He looks gangly and awkward on the ball like Fellaini some times. He's also the least gifted player in that midfield, like Fellaini is in ours. It's not an entirely unfair comment.
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He looks gangly and awkward on the ball like Fellaini some times. He's also the least gifted player in that midfield, like Fellaini is in ours. It's not an entirely unfair comment.
The black Drinkwater is more apt. Disclaimer: I've watched him play twice. Which is enough.
Many levels above Fellaini though
Doesn't appear anything special. Could improve over time though.
Not sure about many levels, but better yes.
He's got everything to be a midfield powerhouse and he's still young. If he gets the right coaching to hone his skills then i think a few may end up eating their words in 2-3 years.
The Fellaini comparisons are way wide of the mark in my opinion.
The Fellaini comparisons are way wide of the mark in my opinion.
Is he really that promising or is it that everyone is dreaming of a midfield powerhouse who both screen defense and play box2box?
I think he is. Strong, athletic, got good stamina, good enough passer of the ball, hasxthe ability to beat 2 or 3 players through the middle with his powerful running. If a coach can bring this all together and teach him how to best apply himself them he could be very good. He's only 22 years old, still a way to go before he hits his prime. Maturity and experience alone will see him improve anyway.
I'd rather move for him when/if he brings all that together.
He wouldn't play for Man United at the moment, Pogba is better than him as CM and so is Herrera in all-round contribution. Fabinho is a better DM and CM in the same team. He wouldn't get time to develop here.
I also have, as I've mentioned many times in this thread, severe doubts that he has the high potential that some people seem to see in him.
Needs to bulk up
I'm one of those who prefers a midfielders primary attribute to be passing. So am not too into this signing. Then again on that basis I'm not gaga over the likes of kante.
Fair enough. People are jumping on the fabinho bandwagon after list night, and he was good, but in the first leg i thought he was pretty poor and was to blame along with Sidibe for a lot of good chances that City created on their way to scoring 5 goals.
2 from corners 1 from a free kick and a GK mistake?
Pogba's problem this season has not been who is or is not playing with. Neither has been where he is playing (he's played everywhere in the middle this season). He has simply been making too many school boy errors and not stamping his authority on games well enough. I think he's tired and still trying to live with the 90 million price tag. Hopefully, he'll be a lot better next season.
Hopefully he will regain his form of a couple of months back as he was excellent then.
Bokayoko is decent. A typical Jose Mourinho DM. He played well yesterday. I liked him. Although I am only keen two players from Monaco: Bernado Silva (think about a Mata with more pace and better dribbling skills) and Fabinho (Ball playing right back who can comfortably play as a defensive midfielder). Valencia needs very good competition. I'm sorry but I am not a fan of Darmian. I also don't ever want to see Rojo at right back.
Bernado is Portuguese so maybe Jose might be able to lure him if he wants him. I think the team needs some ballers. Players who love to have the ball, keep it, dribble when necessary and make splitting passes.
Bokayoko will be a good buy but I like the rumours surrounding Rodrigo Caio and Kevin Strootman. Strootman is tough tackling, can play box to box, as a CM and is a damn good deep lying playmaker (think Carrick). Caio can play as a defensive midfielder and a central defender. Both lads can play.
"Chances". I didn't say directly responsible for the goals. Though, if i remember right, he was marking Aguero for his goal from the corner. Could be wrong on that though, just going from memory.
Neither player had a good game in the 2nd half against City. They got overrun and it was mostly the managers fault for not switching to a more defensive approach after they had a comfortable lead.
I watched Monaco's group games too. Last night was the 7th time I watched them for full 90 and while performances (obviously) fluctuate a bit from game to game, Fabinho has always looked the better of the two for me.
Ask anyone who watches Monaco and they'll tell you one thing. Bakayoko is not a DM and never was.
He has only played as a CM for them in the same way Pogba only really plays as a CM for us.
Who is the better player? Which one would suit our system better?
Bakayoko
Danilo Pereira
Bakayoko
Danilo Pereira
I wasn't overly impressed with over both legs, he was outshone by Fabinho last night. Bakayoko's awareness let him down a lot over both legs.
Bakayoko would be absolutely perfect if he could arrive together with Fabinho.
Hes exactly what we need.
