Seems kinda similar to Diaby? Who I thought had great potential if it wasn't for the injuries.
Tiemoue Bakayoko
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France have so many talents, how on Earth did they not win the Euros? Deschamps seems a fool.
I was surprised to see that he's around the same height as Herrera, both around 6ft, with Pogba quite a bit taller than them both. He looks much bigger on the pitch.
Most of the talents aren't/weren't at international yet and Bakayoko isn't going to displace anyone at the moment.
Edit: And the talents are also playing in the same positions.
My thoughts as well. We could have Herrera drop in Carrick's role against weaker teams (which will allow him to get used to the role better without hurting us) and have Bakayoko with his physical presence and ability to carry the ball and to press deep a bit infront. That way Bakayoko's current weakness of being a bit suspect with defensive positioning will not being exposed. Carrick gets to play less and saved for tougher games and we gain another proper mid option in Bakayoko. He can cover for both Pogba and Herrera if needed be as well. One just have to look at how important and congested fixtures will be from end of January till season end to see that we almost desperatly need one more proper option in midfield.
This is surprising indeed. He looks at least 6'3 on the pitch in the clips i've seen
Any idea what would be the asking price ?
It's surprising because it's hardly true. The guy must clearly be around 6'1''.
Wiki says 184 cm. Herrera 182.
Does it even matter? Kante is like 167 cm and is a beast.
I don't know. People were arguing about height so as the perfect gentleman I am I gave them some information to settle things. That's all.
I always believed that Herrera can gradually step in to Carrick's shoes. He has a good football brain and can grow into the sort of a "quarterback" role and have someone else do the B2B role.
Besides, Carrick was not as good as he is now back when he was Herrera's age. With Mou at the helm, I think Herrera will quickly adapt his game.
Not having a clue how to use the midfield effectively may have had something to do with it.
Well, now I'm surprised. I would never see Herrera as that tall. Would figure 174 max.
I apologize.
This is not true. Even back then, Carrick was an excellent midfielder. SAF praised him a lot and encouraged him to move further forward and make more of an impact around the 18 yard box. It's just that, people didn't recognize the role he played for us back then.
Not sure I agree with that. After Scholes retired out midfield became built around Carrick and so he stood out more. That's he big difference I think.
Didnt get the luck. Griezman missed a sitter. Then Portugal got the break through.
Yes, he might have stood out to the public eye more after Scholes retired, but he was playing just as impressively even back then. I don't mean to sidetrack the discussion, but the video below highlights some of the things I am talking about. Carrick's positioning, forward passing and tackling were all just as impressive. The only department where I think he has improved now is probably his positioning, but the rest of his game (Mobility aside) were evident even when he first joined us. SAF couldn't stop gushing about him when no one else noticed what was so great in his game.
I don't think that it's about who had more quality. Carrick never needed to reinvent himself or adjust his game to fit into the role he's playing at the moment. He was always perfectly suited to it. Herrera is very good in his role would have to change his game quite a bit to fit in at DM on a long term basis, and then you have to question if it would even be worthwhile to even attempt to develop him in that way.
SAF wouldn't stop gushing about Evans or Cleverly either, and they were both by and large very poor, yet supported by much better players in Carrick and Rio at the time that made them look better. SAF likes to massively big up players to give them belief. He's made some hilarious comments over the years.
I really don't think Carrick was particularly great (though not bad) apart from in 2007 (when he was great). If Hargreaves didn't become a sick note he would have permanently taken Carrick's place in the first 11 (and that was the reason he was brought in IMO). A lot of rose tinted reminiscing about Carrick lately, but he only became a top player when thrust into the responsibility of carrying an otherwise poor midfield.
Also, Jordan Henderson can look good on a youtube video
When Carrick came he was the more attacking of the two with Scholes sitting back, his form sort of dipped post 07 because his role was adjusted. I think it was adjusted because of Scholes' involvement being managed and the emergence of Fletcher who was a dynamo. In fact I don't think that he lost form but that he played the anchor role differently from the likes of Keane that it took so long for people to appreciate his influence on the game.SAF wouldn't stop gushing about Evans or Cleverly either, and they were both by and large very poor, yet supported by much better players in Carrick and Rio at the time that made them look better. SAF likes to massively big up players to give them belief. He's made some hilarious comments over the years.
I really don't think Carrick was particularly great (though not bad) apart from in 2007 (when he was great). If Hargreaves didn't become a sick note he would have permanently taken Carrick's place in the first 11 (and that was the reason he was brought in IMO). A lot of rose tinted reminiscing about Carrick lately, but he only became a top player when thrust into the responsibility of carrying an otherwise poor midfield.
Also, Jordan Henderson can look good on a youtube video
Not taking anything away from Herrera, he could indeed grow into that role but Carrick just has more natural ability and more of a football brain for that specific task.
