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Thoughts on Tuchel as a potential United manager?
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Yeah that was it
I really don't want Poch, but I would take Poch over De Zerbi, for sure.
So you don't think there is potential for development in De Zerbi whatsoever then?
Both clubs reached (by far) their highest ever points total. That includes Stuttgart who have won the league before (last time 2007). So yes, it can safely be argued that both had a freak season. And considering how disinterested a lot of Bayern players seemed to be once it was clear that they wouldn't win the league I am pretty sure that they could have gotten quite a few points more if Leverkusen hadn't pulled so far away.
Did my best, mate!
He's got a long way to go. Don't think his Brighton stint was that convincing. Openly criticizing Bloom at a well run club is just a weird move.
Tuchel is a better manager than Eth but he's not someone I view as the club being able to build a project around (neither do I think with Erik).
Rather someone along the lines of Mckenna / Amorim who could build the clubs success overtime and put simplistic guidelines in place for the team to perform.
De Zerbi goes a long-way towards this but has come across one dimensional in certain situations when he could have made an adjustment for the better of a result something we have all been too familiar with this season under Erik.
Rather someone along the lines of Mckenna / Amorim who could build the clubs success overtime and put simplistic guidelines in place for the team to perform.
De Zerbi goes a long-way towards this but has come across one dimensional in certain situations when he could have made an adjustment for the better of a result something we have all been too familiar with this season under Erik.
I think he failed to do it at Brighton, which is much smaller club. The full weight of United will simply crush him, even if we were crazy enough to gamble on him
He had to replace Musiala as well and Coman was injured anyway.
Kane, Gnabry, Sané, Coman and Musiala all out.
The only issue I have with his substitutions why did he bring Choupo Moting while a fully fit Goretzka was sitting on the bench.
I actually feel we currently have the right manager. I don’t want to see any of these names at OT for anything other than to watch a match.
I’m not particularly a De Zerbi fan, but I saw his comments, and I feel they were semi-justified. They are well run, no doubt, but selling players like Caiceido and pocketing the cash shows the board doesn’t have aspirations of CL, league titles, etc. De Zerbi wants to win, and while the consistent mid table finishes are great for a small club, where is the impetus to bring in more club investment to take the next step?
We don't know how he was brought to the club in the first place. He may have been led on that they were more ambitious than they actually are. Yes, they're well run, but they could also push the envelope a bit. They've made a ton of money and they can't get him a couple of senior players to improve the squad?
I'm not keen on any of the options linked, but I'd be least displeased with him tbh. At least he plays very progressive football. I don't think he will magically alter the tactical limitations of half the squad though. If Ratcliffe and co get rid of ETH then RDZ seems to me the only candidate linked that would still require major squad changes.
I would rather keep ETH than get Tuchel. McKenna was exciting but it’s the best outcome to let him mature for another year and evaluate. Maybe we can send him some players now on loan. Hopefully the level above the manager can put a super fit and hungry squad together for whoever is in charge.
They can only loan one player from another premier league club, two in total but from separate clubs. Let's see who we can't sell at the end of the window. I'm hoping we'll give our youngsters chances while trimming the squad.
I think we need to be clear that the problem in United was
- the first thing comes to mind when hiring new manager (fans and board alike) is we would like him to be like SAF, stays for years, decides on everything.
- no structure (not good enough) and decisions were slowely taken
- players recruitment were very poor.
We should not worry about sacking managers or they last shorter because we have to make manager more of like a leader of the players rather than the CEO of the football department. Go recruit best and correct profile of players. Best players and the ones that have better adaptablities to various strategy should be of what we need. You look at other big and successful clubs then realize thier players are more than capable of playing variety of strategy and style and we still trying to make our club playing one certain style (or we juat wanna copy city)?
- the first thing comes to mind when hiring new manager (fans and board alike) is we would like him to be like SAF, stays for years, decides on everything.
- no structure (not good enough) and decisions were slowely taken
- players recruitment were very poor.
We should not worry about sacking managers or they last shorter because we have to make manager more of like a leader of the players rather than the CEO of the football department. Go recruit best and correct profile of players. Best players and the ones that have better adaptablities to various strategy should be of what we need. You look at other big and successful clubs then realize thier players are more than capable of playing variety of strategy and style and we still trying to make our club playing one certain style (or we juat wanna copy city)?
You don't say that shit in public. They had one window, a January one. It's not the time to panic spend.
Well once he's confirmed as not in the running anymore then may as well get behind Erik. Personally would see Pochettino/De Zerbi on the same level as Erik so no point in changing
Probably one of the worst options available.
We will be back here 2 years with a ageing squad saying "rebuild" will take 2 years.
This would be a Jose style appointment, a manager who has history of being at clubs for 2 years. Sacked everywhere he goes and doesn't implement a style.
We will be back here 2 years with a ageing squad saying "rebuild" will take 2 years.
This would be a Jose style appointment, a manager who has history of being at clubs for 2 years. Sacked everywhere he goes and doesn't implement a style.
