The first two you might have an argument for but I can't see how Silva or Sanchez are better than Muller. He is sheer class and never seems to have a bad game.
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Muller can play as a wide-right forward, yeah? As well as up front? In that case a swap for Di Maria would make a lot of sense.
Yes... Whilst he may not be as explosive or have such stylish technique as the others mentioned his use of space and his will to win make him one of the most effective players I have ever seen
Aguero is probably on pair with him. The other three aren't.
Muller has been one of the best players in the world for a few years now. And is the ultimate big match player (something that Kun isn't).
I want Muller > Kane > Cavani > Benzema
in that order of preferance
in that order of preferance
Muller > Benzema > Kane > Cavani
I'd go with this.
Benzema seems to not be met with the esteem he should be. It's almost as if people forget he does a lot of the fannyflapping to let Ronaldo score the goals.
He's brilliant, no doubt. But saying he's one of the best players in the word is a bit of stretch for me. Your point about consistency and big matches is spot on. But I think you underrate Hazard. Agüero needs to be less injured, but at his best, he's better than him. Silva has been consistently brilliant for City, I think the comparison is more than fair. Sanchez might be the odd one here, but I think he's been better than Müller domestically last season.
I think that Muller has been Bayern's best player in the last 5 years. Obviously not the best in all seasons, but if you have to choose the Bayern's best player in the last 5 years, I can't see someone else who was better than him. Probbaly would be good to see Bayern's/Germany's fans opinions for that @Balu @anchan1989 @Blackwidow
When it comes to Germany, it is probably even more clean. Muller has been their best and most consistent player. Ok, I might be biased, but there is no way that he hasn't been in top 3 (with Neuer and Lahm).
So basically, he has been the best player (or near it) of a club who has been in top 2 for the last 5 years, and a state who has been in top 2 in the last 5 years.
Another thing, is that Muller has been fantastic when it comes to highest level, UCL and World Cup. He has scored 164 goals (despite not being a No.9) and having played 402 games by the age of 25. 10 goals in World Cup, 28 goals in European competition (including goals against top European teams).
Sorry but Hazard is not even close. He has to do it on the big stage before he can be compared to Muller. A fully fit Aguero might be on that level but:
1) a fully fit Aguero doesn't exist
2) Aguero is usually crap against top European teams and for Argentina
Sanchez isn't in this category. If he was, he would have still being playing for Barca. He's a good player obviously, but he's not Muller.
Silva is a great player and probably the most proven from all the players you mentioned, but still I would say that Muller is better.
IMO, if we look at their entire careers it is:
Muller > Silva > Aguero > Hazard > Alexis
Currently:
Muller > Aguero > Silva > Hazard > Alexis
For what is worth, if I would compare Di Maria against them then for entire career I would put him around Hazard/Alexis level.
I agree.
Players like Hazard might be nicer to watch but Müller would perfectly fit into our System.
He is more a LvG type Player than a Guardiola Player.
However, I cannot see Bayern selling him. He is THE Bayern Player. Fans can identify with him like with no other Player.
Phew, that's really really difficult to answer. Individually Ribery, Robben, Schweinsteiger were probably better than Müller at their best, but if we take consistency and injuries into account, then it's difficult to see past Lahm and Müller. Wouldn't want to choose one over the other, not for Bayern or Germany.
@Revan I admit I probably judged him mostly on last season compared to the others. But he's hasn't been better than Robben or Ribery at their best. He was less injured compared to both, but Bayern lost more when those 2 were out than when Müller was out.
Me too. Aguero in particular seems to have a huge following on this forum. Muller has comprehensively outperformed him for club and country for years.
Less aesthetically pleasing than perhaps all of the aforementioned players, but Muller has been turning up in the biggest games at the highest level; a far cry from a majestic performance in a romp at St James' Park.
What a strange thing to say given muller wouldn't start for barca either so he'd have to be sold as well.
In the big matches - without Müller on the pitch - Robben and Ribery together did nothing. Then something is missing. I do not say that it is different, when both wingers are missing - but one winger and Müller in my eyes works better than both wingers without Müller.
Robben and Ribery have better per minute ratios when it means goals and assists - but compare age and they did not have those long number of matches without the other ones. Müller keeps his numbers even when he is playing with the German team or without Robben and Ribery - Robben does not. E.g. this season when Robben and Ribery was injured Lewy and Müller did still their thing - but two simply ain't three...
Müller is not missing often - but the times he is not playing are very interesting. Last March/April (2014) there was a time when Pep loved to sub him out early or sometimes did not start him and he only had 50% of the match time. Funnily Mandzu did not score a goal and Robben did not have an assist or goal in all the minutes Müller missed. The goaldifference without him on the pitch was negative - whereas with him they only had one match where the goaldifference was not positive during his match time (actually that was the first match against United when we played a 4-3-3 with him as a striker - that was the wrong tactic against parked busses). Ok - and then the second match against Real.
You cannot really explain this guy. Van Gaal played him and told after a year that he plays him because the pitch gets a lot bigger for the others when he is playing because of his runs. When you look in all the years - they bottle when he gets subbed - and mostly win when he is with them. His runs, his mentality, his belief or simply luck? The real interesting about him is that goalimpact stat where he even beats all of the historical players by a margin when the goal difference during his playing time is concerned.
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But all the talk about Müller does not make any sense. Bayern will not let him go.
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That's fair. The players (Robben, Ribery, Agüero, Silva, Hazard and Sanchez) I was talking about were individually better than him at their best IMO. I probably should have mentioned that. Sanchez is probably a bit of stretch now that I think about it, but Müller probably has consistency over most of them.