I don't think your memory is serving you right but Carrick at 27 was in his prime playing 45 games plus a season and influential in United winning three back to back PL titles, a world club cup title and played in his second consecutive champions league final racking up 144 appearances in the process. He's maintained very good levels without the expected heavy signs of decline at his age but a 27 year old Carrick was a prime/peak Carrick
SAF wouldn't stop gushing about Evans or Cleverly either, and they were both by and large very poor, yet supported by much better players in Carrick and Rio at the time that made them look better. SAF likes to massively big up players to give them belief. He's made some hilarious comments over the years.
I really don't think Carrick was particularly great (though not bad) apart from in 2007 (when he was great). If Hargreaves didn't become a sick note he would have permanently taken Carrick's place in the first 11 (and that was the reason he was brought in IMO). A lot of rose tinted reminiscing about Carrick lately, but he only became a top player when thrust into the responsibility of carrying an otherwise poor midfield.
Also, Jordan Henderson can look good on a youtube video
Even at West ham and later spurs, he played the same way without necessarily being the focal point of the midfield. In my opinion, Hargreaves was mostly bought to make us more competitive in Europe to play the 4-5-1 system. I don't think Carrick's place would have been in question just because of Hargreave's presence. It's not really rose tinted reminiscing on Carrick, but I was always impressed with him right from the time he joined us and everyone was questioning the price tag, I just brushed it aside knowing fully well he justified the transfer fee and then some.
I know SAF has a tendency to praise players a lot, but Carrick was probably one of the few that fullfilled his expectations. Even Rio, who on numerous occasions has stated how important Carrick is. So too did Scholes.
He plays with carrick and pogba, both 6'2 and fellaini 6'5 so he looks shorter than he is. Plus hes got quite narrow shoulders so he's not really projecting physical presence if you know what I mean. He's only a centimetre or two shorter than Phil Jones who's the opposite and looks bigger than he is.
Plus the fact he is also a little bit on the lightweight side when it comes to being physical-letting Noble carry him off the pitch, ducking out of Bentekes overhead kick at OT a few seasons ago, and his carry-on at the end of the match against Liverpool with the shirt pulling and falling down.
I like Herrera but there are times when I wish he was a bit harder. Great at everything else though.
I remember early on in his united career when we played Swansea jonjo shelvey flattened him a couple of times. He's definitely not a powerhouse. The technical side and his energy are terrific though.
I think the thing you don't realise with carrick is what a big unit he is. Its only when you see him in the tunnel and he's towering over the centre backs that you realise. Big advantage for a holding player.
Even at West ham and later spurs, he played the same way without necessarily being the focal point of the midfield. In my opinion, Hargreaves was mostly bought to make us more competitive in Europe to play the 4-5-1 system. I don't think Carrick's place would have been in question just because of Hargreave's presence. It's not really rose tinted reminiscing on Carrick, but I was always impressed with him right from the time he joined us and everyone was questioning the price tag, I just brushed it aside knowing fully well he justified the transfer fee and then some.
I know SAF has a tendency to praise players a lot, but Carrick was probably one of the few that fullfilled his expectations. Even Rio, who on numerous occasions has stated how important Carrick is. So too did Scholes.
This thread has veered off course a bit, I really think a lot of people have gotten the wrong idea about Bakayoko, if you watch Monaco he plays how Herrera plays for us, he's the hustling CM, he's not a fit with Pogba and Herrera but would be a huge upgrade on Fellaini as cover/competition for Ander.
We need better competition and more likely an upgrade for Herrera. It goes without saying we need better than Fellaini as depth.
If this is Jose's answer to bring Fellaini out of the equation I'm all for it. At this point i'd take Mark fecking Noble.
That's actually not a bad shout. He's already proven himself capable of carrying our midfield.
Shame this window transfer seems to be just talk. We definitely need this type of player or we're stuck with Fellaini just behind Pogba Herrera Carrick in pecking order.
Carrick was a superbly cultured footballer even when he was at West Ham. If anything the English game has changed to suit Carrick rather than him becoming good when he was 30.
We had our best spell ever as a club with him as a starter.
There are endless examples of extremely talented national teams failing to deliver.
Dipped post 07? He was brilliant in 08. It was early-mid 09 when he started that awful run of poor performance.
Exactly this. He's a more physical, less technical Herrera.
This guy looks like an absolute tank. Seems very composed on the ball and drives forward well.
I'm all for improving our CM. comparing our midfield with the other top 6 and we're well under par.
I'm all for improving our CM. comparing our midfield with the other top 6 and we're well under par.
His name is almost reason enough to sign him - brilliant name.
Judging from this video, there is a bit of Pogba in him since he likes to beat his men and try to do everything by himself so I'm worry with his discipline and decision making. Do we need him? I don't think we do, we should go for a better player if we want to challenge the league by upgrading Herrera. If he's just going to be our backup, better be a good price. We already have a similar player like him in our squad. Pogba!! He's even way more complete than Bakayoko.
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