It's not a like for like transfer. Cesc would be a nailed on starter, Cleverley would be first assistant to the drinks boy.
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It's not a like for like transfer. Cesc would be a nailed on starter, Cleverley would be first assistant to the drinks boy.
Belgium also prefer to play Nacer fecking Chadli over Janzuaj, Mertens and Mirallas. Spain prefer to play Casillas and Reina ahead of De Gea.
None of that changes the fact that he is an injury and error prone defender who hasn't been good for 3 years.
I didn't say it changed anything.
Well, you were making a case for him by giving those examples.
I was saying it was irrelevant what he did or did not do for Belgium and that should not be a basis to judge his qualities.
Fair enough.
None in defence. You might want Chadli's physique over Januzaj's skill, its crazy but its a real thing a manager might want.
However at CB you play whoever keeps your goal safer and thats the end of the job description. Its why Smalling was our best CB last season. Kompany, Van Buyten and Verthongen are trusted to do that instead of him despite him being a core part of their defence in the past. Belgium know what Vermaelen can do, thats exactly why he isn't picked.
He's not in the side because he's had a poor/injury prone season at Arsenal. Maybe we should swap De Gea with Casillas if Internationals is all you are going by. Vermaelen also started 7 of their 10 qualifying games.
Spain are about to do that even though Casillas is their captain
Vermaelen still isnt starting for Belgium
Spain are about to do that even though Casillas is their captain
Vermaelen still isnt starting for Belgium
Are they? We'll see.
Because he hasn't had a good season at Arsenal and not played regularly. Not because he isn't good enough because for the qualifying rounds he clearly was.
Didnt hear that about a transfer request.
Actually I think he's very good with the ball.
Qualifying and playing in the main tournament are two different things. Belgium are clearly against superior opposition.
Januzaj doesnt play because he's a kid who hasnt shown what he can do internationally yet. De Gea is in a similar position because he hasnt been given the chance yet, but it could be happening right now.
Vermaelen has shown what he can do for many seasons and was then dropped. Its the opposite side of the spectrum
I would say about 15-20 mil.
If Soton would ask 25-30 that would be really too much for him.
Nonsense. He played in qualifying because at that point he was still deemed to be part of their best back 4. He no longer has that status probably due to his Arsenal form and lack of games.
Not necessarily, at least, not just explicitly. Having a skilled CB will help transitioning from defensive phase to an attacking phase, specially in LVG's system that emphasizes ball retention and rewards players comfortable with the ball.
Plus there is a chance that we will play with five in the back. In that case, we could have 3 CB's and a ball carrier like Vermaelen would like as Busquets in Barca's system when Busquets drops back where you'd usually find a CB.
This doesn't help the argument with the national team. Despite having some ability on the ball which as you say can see you being given the nod, he's still left out.
Evans is just as good if not better at bringing the ball out of the back so we're clearly not lacking for someone to put in purely for ability on the ball.
Ye, true. I think if we add Shaw, seven would be suffice, though. We'd have four centre backs, two left backs (3 if you add Vermaelen) and one right back by trait, but 2 players in Jones and Valencia who'd be able to cover for him.
If Cleverley goes Arsenal, although I don't want him to go, I think Arsene would convert him into a defensive midfielder - similar to how they use Arteta now. Great energy, keeps things ticking over, when confident, he always wants the ball, can get stuck in. Think he can be turned into a Scott Parker type of player, and that's where I would use him for United. His best games in a United shirt come when he played in the deeper role next to Anderson, who give us the drive from midfield, while Cleverley kept the ball ticking over.
Great, another season of players "doing a job" at RB in place of the forever injured Rafael.
Jones is great at right back. If we get two players for each position, there's going to be players in the list I mentioned getting left out weekly.
To be fair to Rafael, he hardly missed a single match two seasons ago and contributed to us winning the title. So it's not like he's never proven that he can stay fit for long periods.
Erm, no. Zabaleta is great at right back, Lahm is great at right back, Jones is OK, just a centre half trying to play right back.
He was dropped because he wasn't playing regularly for Arsenal. It's that simple. Happens all the time. International managers don't like fielding players who haven't been getting regular games for their club. Which makes sense.
This shouldn't be used as some sort of indicator of exactly what he does and doesn't bring to the Belgium team.
Put it this way, he's good enough to cover for Rafael if he were to get injured during the season, in my opinion. He's arguably put in better performances at right back than centre back, especially when he played there against Bayern, marking Ribery out of the game.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...Arsenal-Manchester-United-World-Cup-2014.html
Another article.
Interesting thing for nerds like me is that all the reporting on this is done by reporters covering Arsenal(Mokbel, Cross etc) whilst the reporters covering United(Ducker, Ladyman) have said nothing on this so far.
Another article.
Interesting thing for nerds like me is that all the reporting on this is done by reporters covering Arsenal(Mokbel, Cross etc) whilst the reporters covering United(Ducker, Ladyman) have said nothing on this so far.
He'll do a job covering for Rafael, granted. Give him a specific job to do and he'll do it. That's provided he doesn't get stretchered off himself mind you, which is also a common occurrence. The bulk of our defenders are made of glass.
I think Ogden said we were pursuing Vermaelen in a recent article. It was more of a one liner though I think.
Surprising that there's more info leaking from Arsenal's side than us.. Either Arsenal are trying really hard to get him sold, and using us to try and drum up some interest in him or that we are really interested, and Woody's managed to keep things quiet on our side with the press!
I don't know that. But all of the major news that Vermealen has agreed in principle to join us and other stuff has been from Arsenal based reporters.
True, but knowing us we'll get a centre back, left back and right back next season and our players already at the club will have injured free seasons.
I personally feel 7 players is enough to cover for four positions, especially as most of them players can 'do a job' in other positions across the back four.
we had 5 CB's last season and still needed Carrick there. We lost 2 CB's this summer so signing at least 1 + M.Keane is a must and I rather see a world class CB signed or in addition. Vermaelen is defo not the answer to Vidic
It really bothers me when articles claim something and back it up with nothing whatsoever.
McDonnell, Ogden, and Ducker have mentioned it briefly in their articles - literally one line.
Back it up with what? And don't say quotes.
I suspect that Woodward has shut his gob in regard to transfers, which I like.
Can somebody please post that Vermaelen article from the Mail that's on the Twitter feed? Just I can't access it.
Anything other than nothing. They're just speculating.
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