Would much rather Fabinho from them anyway. Bakayoko isn't quite what we need I think. A Carrick type is more what fits behind Pogba/Herrera.
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We wouldn't be fecking over Chelsea, we'd be doing them a favour because they can do a lot better. Fabinho is the better player and a better fit for us too.
Would we rather have him than Matic though? As assume that's end result?
Matic is older age and not for the future but will suit us much better than Bakayoko tbh.
Both won't come anyway and I think we'll move for Fabinho sooner or later.
Different players really. But yes. Just play him next to Pogba and push Herrera to CDM permanently. Same price as well for a player 7 years younger and the ability to improve.
Agreed, Fabinho is the only one we should be going after. I think Bakayoko is far from being a proven player and still has a lot of possibilities of falling by the wayside. He's never convinced me thus far, but he has time on his side. I just would never prioritize him over an option like Fabinho who would fit this team better as well as being more versatile.
That's exactly what's happening. There were reports a couple of weeks ago this was a done deal. He's not what we need even though I think he's a decent player.I bet Chelsea are leaking a fake bid so they can pretend to beat us to him
If you buy him, I think he is midfield cover and that 4-2-3-1 will be the dominant formation. He doesn't really fit in a three man midfield - not dangerous or talented enough in attack to be one of the 8s (especially for a side struggling a bit for goals already), not positionally disciplined enough to be a lone DM at the base of a triangle.
@Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber and @JPRouve are both correct.
The difference is that the Chief considers the term 'defensive midfielder' with more emphasis on the function of the player rather than positioning (as in, Bakayoko is a player that doesn't hold, but still defends while being active all over the pitch, he chases after opponents and tackles and harries them, very similar to Khedira as JP mentioned).
JP considers DM to mean a midfielder with more emphasis on the positioning, as in such a player for the most part will stay back and anchor the midfield while others push forward more. I.e., the positioning is defensive, but not necessarily the function, meaning that it is possible JP considers the likes of Carrick, Pirlo and Alonso as DMs, whereas the Chief might not. Those 3 mentioned are relevant because they are known for their passing and not their tackling.
I think you're both saying more or less the same thing but are being a bit steadfast in the terminology. Correct me if I'm wrong with my assumptions.
The difference is that the Chief considers the term 'defensive midfielder' with more emphasis on the function of the player rather than positioning (as in, Bakayoko is a player that doesn't hold, but still defends while being active all over the pitch, he chases after opponents and tackles and harries them, very similar to Khedira as JP mentioned).
JP considers DM to mean a midfielder with more emphasis on the positioning, as in such a player for the most part will stay back and anchor the midfield while others push forward more. I.e., the positioning is defensive, but not necessarily the function, meaning that it is possible JP considers the likes of Carrick, Pirlo and Alonso as DMs, whereas the Chief might not. Those 3 mentioned are relevant because they are known for their passing and not their tackling.
I think you're both saying more or less the same thing but are being a bit steadfast in the terminology. Correct me if I'm wrong with my assumptions.
So Matt Barlow, who, from a quick search I can see covers almost exclusively Chelsea stories (with a bit of Spurs/Arsenal), has the inside track on Manchester United's £40m bid for Bakayoko. How could he know this, what could possibly be going on?
Oh yes, now I see.
Pathetic if it's Chelsea leaking this. So small time.
It could be Chelsea, it also could just be some reporters/tweeters creating a narrative after the Lukaku deal so that either it seems like United is stealing from Chelsea again or if he signs for Chelsea that they have gotten their revenge by beating United for his services. Click bait specials either way.
Published an hour ago.
I bet Chelsea are leaking a fake bid so they can pretend to beat us to him
I reckon it's this. Bakayoko will sign and put out some statement about other teams wanting him but him only wanting Chelsea blah, blah, blah.
@Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber and @JPRouve are both correct.
The difference is that the Chief considers the term 'defensive midfielder' with more emphasis on the function of the player rather than positioning (as in, Bakayoko is a player that doesn't hold, but still defends while being active all over the pitch, he chases after opponents and tackles and harries them, very similar to Khedira as JP mentioned).
JP considers DM to mean a midfielder with more emphasis on the positioning, as in such a player for the most part will stay back and anchor the midfield while others push forward more. I.e., the positioning is defensive, but not necessarily the function, meaning that it is possible JP considers the likes of Carrick, Pirlo and Alonso as DMs, whereas the Chief might not. Those 3 mentioned are relevant because they are known for their passing and not their tackling.
I think you're both saying more or less the same thing but are being a bit steadfast in the terminology. Correct me if I'm wrong with my assumptions.
No you mixed us around, I consider that a player who has for main mission an on-the-ball mission like it's the case for Bakayoko isn't a defensive midfielder because the emphasis isn't on defending. The same way Carrick, Pirlo or Xabi aren't DMs but playmakers.
This.
Okay, so basically the issue is that you believe Bakayoko does more attacking-wise than a Kanté, while the Chief thinks otherwise.
Anyway, I wouldn't be worried if he signed for Chelsea.
Interesting as i was watching SkySports news an hour ago and they were reporting an imminent medical.
I smell this being a bs story!
In 2 hours!
Its clearly a PR exercise.
Surely clubs aren't this petty to leak a United rumour and later say he rejected them. For all we know Chelsea are actually run by some very professional people behind the scenes. This isn't Real who photoshop pictures of fan attendance.