Why am I still seeing posts like this? Tuchel won't be in charge of transfers? He's also not Mourinho obsessed with older players?
Tuchel wouldn't be in charge of the rebuild, it would be those above him.
Okay but how can you say that when the ones above him aren't even in place.
The new manager coming in will want to know who their transfer targets are, who from the current squad will go /remain.
How can we answer that when we dont have the right people above?
So we hire Tuchel, then wait till 13th July for Barrada and hope Ashworths joins sometime after that... in the meanwhile we wing it?
You say Tuchel will not be in charge of transfers, based on what ? What information?
Because like he said to me in a post yesterday he has never liked the guy so will always look for reasons why he's unsuitable for the Utd job
I like Tuchel actually, I find him to be very straight and sometimes funny in press conferences.
I just dont rate him as a manager. Get it right.
Tuchel took over serial winners at Bayern
I) Won the title by accident in his first season
II) Added Kane, KMJ to the squad in his full season and finished 3rd
I am not saying he will definitely fail at united but it is highly likely since we're in transition and not a finished product like Bayern
I) Won the title by accident in his first season
II) Added Kane, KMJ to the squad in his full season and finished 3rd
I am not saying he will definitely fail at united but it is highly likely since we're in transition and not a finished product like Bayern
You do if you want to go to a club that has a chance of winning the league and playing in the CL
Do you want to win?
winning and rebuilding simultaneously is possible. Just ask Real Madrid.
I do want to win.. but Tuchel has not shown he can compete for a league title where he is not taking over the best team.
No, you don't. It was silly, you can't make impulse moves in a winter window. If you're there for a project stick to the project and don't openly throw your toys out the pram because the owner doesn't want to be bent over in January.
To be fair, Poch had Kane at Spurs as the leading scorer and finished 5th, 3rd, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 6th. And never got a trophy. So 3rd is about right for Tuchel.
I think given the choices he's the best one...but...if he's the best option I personally would just keep ETH for another go. The players seem to play hard for him at least.
Fair. Poch is decent but had a similar season to us (except for the last 5 games) with no trophies, feels like a downgrade from ETH if we got pochTo be fair, Poch had Kane at Spurs as the leading scorer and finished 5th, 3rd, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 6th. And never got a trophy. So 3rd is about right for Tuchel.
I still think it will be him.
They are the most profitable club in the Prem.
They are routinely buying in markets not affected by the winter window.
You’re not a manager and neither am I. His squad has been ravaged over the last few transfer windows. You can bitch about him being an ungrateful sod. That’s your choice. I choose not to…
Mainz… no chance.
Dortmund… difficult.
PSG… easy.
Chelsea… difficult.
He did a pretty decent job with taking a Chelsea side without a ton of talent to 3rd and the CL title.
Look, everyone wants to find the next SAF, Ancelotti, or Pep. But bringing in a competent manager that allows you to finish top 4 every year, guarantee that extra CL money (60-80m) for squad building — particularly more speculative buys of younger players in South America and less scouted regions — is actually smarter than finishing 8th three years in a row while you go dumpster diving for squad building needs.
Just my opinion.
There’s nothing about Tuchel to suggest that he would be an upgrade on ETH. He might be, but he might not be either. Given the choice, I’d stick it out with ETH but if you’re ETH you’re going to demand a contract extension rather than accept being forced to run down your contract while INEOS decide to sack you at their whim, a factor that goes unnoticed here.
Every club is affected by the winter window, and I'm not bitching. He is the one bitching. Openly in press conferences in a winter fecking window the second things got difficult at Brighton
this after he got two targets in the summer that were his choices, not cheap, and flopped.I’m not a huge fan of De Zerbi, but this seems overly harsh. Brighton sold their midfield last summer, it’s always going to be difficult to keep the same level of performance after that. He was likely bitching due to his ambitions and Brightons being misaligned, hence him leaving to try and get a job elsewhere.Every club is affected by the winter window, and I'm not bitching. He is the one bitching. Openly in press conferences in a winter fecking window the second things got difficult at Brighton
It's not harsh, making winter moves are impulsive unless the stats align in availability of targets.
He would struggle to find a better run club than Brighton, and he would have also known European pushes were on certain caveats within the club. To openly whinge at the first opportunity just made him look daft, especially after his own transfers that he pushed have failed.
He would struggle to find a worse club if his ambitions are progression in the league, though. It’s almost impossible to improve the team consistently at Brighton. I’m not that aware of their targets, but which did he push that failed? If he was able to get the players he wanted that would suggest they aren’t that well run, as I’m sure you’d agree.
Simply wrong.
Look at how Chelsea played under Lampard and then look how they played when Tuchel took over.
He's a good cup manager, good tactician and can adapt in regards to the opposition.
When it comes to managing United and being consistent in the league and managing the squad I'm not sure he's better than EtH which makes the switch kinda pointless.
When it comes to managing United and being consistent in the league and managing the squad I'm not sure he's better than EtH which makes the switch kinda pointless.
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