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do.ob said:
Dortmund supposedly turned down an offer in the region of €50-60m from Real when the clause was still in play, if I remeber correctly that was supposed to be 2013, even before they sealed their new deal with Evonik and before they sold a lot of shares to Puma&co.
We can only speculate how big the influence of their share holders is but Puma surely wouldn't be happy about losing Reus to an Adidas club.
And if Reus was planning to move he probably would not have extended his contract and made the statements that he did.
I also don't see Bayern offering silly money to a rival, especially when the player was available for much less just a couple of months ago.
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That 50 Mil. € offer was actually even confirmed by the Dortmund officials.

People think we let him go for that kind of money in the current contract situation are delusional. 50-60 Mil. € would be Reus´ normal value in the market right now, if we would be willing to sell him this Summer and the player wanted to leave.

Some kind of "need" to sell would probably not start before offers doubling that. We don´t sell for money, we either sell because we don´t need the players anymore or because the player "forces" his way out. As neither of the two is obviously the case with Reus, it would need crazy money to make the officials reconsider.
 
sullydnl said:
Who counts as a trustworthy source?

Here's Ogden from the Telegraph:

"The club also made a late attempt to hijack his move from White Hart Lane to Real two years ago, when a £100 million bid by United failed to persuade Bale to reject a move to Madrid."

The other journalists who cover us reported the same bid at the same time, as did the journalists who cover the other clubs.
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You're wasting your time with quotes or links from respected journo's Sully. Yer man wants scanned copies of the official faxed bid to Spurs as proof ffs :lol:

Talk about being obsessed & draggin the arse out it..
 
RobinLFC said:
If De Bruyne really becomes available, City will get him at almost any price, maybe not up to €86m but they would certainly pay €70m for him if necessary.

And Dortmund wouldn't ever sell Reus for €50m. Like do.ob already said, they supposedly rejected €65m bids from Real and Liverpool so money is not an issue for them.

Last of all, you don't get Reus and Griezmann for €100m in today's market, you'd probably be looking at €120m to even begin with.
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According to who have they rejected approaches from Madrid and Liverpool? I can definitely see that bid happening, Reus moving and taking Ronaldo's place :rolleyes: Why would Liverpool even bother trying to sign him when they've got literally zero chance of it ever happening?

Dortmund aren't an English team who now have 70m+ minimum a year in guaranteed TV money. 50m is huge for most clubs outside the top 6 in Europe.

Atletico couldn't turn down 50m for Griezmann either, you only need to look at their history of selling players over the past 10 years to see how obvious that is.
 
Sphaero said:
That 50 Mil. € offer was actually even confirmed by the Dortmund officials.

People think we let him go for that kind of money in the current contract situation are delusional. 50-60 Mil. € would be Reus´ normal value in the market right now, if we would be willing to sell him this Summer and the player wanted to leave.

Some kind of "need" to sell would probably not start before offers doubling that. We don´t sell for money, we either sell because we don´t need the players anymore or because the player "forces" his way out. As neither of the two is obviously the case with Reus, it would need crazy money to make the officials reconsider.
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What a load of nonsense confirmed by officials.

Real Madrid go through the same process everytime they want a player, tap him up and see if he's interested in a move and then they start leaking stories to their mouthpiece in the press. If Reus didn't want to move no bid would be made, Perez would never put himself in the position to be embarrassed like that. That's without bringing up how ridiculous it is to pay anything more than his buyout clause since once it's met Dortmund have no say in the matter. Madrid made no bid, simple.
 
Dortmund officials confirming they won't sell for 60m, Bayern saying they won't sell Muller for 100m. But of course this is all legit and no one is acting out of self interest here. Hilarious.
 
goin4glory said:
According to who have they rejected approaches from Madrid and Liverpool? I can definitely see that bid happening, Reus moving and taking Ronaldo's place :rolleyes: Why would Liverpool even bother trying to sign him when they've got literally zero chance of it ever happening?

Dortmund aren't an English team who now have 70m+ minimum a year in guaranteed TV money. 50m is huge for most clubs outside the top 6 in Europe.

Atletico couldn't turn down 50m for Griezmann either, you only need to look at their history of selling players over the past 10 years to see how obvious that is.
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Several websites from different countries reported those bids for Reus, I know not all media is reliable but you've got to base yourself on something, don't you? And it seems like Sphaero already answered this question.

