fees. Besides he was a proven RB in the league and at a good age, when you consider a 22 year old Mendy went for £58m it's not silly money by any means especially when it's within the PL itself.

You can have interest in Messi for all I care, point is will you fork out what's required. I remember Spurs submitting a bid in region of £20m for Martial in January and were promptly told to do one. Alderweireld is 29 and doesn't want to renew, you already have Sanchez and Vertonghen locked as your CBs meaning this is the summer to cash out on him or lose potential £15-20m in space of an year. That's why you're not in a position to bargain. Martial is 22, and has lot of suitors abroad who'd be willing to pay what's required and also takes out the option of him playing for a PL club. Who's interested in Alderweireld and willing to pay what's required apart from us?

We sold a much worse talent in Depay abroad rather than within the PL (Everton were interested) and for good measure also inserted a ROFR clause (not something a PL club would agree to). That's for a player who hasn't even done 1/10th of what Martial has done for us.
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All I said was I hope that, if You are talking to us about Toby that Martial is mentioned, why the hate? The Walker transfer was a typo apologies.

I heard the rumour of us offering £20M for him and I call that absolute BS, or was simply Levy trolling lol. As for other clubs interest in Toby, I am sure there will be a number of enquires for him as he is one of the best CBs in Europe. We didn't pay £40M for Toby so we wouldn't lose anything, if we did sell him for £25M we would still make a profit on him, I do however think he will be sold this summer.
 
InLevyITrust said:
All I said was I hope that, if You are talking to us about Toby that Martial is mentioned, why the hate? The Walker transfer was a typo apologies.

I heard the rumour of us offering £20M for him and I call that absolute BS, or was simply Levy trolling lol. As for other clubs interest in Toby, I am sure there will be a number of enquires for him as he is one of the best CBs in Europe. We didn't pay £40M for Toby so we wouldn't lose anything, if we did sell him for £25M we would still make a profit on him, I do however think he will be sold this summer.
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I apologize if my tone in the post was too aggressive, there's no hate if you're interested in Martial. I'm just trying to understand how those talks will possibly go, this is Alderweireld's last big shot at a move and Spurs last chance to get good money out of him. Sum we'd be willing to pay in cash without involving another player, a player who might we worth 2-3x times in future for what Alderweireld goes for this summer. It doesn't make any sense for us to do a deal like that for a CB, if it was Kane it might be another story altogether.

Mourinho is many things but even deep down he knows Martial could tear it up for someone else. Part of the reason Woodward stated last summer that United will insert a buyback/ROFR clause on the players they sell like Barca/Real do (possibly to avoid another Salah or de Bruyne) I'm resigned to losing Martial this summer myself but we'll pick a suitor abroad who suits our demands, Juventus have been mentioned and as it turns out we're also interested in signing Alex Sandro. Juventus were okay with Madrid inserting a buyback clause in Morata transfer so maybe we could work something like that with them. I just can't see your chairman agreeing to something like that even if we were bonkers enough to sell him to you in first place.
 
Decomposing In Paris said:
After his recent comments, we don't even know if Spurs are prepared to match Poch's ambition. He may not even be there next season. Also, Kane wants to come to us... because we can widely speculate about what someone wants without a shred of proof in an attempt to get a rise out of United fans.
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Poch is signing a new contract at Spurs and has just told Chelsea to do one. He is absolutely committed to Spurs. I'm not trying to get a rise out of you, Martial is clearly unhappy at United. It's deluded to think he wouldn't be keen on moving to another CL club in this league, in London, with a top manager. He wants a fresh start.

cyberman said:
Then why do you need our interest in Toby as a way in?
If he wants to join and it looks like we're selling him then Toby should have nothing to do with the transfer.
I'd wager he's Dortmund / Juve bound.
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Because that's how transfers work. You would ideally not want to sell Martial to another PL club if you can help it. However seeing as Spurs have a player you really want, United may be more inclined to sell Martial to Spurs so all parties get what they want. Its really not tricky to fathom. I don't know a reality where Spurs would sell Alderweireld to United and not get a reciprocal gesture from United over Martial. Do you?

roonster09 said:
If I'm Martial I will choose Chelsea, it's not even difficult decision.

Well if I'm Martial I won't leave ManUtd but if there is a chance between Chelsea and Spurs, it's not even a difficult decision.
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Thank God you're not his advisor then, absolutely clueless. Spurs have CL football, a brand new stadium, stability, and most my importantly, a excellent manager with a track record of improving players. Chelsea are in the Europa League and are about to sack Conte, have just tried and failed to entice Poch, and are now looking at other options. I can absolutely see why Martial would think Spurs is a better move for him. Many players move to Chelsea and disappear off the radar. Drinkwater, Barkley, Batshuayi, Morata, even Willian. The list is endless.