Chelsea are so transparent. I'm glad nobody is actually biting on here.
I hope if Mourinho gets asked about this, he bluntly says it as it is.
I hope if Mourinho gets asked about this, he bluntly says it as it is.
Another London-based hack writing almost exclusively about Chelsea who suddenly has inside knowledge of Manchester United's transfer plans.
This is all rather laughable. We get it, missing out on Lukaku was embarrassing, but this is hardly the way to go about things.
Chelsea won't sell Matic to United
Spurs won't sell Dier to United
Dortmund won't sell Weigl to United and he's injured until September
Monaco just sold Fabinho to Athletico Madrid
So by process of elimination, we hijack Chelsea target, Bakayoko...
Would he even fit with Pogba and Herrera?
What other options do we have?
Spurs won't sell Dier to United
Dortmund won't sell Weigl to United and he's injured until September
Monaco just sold Fabinho to Athletico Madrid
So by process of elimination, we hijack Chelsea target, Bakayoko...
Would he even fit with Pogba and Herrera?
What other options do we have?
Agreed. 100% convinced that is what they're doing.
Deal is done - they're briefing through Matt Law we're in for him - then they 'outmuscle' us and tie up what is already a done deal.
Don't know enough about the player to comment on if we should be in for him or not, but convinced he's Chelsea bound.
Him shipping goals in the CL has put me off. Chelsea can have him.
Don't fancy him
Chelsea leaked info? Or is Monaco doing this to pressure Chelsea?
Alright, but you can say that about any other player we would buy now for midfield. Even the #6 position might depend more on the game than anything else, although Fabinho and Matić would probably feature more as #6 in 4-3-3.
Good points.
Not yet, apparently. Atlético's saying they're not even negotiating.
You are largely spot on. I'd actually consider the Carrick's DMs. For me they come in 4 types: destroyers, holding midfielders, deep lying play makers and proactive ball winners. The first type are purely destructive 'water carrier' I.e (Gavin McCann, Zouma), the second type are about positioning, good ball retention but mostly defensive in out look and are protectors (i.e Costinha, Casemiro, Mascherano), the third type are a deep lying offensive weapon, who dictate play from deep and protect by interception and positioning (I.e Carrick, Xabi Alonso), while the last group rampage around putting out fires as they start, and are also often good offensively (i.e Gatusso Vidal, Kante, Bakayoko)@Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber and @JPRouve are both correct.
The difference is that the Chief considers the term 'defensive midfielder' with more emphasis on the function of the player rather than positioning (as in, Bakayoko is a player that doesn't hold, but still defends while being active all over the pitch, he chases after opponents and tackles and harries them, very similar to Khedira as JP mentioned).
JP considers DM to mean a midfielder with more emphasis on the positioning, as in such a player for the most part will stay back and anchor the midfield while others push forward more. I.e., the positioning is defensive, but not necessarily the function, meaning that it is possible JP considers the likes of Carrick, Pirlo and Alonso as DMs, whereas the Chief might not. Those 3 mentioned are relevant because they are known for their passing and not their tackling.
I think you're both saying more or less the same thing but are being a bit steadfast in the terminology. Correct me if I'm wrong with my assumptions.
Or Ed has actually put a bid in to force Chelsea's hand on Matic.
But most if not all info comes from jounalists based in England, to be precise London; not the mre reputable that often being briefed with big news from us.
Would it be too paranoid of me to think that some bitter members of the media are trying to make it sound like Bakayoko snubbed us in order to push the narrative that Chelsea have gotten one back on us after the Lukaku hijack?
Anyway, from what I've seen of him I can't say I was very impressed and I don't think he's the type of player we need. None of the central midfielders we're linked with really excite me but this one would've been no different.
Anyway, from what I've seen of him I can't say I was very impressed and I don't think he's the type of player we need. None of the central midfielders we're linked with really excite me but this one would've been no different.
A DM is a position in midfield and is one of the many midfield positions just like AM and CM.
A holding midfielder, box2box, DLP, etc are examples of roles that could be played in midfield.
Bakayoko I would describe as a box2box CM. Due to positioning, it is almost impossible to be a box2box DM, but De Rossi would come close.
What we currently need is a holding DM who stays back and allows Pogba to push forward with confidence.
Bakayoko is not good enough as a holding DM.
A holding midfielder, box2box, DLP, etc are examples of roles that could be played in midfield.
Bakayoko I would describe as a box2box CM. Due to positioning, it is almost impossible to be a box2box DM, but De Rossi would come close.
What we currently need is a holding DM who stays back and allows Pogba to push forward with confidence.
Bakayoko is not good enough as a holding DM.
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Oliver Kay in Times now saying that we've expressed willing to go for him at 40m which is more than what Chelsea offered and are looking to hijack this deal.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/...ayoko-after-unveiling-romelu-lukaku-dqdj2t22w
Not counting the fact that it'd be absolute hilarious if we sign him, but I genuinely don't want him here. Don't think he's good enough(based on what I saw in CL).
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/...ayoko-after-unveiling-romelu-lukaku-dqdj2t22w
Not counting the fact that it'd be absolute hilarious if we sign him, but I genuinely don't want him here. Don't think he's good enough(based on what I saw in CL).
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