I think you're looking at the financial aspect of selling players too much. Also, Dortmund isn't just 'a club outside the top 6 in Europe' - they can easily turn down a 50m bid if they want to. Although it weren't 50m bids, they turned down huge amounts of money for Gundogan, Hummels and Lewandowski in the recent past. Why on earth would they sell their best player for 50m if they wouldn't find an apt replacement for that kind of money? Same goes for Griezmann, I can't be bothered to search for the exact fee but I think he was bought only last year for around 32m. Reus is Dortmund's most important player and Griezmann was one of Atletico's best players last year as well alongside (probably) Godin and Koke. 50m is a lot of money but I'm sure both clubs would reject those bids right now, otherwise they would be sold already. The value they represent for their clubs is way more than that. Football clubs are a business but sport-related issues are equally as important to top clubs like Atletico and Dortmund. Players like Reus and Griezmann make sure they can establish their places in the Champions League, sell a lot of season tickets, make more money from tv deals, you name it. If a player is (one of) the most important player(s) of the team and doesn't force himself out (and even then), you need to pay a lot more than his actual value, otherwise the club just won't let him go.
 
RobinLFC said:
Several websites from different countries reported those bids for Reus, I know not all media is reliable but you've got to base yourself on something, don't you? And it seems like Sphaero already answered this question.

I think you're looking at the financial aspect of selling players too much. Also, Dortmund isn't just 'a club outside the top 6 in Europe' - they can easily turn down a 50m bid if they want to. Although it weren't 50m bids, they turned down huge amounts of money for Gundogan, Hummels and Lewandowski in the recent past. Why on earth would they sell their best player for 50m if they wouldn't find an apt replacement for that kind of money? Same goes for Griezmann, I can't be bothered to search for the exact fee but I think he was bought only last year for around 32m. Reus is Dortmund's most important player and Griezmann was one of Atletico's best players last year as well alongside (probably) Godin and Koke. 50m is a lot of money but I'm sure both clubs would reject those bids right now, otherwise they would be sold already. The value they represent for their clubs is way more than that. Football clubs are a business but sport-related issues are equally as important to top clubs like Atletico and Dortmund. Players like Reus and Griezmann make sure they can establish their places in the Champions League, sell a lot of season tickets, make more money from tv deals, you name it. If a player is (one of) the most important player(s) of the team and doesn't force himself out (and even then), you need to pay a lot more than his actual value, otherwise the club just won't let him go.
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Please link me to some of these reputable reports. Anyone whose followed Madrid for the past 20 years knows exactly how they operate in the transfer market which is far more reliable than a tabloid journo. I also can't ever remember Madrid having a player as a number one target and missing out, what Madrid want they inevitably get. Reus would be no different.

They've never turned down huge offers for Gundogan, he got injured after his brilliant season and hasn't returned to that sort of form. He couldn't get anyone to meet his wage demands so extended his contract by 1 year, the plan is simple perform to your previous level and all the top clubs in Europe will come calling and won't shy away from the wage demands. Hummels decided himself to stay, nothing to do with Dortmund being able to reject offers.

They signed Griezmann for 30m so selling him after a few good seasons for 50m would represent a good bit of business. La Liga isn't like the premier league where the top 6 can all go out and spend 100m+ in a summer. Atletico only need to reinvest a smaller portion of those transfer fee's to protect their champions league status. Aguero was bought so 23m and sold for 40, Felipe Luis was signed for 10m and sold for 16, Falcao was signed for 40m and sold for 60. What makes Griezmann any different?
 
goin4glory said:
Please link me to some of these reputable reports. Anyone whose followed Madrid for the past 20 years knows exactly how they operate in the transfer market which is far more reliable than a tabloid journo. I also can't ever remember Madrid having a player as a number one target and missing out, what Madrid want they inevitably get. Reus would be no different.

They've never turned down huge offers for Gundogan, he got injured after his brilliant season and hasn't returned to that sort of form. He couldn't get anyone to meet his wage demands so extended his contract by 1 year, the plan is simple perform to your previous level and all the top clubs in Europe will come calling and won't shy away from the wage demands. Hummels decided himself to stay, nothing to do with Dortmund being able to reject offers.

They signed Griezmann for 30m so selling him after a few good seasons for 50m would represent a good bit of business. La Liga isn't like the premier league where the top 6 can all go out and spend 100m+ in a summer. Atletico only need to reinvest a smaller portion of those transfer fee's to protect their champions league status. Aguero was bought so 23m and sold for 40, Felipe Luis was signed for 10m and sold for 16, Falcao was signed for 40m and sold for 60. What makes Griezmann any different?
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Where did I say he was their primary target this summer? It seems like they'll get their number one target this summer in De Gea though. They just made a bid for Reus, type 'Reus Real Madrid' in Google and you get your reports, but I think Sphaero's comment here says enough about this situation.