FlawlessThaw said:
I havent heard any reports or ITK information that Martial prefers a move to Spurs.

And your point about the manager is an interesting one given there is no real guarantee that Pochettino will be at Spurs long term particularly given his recent comments.
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He's about to sign a new contract.

Kush said:
No idea, it's weird to see their line of thinking.

All their players are good enough to play for Barca/Bayern and Real and every elite young talent wants to play for Poch.
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No-one has said that.
 
Primativ said:
Thank God you're not his advisor then, absolutely clueless. Spurs have CL football, a brand new stadium, stability, and most my importantly, a excellent manager with a track record of improving players. Chelsea are in the Europa League and are about to sack Conte, have just tried and failed to entice Poch, and are now looking at other options. I can absolutely see why Martial would think Spurs is a better move for him. Many players move to Chelsea and disappear off the radar. Drinkwater, Barkley, Batshuayi, Morata, even Willian. The list is endless.
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Tried and failed to entice Poch? If only you belive every single rumour.

It's not hard, Chelsea who won 2 league titles in 4 years vs Spurs who won feck all in last 10 years and probably a decent cup in last 20-30 years.

Brand new stadium? :lol:

You can join the team that has realistic chance of winning league and other titles, on top of that superb wages or join a team who celebrates finishing in top 4, wins feck all and average wages. One year in CL and other team out of CL doesn't mean much. You join for long term aspirations, otherwise Leicester would have signed way too many players when they were in CL, or even La Liga, Bundesliga clubs who are in CL. CL alone is not the selling point, there are lot of factors.

yeah, clueless.

You want to see the list of players who disappeared after joining Spurs? Also Willian and Morata disappeared? only if you closed your eyes whenever they were on the field.
 
Primativ said:
Because that's how transfers work. You would ideally not want to sell Martial to another PL club if you can help it. However seeing as Spurs have a player you really want, United may be more inclined to sell Martial to Spurs so all parties get what they want. Its really not tricky to fathom. I don't know a reality where Spurs would sell Alderweireld to United and not get a reciprocal gesture from United over Martial. Do you?
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Did you get any when you sold Modric, Bale, Walker and few other players?
 
Primativ said:
Martial wants to come to us.
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Doubtful, to sit on the bench behind Kane and get paid less? Im confident he could really give Morata and Giroud a run for first team football, Kane otoh is on another level. Chelsea is his best bet for me if he wants to stay in the PL.



Craig Ward said:
We need a defensive shake up.

Signing Toby makes so much sense.

Wants out of Spurs, is prem proven, is better than what we have.

No-brainer
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Agree with this 100%, does he instantly improve our defense? Yes. Dont get the 'but hes 29' brigade, Matic is 29, im quite happy to have him. 55mil is a bit of a laugh however with one year left on his contract. Try around the 40mil mark I think is a more fair valuation of the players worth given age and contract.
 
Primativ said:
Poch is signing a new contract at Spurs and has just told Chelsea to do one. He is absolutely committed to Spurs. I'm not trying to get a rise out of you, Martial is clearly unhappy at United. It's deluded to think he wouldn't be keen on moving to another CL club in this league, in London, with a top manager. He wants a fresh start.
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He hasn't signed it yet though, it's pretty much all press talk atm. There's been plenty of paper talk about Martial... such as him leaving Old Trafford on the last day of the season, never to play for us again... He then came off the bench in the cup final, having only just recovered from the reported injury. Not many retractions floating around. It's all negative all the time surrounding United in the press. The fact that we finished 2nd is treated as an anomaly, we beat every team in the league this season, but have been defined by a boring draw at Anfield. I'm pretty sure the players don't enjoy that, but it doesn't mean they want to leave. If Pochetino went to Chelsea he'd be inheriting a squad that needs a lot of work, and he'd be dropping out of the Champions League... they may have just won the FA Cup, but there might be more interesting offers out there. If Martial goes to Spurs, he'll be one of 7 players (Martial, Kane, Alli, Son, Eriksen, Moura, and Lamela) competing for a maximum of 4 starting spots. That's not much, if any, better than his position at United (Martial, Lukaku, Sanchez, Rashford, Mata, Lingard). Your last sentence repeats your stance that you know what Martial is thinking. Maybe Martial looks at Spurs and thinks he'd prefer not to play with a player who might claim the goals he scores?
 
2 ways i look at this signing. The amount being quoted for him is alot. The worry for us is we have so much wrong with other positions - full backs, midfield, right wing - if we were not to get players in those positions then regardless of signing toby we would still struggle albeit wed be a bit better playing out from the back.

Other way to look at it is - if we fill those other positions or even some of them then we will obviously be stronger next year with toby at the back
Edit: reminds me of the sanchez deal, we are going for him as we know hes available
 
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