Reads "Tall, skilfull, runs for days", watches player (admittedly in a handful of CL games only), finds him slow, lazy and clumsy.
We shall see again next week when there's no excuse of injury and it's at home turf.
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Reads "Tall, skilfull, runs for days", watches player (admittedly in a handful of CL games only), finds him slow, lazy and clumsy.
We shall see again next week when there's no excuse of injury and it's at home turf.
Don't really see that tbh
Linked to us again.
Monaco want 60 million euros for him as per links, so that we can call bullshit.
Kessie is available at 34 million euros, and is close to and maybe even better than bakayoko.
Monaco want 60 million euros for him as per links, so that we can call bullshit.
Kessie is available at 34 million euros, and is close to and maybe even better than bakayoko.
He should be on his last year in his current contract come summer(?). 60 mil while he's pretty much not much established while has low commercial value is kinda overpriced.
Contract until 2019 so if they want him to sell him at exhorbiant fee this is their summer.
It's always silly to base conclusions upon one game only but really he didn't look much more than a Fellaini replacement in the City match.
I've seen him plenty of times this season, Monaco's games are on BT sport most weekends, he's nothing special, if he wasn't so big I doubt there'd be much hype. At best he'd be cover for Ander and there are better options out there for that role as well.
He has been very good this season but I'm completely unable to gauge his potential.
He had a problem with his knee.
Its understandable. You can't really see the whole picture from just a few games but he's come leaps and bounds in that Monaco team. Makalele really pushed him in the right direction. I've only watched him in a few games myself but i've talked to a few Monaco fans after reading of United's rumored interest and they seem to rate him very highly. His journey is just beginning. He's undoubtedly Monaco's midfield general at the moment and many of their diehards will attest to this. Time will tell but IMO he could be a real force in the near future and its no wonder big teams are looking at him. I can make a comparison with Yaya Toure who started to become very influential at the same club (Monaco) around the age of 23 after a difficult start after joining from Olympiakos. I think he's a similar type of player who can grow into a box-to-box role. He has the tools in his locker for it
I've watched a few Monaco games myself on Bien sports in the US (admittedly about 4 games) and he's stuck out to me as one of their key players. He in particular impressed me when they beat Marseilles in November. He's a very forward thinking player in terms of his distribution and is very strong in the tackle. Lets not forget he's really just coming into himself. Not a flashy player but one that is growing in stature at a very fast rate. I'd take him at United. He seems to tick all the boxes for what Mourinho wants in a holding mid.
First off, I'm not sure any one of us know which boxes Mou wants his next midfield signing to tick. But, these above statements contradict each other.
Yaya Toure at Olympiacos was playing almost as a #10, definitely on the attacking side of the midfield. From the games I've seen of Bakayoko for Monaco, he certainly likes to take the carry ball forward a lot, in a style that is reminiscent of Yaya. But I'm not sure how these qualities reconcile with a holding DM. At the same age, Fabinho looks far more positionally aware than Bakayoko and dare I say, more elegant on the ball.
I'm aware of that, that's why I said next week that won't be an excuse. I've seen him in the group stages too though, and he always struck as me as the lowest skill player in the Monaco midfield. Fabinho, Silva & Lemar always looked better for me. He was described as a "Black Fellaini" in one of the match threads and (racial undertones aside) it seemed a fitting description. I'm eagerly awaiting next week's game for another opportunity to see what he's got.
Well obviously they are better, the others are genuine top talents.Not rating him or not giving him credits because his teammates are more talented is idiotic that's not how you judge a player.
Not sure how that's idiotic
We need a DM and there's a DM in that team that looks better than Bakayoko in every way, so it's entirely understandable that I'd be underwhelmed by him.
On top of that, I personally always have an extra concern about signing the weakest player in a defense/midfield/attack, especially when it's coming from a less competitive league. Because it's entirely possible that his teammates make him look better than he is. His individual qualities look very unimpressive from what I've seen.
Not sure how that's idiotic
We need a DM and there's a DM in that team that looks better than Bakayoko in every way, so it's entirely understandable that I'd be underwhelmed by him.
On top of that, I personally always have an extra concern about signing the weakest player in a defense/midfield/attack, especially when it's coming from a less competitive league. Because it's entirely possible that his teammates make him look better than he is. His individual qualities look very unimpressive from what I've seen.
Bakayoko isn't a DM, he has never been.
I see what you're saying and there is always room for growth.
Well, I know that. But that is the only context in which we are looking for a midfielder (this is the Man Utd transfer forum after all). We have Pogba and Herrera as CMs with Fellaini as backup and Pereira on loan, we are well stocked there with superior quality.
Also, there is a person two posts up who thinks he would make a good holding mid. I even bolded the text. So some of what I type is in context to the general conversation going on.
Anyhow, let's not bang on about it too much. We might just have differing views on the player, which is normal.
It's not about differing views, I immediately said that Bakayoko weakness was on the defensive side, Fabinho is the one holding when needed not Bakayoko because the latter doesn't have a good discipline. Bakayoko is good at going forward and linking the defense and the attack, he has been very good in that role and he isn't Monaco's best player.
If you tell me that he doesn't have the right profile, I will agree with you because that's what I said from the beginning but when you dismiss the qualities of a player because some of his teammates are better or when you judge a player on a role that he doesn't play, I will disagree with you because it makes no sense.
More Sissoko than Yaya Toure
Momo Sissoko?
If we're after a box to box midfielder in the summer then I hope we go for Naby Keita.
Bakayoko looks very talented though.
Bakayoko looks very talented though.
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I've seen him play around a dozen times or more I'd say, between Ligue 1 and the CL, he's powerful and can drive forward but his passing isn't up too much and he's very naive positionally, Fabinho is the actual holding midfielder in the Monaco side, Bakayoko runs around more but we don't lack that in this side.