He's tired yes, but a big part of his problem is that he's not always in a system or position that suits his game, too often being tasked with defensive duties he's not cut out for, or seeing too much of the ball because we don't have a playmaker when Carrick isn't on, this is where the mistakes creep in from Pogba, if he sees to mmuch of the ball he starts losing focus and gets impatient and tries to force things.
He really isn't, Herrera does everything he can better and is better on the ball, Bakayoko is a headless chicken type of CM, running around all over the place but lacking in positional discipline and intelligence, Fabinho is clearly the much better player and much more suited to what we need, a proper holder with excellent defensive positioning to act as a safety net for Pogba.
I agree with you in many ways.
Pogba's 'problem' is that he is one of the most complete midfielders in the world. He has such traits that make you think he can play anywhere accross the middle. So, when you have players like Miki, Mata, Herrera, Carrick and Felliani, whose, positions are a lot easier to settle on, you tend to slot a Pogba into anywhere in the middle depending on the formation you are playing or which of the other players are available. That's why he has been moved around a lot this season, perhaps more than any other player at United. Even analysts have had a tough time defining Pogba despite his Juve experience. Some argued he is a Yaya Toure. Others say Viera. Some say he is a playmaker in the Sneijder mould. This is perhaps why at the last Euros, he was the easiest guy to ask to move back and allow Griezeman to play the freer, more forward role.
When you consider Pogba's attributes, the confusion surrounding him makes some sense and rotating him around in a team like United that paid almost a 100 million for him, makes sense. Nevertheless, this creates problems as we have seen this season. Players tend to play better when you give them fixed roles. At Juve, Pogba's best position was at the left side of the midfield, using his trickery, passing range and shooting skills to course problems for opponents. Having Patrice Evra behind him was particularly brilliant in his last season at Juve. Little wonder he had the highest assists in the league and was the stand out player.
I think Jose should have understood Pogba by now. When the right players are brought into the team next season and Pogba would have gotten used to the 100 million price tag, I am convinced United will be glad they brought him back. I see Jose not needing to replace Carrick with Pogba or play him as a deep lying midfielder once the necessary buys are made for the team. He has to be pushed forward. He has to play a role close to being the playmaker. He is a baller, a free spirited footballer with unique dribbling, passing and shooting talents. Jose should think Lampard next season - a midfielder who can increase goal rates either through shooting, positioning, creating spaces or simply assisting. Anything short of this and pundits, the media and opposing fans will have countless days labelling him, the most expensive flop in football history.
Pogba's 'problem' is that he is one of the most complete midfielders in the world. He has such traits that make you think he can play anywhere accross the middle. So, when you have players like Miki, Mata, Herrera, Carrick and Felliani, whose, positions are a lot easier to settle on, you tend to slot a Pogba into anywhere in the middle depending on the formation you are playing or which of the other players are available. That's why he has been moved around a lot this season, perhaps more than any other player at United. Even analysts have had a tough time defining Pogba despite his Juve experience. Some argued he is a Yaya Toure. Others say Viera. Some say he is a playmaker in the Sneijder mould. This is perhaps why at the last Euros, he was the easiest guy to ask to move back and allow Griezeman to play the freer, more forward role.
When you consider Pogba's attributes, the confusion surrounding him makes some sense and rotating him around in a team like United that paid almost a 100 million for him, makes sense. Nevertheless, this creates problems as we have seen this season. Players tend to play better when you give them fixed roles. At Juve, Pogba's best position was at the left side of the midfield, using his trickery, passing range and shooting skills to course problems for opponents. Having Patrice Evra behind him was particularly brilliant in his last season at Juve. Little wonder he had the highest assists in the league and was the stand out player.
I think Jose should have understood Pogba by now. When the right players are brought into the team next season and Pogba would have gotten used to the 100 million price tag, I am convinced United will be glad they brought him back. I see Jose not needing to replace Carrick with Pogba or play him as a deep lying midfielder once the necessary buys are made for the team. He has to be pushed forward. He has to play a role close to being the playmaker. He is a baller, a free spirited footballer with unique dribbling, passing and shooting talents. Jose should think Lampard next season - a midfielder who can increase goal rates either through shooting, positioning, creating spaces or simply assisting. Anything short of this and pundits, the media and opposing fans will have countless days labelling him, the most expensive flop in football history.