I think he would. Individually, there is not much difference between him and Neymar/Suarez. But then considering how versatile he is, I guess he could have taken the Rakitic place.
Getting Schweini means that the role Müller has as identification figure at Bayern gets even a lot more important. Lahm ain't the one for the "hearts". It is the two wingers, Müller and Schweinsteiger the local fans are rooting for. The ones that will blame Pep for Schweinsteiger's leave - and that are already a lot - will eye the situation around Müller very closely.
Muller has comparable stats with them (despite not playing as advanced as them), has won more trophies than them - like them being very integral to the team - and in my opinion is a better big match player (although again, both of them are big match players). I would also say that he is definitely more consistent.
Neymar and Suarez have definitely more flair than Muller but I think that all three of them are at around the same level. They were better than him last season (as was Barca better than Bayern) but if we look their entire career, there isn't much between them (with Muller being by far the most succesful one when it comes to trophies).
why? less of the typical qualitites?
it's like we set ourselves an already tough mission, to get anyone from Bayern, and then we try and make it an even sillier mission by going for their star man?!
Inexplicable.
We're a while off being able to get star players off the best teams, moneywise we're there, but as City found, it's not all that matters.
Before anyone mentions Di Maria, it was a different situation there,
Inexplicable.
We're a while off being able to get star players off the best teams, moneywise we're there, but as City found, it's not all that matters.
Before anyone mentions Di Maria, it was a different situation there,
Kane isn't better than Cavani. Not even close. Age is probably Kane's only advantage. Cavani scored as many goals as Kane despite playing from the left for the majority of the season. I'd prefer Cavani to Benzema as well. I know Cavani is easy to shit on cause he's missed some high profile chances in big games but come on. He's hit 30+ goals in 4 of the last 5 seasons. Kane's had one 30+ season. Benzema 2. Muller 0. He's a top player and I'd love him here.
I hate Muller, great player, punchable face and not the best footballer to enjoy watching. Chasing him, if serious, seems like a very difficult mission.
Cavani has been tragic for a while now. Was dog shite at the Copa America too.
Preferring Cavani to Benzema is a bit baffling, to be honest.
He's not a central midfielder so rakitic would be preferred, and there's simply no way he's getting ahead of Neymar or Suarez. The only way you could improve that trio is with Ronaldo or depending on form, Robben. Muller doesn't have the individual ability to get ahead of them. And over time he's been consistent but bayern have always had someone better, like Ribery or Robben or schweignstiger, all who at their best were better than Muller.
He's an an excellent footballer by my god you do overrate him.
Kane is 21ffs. You can't be serious in saying we shouldn't sign a 21 year old because he hasn't had 4 seasons with 30+ goals.
A team can play with 4 attacking players. In many cases it would do so if all of them are in top 10.
As I said, I think that Muller is comparable to them. Just because he isn't flashy enough, doesn't make him worse than them. Compare stats, how good the team is with and without him (compared to Suarez/Neymar), trophies, ppg with or without any of them, performances in big matches, Muller is comparable, if not better.
Is the relationship between Müller and Guardiola difficult as reported by some. If by some chance Müller and Schweinsteiger both left then you think Bayern fans would completely turn against Pep?
Cavani is definitely better than Kane, but Kane is almost a decade younger so it would be a better signing.
Cavani is second only to Higuain in being a flop in the biggest matches, which is a con against him. Strangely enough, this wasn't the case for Napoli.
Muller is a top, top player but he wouldn't start for Barcelona. That front 3 is just on a different planet. Not one player in our league would start in the attack for Barcelona so Sanchez leaving is not a slight on him if you apply common sense. The only player you could debate would be Aguero and for me, it's still a no.
Thomas Muller is a great player but why the constant comparisons? He'd really improve United's attack but, admittedly, I'd be very surprised if this happens.
Thomas Muller is a great player but why the constant comparisons? He'd really improve United's attack but, admittedly, I'd be very surprised if this happens.
It is just a discussion. He's not coming here, I don't think that any United fan is expecting that.
It's more so that I don't think he'll leave Bayern. If Guardiola does want rid I can't see Madrid in for him or Barcelona either - so United have every chance especially with the transfer figures being quoted.
He's not a typical Guardiola player and a fee of £60m ~ would certainly tempt them in my opinion but I think Guardiola would do himself a big favour to steer clear of selling Muller. He's a fan favourite and a spearhead for the German national side.
Even if Guardiola would want to sell him (in which case he is a fool), I can see Rummenige and co overruling him. It isn't that Guradiola has been for them so brilliant to make these kind of decisions.
If in fact they sell him - in which case I think that we would be by far favorites to get him because of LVG and the money we can spend - Guardiola needs to win UCL in the following season or he'll be lynched.
Bayern fans - for sure - but the media, too. Müller is the media love - of really every pundit there is in Munich. They even tell it. When Pep subbed him against Dortmund and Barcelona even their private twitter accounts just told poor disbelief...
The main Bayern pundit from Sky today even said that when there ever really should arise the question Müller or Pep Rummenigge and Co. simply have to go to keep Müller because not only of the future during his Bayern career - but because they see him following Hoeneß and Rummenigge after his career.
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So if Rummenigge accepted an offer from United - would the fans and media turn on him as well or is he untouchable
For everything under 100 million euros, yes.
Müller is 25. His best 6! years could be ahead. German, Bavarian and a great guy.
The media and the fans would go ape shit if we sell him. No chance in hell.
£72m...Woody would consider it.
Haha, ok.
But I really cant see him leaving before turning 28 or so.
Its too good for him in München.
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