I don't think he stands out at anything in particular, he's quick and mobile for his size but not mobile enough defensively and not really a big attacking threat, he's sort of a Jack of all trades master of none.
We only have Herrera tbf and its already thought he's being burned out. TFM is not being given chances and Fellaini, Carrick and Schweinsteiger could all be out this summer. We need fresh legs and preferably a player around Bakayoko's age. Im not saying he's a must buy, but United need to sign someone suitable for midfield
We can't buy everything we need in the one summer though IMO, we need a leader at CB, we need a proper holding midfielder and we need to add goals to the forward 3, after that we could us cover at fullback and as you say cover in the box to box position, but in the latter we could give TFM the chance rather than buy a player.
I think our midfield right now should be the area of highest concern. We're really bare in that department now. Our attack is fine, sure we could do with another signing considering Ibra won't be here forever but if he commits to staying another season I don't think it will be imperative to sign another forward. I want Griezmann at United but we can survive one more season with what we have. Now in midfield all we have basically is Pogba and Herrera. Carrick is on a season by season basis at turns 36 this year. We should be really looking to replace him sharpish and we both know Fellaini's time is almost up. We need better. Defense is the least of our concerns IMO. We're not going to buy this leader everyone keeps harping on about. It looks more likely that Mourinho will buy another young CB like Lindelof who won't be quite ready to lead immediately upon signing
We've struggled all season to score goals, there just isn't enough contribution from the forwards outside of Ibra, that is what has cost us the points time and again and resting next season on the back of a 36 yea rold would be a huge error, so I think that is by far the most important position to address. As for defense, all of Jose's teams have had a CB with some nous and leadership to boss the back 4, even against mediocre sides like Saint Etienne, Southampton and Bournemouth we coughed up several chances due to lacking in a commanding CB that marshall's the others. We could use a Fellaini replacement, I can't stand him, but I wouldn't be remotely surprised if he remains as Herrera's deputy next season with maybe TFM filtered into a few cup games.
We've struggled to score goals in part due to the lack of form of our other forwards and the transitional period under a new manager. Martial scored 17 last season so who's to say his goal scoring form won't return? He's capable of much better and the same can be said of Rashford. I happen to think United will have a much better 2017/18 attack wise because Mourinho has a history of dominating in his second seasons in charge. I do agree that we need another forward, but if Rashford and Martial have better seasons we'll make up for the lack of goals.
As for defense we could do with a signing but we've again surpassed expectations at the back just like last season (Jones and Rojo were injured a lot and Blind was expected to really struggle but we conceded the joint least goals). So far we've conceded less goals than all our top six rivals save for Chelsea and Spurs. I still feel we'll be going into the first league game next season with Smalling as our most experienced CB because Mourinho will most likely make another Bailly type signing. Who else have we been linked with at CB who ticks the boxes or the has the qualities you mentioned? Only Pepe really and I doubt that will happen. Who knows. If United really offered Fellaini to that club in China I expect him to be gone but we need more quality in that department whether he stays or not
I think Martial benefitted last season from being an unknown quantity and from our attacking play pretty much running through him, this season it hasn't and he's yet to find his way into scoring form with running off the ball as well as with it, and I don't see him and Rashford starting together 95% of the time, I just feel we need a proven goal threat added to this forward line if we are going to see this team turning draws into wins and chases for 4th place into title challenges.
I have no names for the CB I admit, I am hoping Jose has his eyes on a name that wouldn't be fashionable enough for the media to care about, someone older and grittier than what we have, we get linked with so many players I wouldn't take us not being linked with a player in this mold as a certainity that we aren't looking at one. I hope you're right on Fellaini I am just not convinced as Jose seems to like him.
Isn't TFM a teenager, though?
If so, I don't expect him to be a first teamer for at least 2-3 years. But most likely, he'll be shipped out (unfortunately Jose does not develop youth players - I know people don't want to hear this, but that's just how Jose runs things).
I think some people need to forget this romantic idea that TFM is a young version of a fantastic DM. He is a teenager and cannot be relied upon to play in big games or improve us.
The other issue is that is Bakayoko just not another version of Fellaini?
I am sure that this guy would be good enough to play for a team like Southampton, for example, but I feel that he won't improve MUFC at all.
We need players who can improve us, not make us worse or keep us the same.
I am honestly not sure that player exists or rather is available. At least on the level we require. Fazio is having a good season at Roma and I have already mentioned Acerbi from Sassuolo, but my concerns with those would be that they might not be good enough. Sokratis could be what you are looking for.
Reminds me of Pogba but Pogba when he's not having a good game
Prefer Fabinho
Clearly the better player, Fabinho.
We had that discussion with JPRouve, and I said one of the reasons I don't trust Bakayoko is that he's the least talented player in the Monaco midfield. Lemar, Silva and Fabinho are all better (which he agrees with). I believe when you play with better players around you, you can be "carried" or made to look better than you are if you will.
He has been playing well, admittedly, but like I said I watched 7 Monaco games this season (full 90") and never once I thought "wow, this Bakayoko is GOOD. I'd have him here".He never stood out and a couple of times he looked a weak link. So, I can't pin what his level is yet but I wouldn't drop Herrera for him, nevermind Pogba.
Was good today. Better than at the Etihad. Still think he is not someone we should pair with Pogba, maybe someone that can play instead of Pogba when Pogba needs a rest. Seems to have adopted the same hairstyle now too.
Thought he was the weakest player in that Monaco team bar the CBs.
Before you sign mate, don't read the Pogba thread as a if you don't settle in 8 months...they'll be calling you the black Felliani and re-write every positive thing they wrote before we signed you...
I've actually called him that already
Ouch....it's already started mate.
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