Dont know if he is worth the money. Fellaini comparisons are weird, since he is better technically and can beat a player. I posted it once, but he reminds me of Diaby in playing style, but more heavier.
He would compete with Herrera for the spot, and they are both different player types. I dont think he would be someone we need to buy. We could use him, but i dont see a priority signing or someone i would say spend 30m without thinking twice. That said, we still need a box to box player, to rotate/compete with Herrera/Pogba. We are so light in midfield, that we only have Herrera, Pogba and Fellaini as players we can rely on. Carrick and Schweini are old and Pereira is still young and we dont know which role he will have at the club yet.
He would compete with Herrera for the spot, and they are both different player types. I dont think he would be someone we need to buy. We could use him, but i dont see a priority signing or someone i would say spend 30m without thinking twice. That said, we still need a box to box player, to rotate/compete with Herrera/Pogba. We are so light in midfield, that we only have Herrera, Pogba and Fellaini as players we can rely on. Carrick and Schweini are old and Pereira is still young and we dont know which role he will have at the club yet.
Just trust Mourinho I guess. Mou has often played a defensive screen and someone to win the ball further up the pitch. Essien was good on the ball but lets be honest he wasn't excellent.
At Chelsea he played a screen and a play maker with a number 10, Matic Fabregas and Oscar. This guy doesn't seem to fit into that kind of system if that is what he wants to do here, with Pogba Griezman and a Matic type
At Chelsea he played a screen and a play maker with a number 10, Matic Fabregas and Oscar. This guy doesn't seem to fit into that kind of system if that is what he wants to do here, with Pogba Griezman and a Matic type
Or Nicholas Cage?
Sean Connery is the only one ever to escape the Rock!
That's far from the truth. We've been analyzing his game, performances and been naming him as a potential Carrick replacement for a better part of the past 6 months.
True, he was linked last year as a right back and his move to midfield has been successful !
He seems outright average to me.
Yeah, a lot of people seem to think that. I'm also one of them.
Those 2 games are probably not enough to go by but I'm not too sure he's what we need.
If that happens then one of our CAM players will have to be moved (Mkhi, Mata, Pereira).
No worries, Jose will rotate at some point like he's doing recently. Perhaps the only ones who could move on are Schweini, Fellaini, maybe even Rooney and sadly Carrick (I hope he'll survive somehow). There should be enough squad space for everyone who can keep up with a much needed tempo and quality throughout the campaign.
Glad more and more people mentioning Pereira. Januzaj and Lingard had plenty of chances given while this lad had almost zero.
My main thing is: Bakayoko & Fabinho partnership is working quite well in Champions League. Bringing them both would probably help and let them continue to develop as a unit but it's just a speculation at this point anyway.
I have watched Monaco for 3 times only but everytime i watched them, this guy never get into my attention at all. He might have a good potential but what we need right now is top class players and I don't think this guy is considered to be one of them. We already have enough young players in the team (Mensah, Martial, Pogba, Pereira, Bailly, Shaw, Rashford).
I prefer kessie than him, Kessie was a chelsea target too.
I don't think he is what we need, and i'm honestly a bit concerned that Mourinho will opt to use a 4-2-3-1 next season with Pogba and a new defensive midfielder.
We need a player like Weigl/Paredes to complement our current players, preferably in a 4-3-3.
Bakayoko would be a good signing for Chelsea as a partner to Kante.
We need a player like Weigl/Paredes to complement our current players, preferably in a 4-3-3.
Bakayoko would be a good signing for Chelsea as a partner to Kante.
From what I've seen of Monaco this season (4/5 CL games, 3/4 Ligue 1 games) Fabinho is much more suitable to our needs at the minute. Hopefully that's who we are after, but trust Mourinho with whoever we buy for our midfield.
Fellaini has his uses. Bakayoko is basically the refined, technically superior version of Fellaini. Would not mind him as a Fellaini replacement, but I still think we need a Carrick replacement and Fabinho would be perfect for that.
Tbh, we should just sign half their team. Their LB is also very, very decent. Mbappe upfront is going to be one of the best in the world as well in a few year.s
Tbh, we should just sign half their team. Their LB is also very, very decent. Mbappe upfront is going to be one of the best in the world as well in a few year.s
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