Selling Griezmann right now for 50m would be selling him after one good season, not a few good ones which makes quite a difference. A club like Atletico doesn't buy a high profile player for 30m to see him off the next summer for 50m, they're not like Porto or some other clubs in that regard. Aguero was sold because they almost knew for a certainty they'd get Falcao that summer, Felipe Luis was sold because they still have two terrific LBs in Siqueira and Ansaldi right now, and when they sold Falcao, Diego Costa was able to take over that number one striker role immediately. Who will lead their attack next season if they sell Griezmann? Torres? Add to that the facts that Turan and Mandzukic are already gone and there is no way in hell they will sell Griezmann this summer. I'm not saying they never will, and the price could very well be somewhere around 50m, but it just won't happen this summer because it would be very stupid to do such a thing for a mere margin of 20m. They'd gain something but they'd lose way too much by doing so. Atletico isn't a PL team so they might have less incomes, but please do not act like they need the money. They were La Liga champions and made it to the CL Final only two years ago. They've got plenty.

I suggest we'll agree to disagree and let this thread go back to its original purpose of discussing Thomas Müller, another player who won't be sold this summer.
 
goin4glory said:
What a load of nonsense confirmed by officials.

Real Madrid go through the same process everytime they want a player, tap him up and see if he's interested in a move and then they start leaking stories to their mouthpiece in the press. If Reus didn't want to move no bid would be made, Perez would never put himself in the position to be embarrassed like that. That's without bringing up how ridiculous it is to pay anything more than his buyout clause since once it's met Dortmund have no say in the matter. Madrid made no bid, simple.
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What the hell are you talking about? The said offer was in Spring 2013 for the following Summer. Reus´clause could not be triggered until this Summer. Dortmund had to green light a transfer and both our CEO and DoF were asked if that offer existed. They confirmed it and turned it down.

We might not be part of the absolute European elite, but we also don´t sell top players for money or are dependent on transfer revenue. We will come close to 300 Mil. € annual revenue and are financially completely healthy. We could actually invest 50 Mil. € on the market if we wanted to and would still be completely fine in terms of finances.
 
RobinLFC said:
I suggest we'll agree to disagree and let this thread go back to its original purpose of discussing Thomas Müller, another player who won't be sold this summer.
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Yes, let's not take this thread too far off course. Thanks.
 
RobinLFC said:
Where did I say he was their primary target this summer? It seems like they'll get their number one target this summer in De Gea though. They just made a bid for Reus, type 'Reus Real Madrid' in Google and you get your reports, but I think Sphaero's comment here says enough about this situation.

Selling Griezmann right now for 50m would be selling him after one good season, not a few good ones which makes quite a difference. A club like Atletico doesn't buy a high profile player for 30m to see him off the next summer for 50m, they're not like Porto or some other clubs in that regard. Aguero was sold because they almost knew for a certainty they'd get Falcao that summer, Felipe Luis was sold because they still have two terrific LBs in Siqueira and Ansaldi right now, and when they sold Falcao, Diego Costa was able to take over that number one striker role immediately. Who will lead their attack next season if they sell Griezmann? Torres? Add to that the facts that Turan and Mandzukic are already gone and there is no way in hell they will sell Griezmann this summer. I'm not saying they never will, and the price could very well be somewhere around 50m, but it just won't happen this summer because it would be very stupid to do such a thing for a mere margin of 20m. They'd gain something but they'd lose way too much by doing so. Atletico isn't a PL team so they might have less incomes, but please do not act like they need the money. They were La Liga champions and made it to the CL Final only two years ago. They've got plenty.

I suggest we'll agree to disagree and let this thread go back to its original purpose of discussing Thomas Müller, another player who won't be sold this summer.
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LA Liga champions who earned less TV money than West Ham and every club in the premier league. If Griezmann was sold they'd simply use the 50m to buy a replacement as they've always done. Mandzukic was sold because they wanted to sell him and Vietto has been bought as his replacement, and 20m isn't a mere margin, it's as big as margin as any of their marquee signings over the last 10 years.
 
Keep it on topic, no one wants to wade through page after page of absolute shite. We have Paz's threads for that.

Anyone who derails this thread from here on will be harshly moderated.
 
Rummenigge stated today again that they would be absolutely insane ("von allen Geistern verlassen") if they would sell Mueller - and that there is players that have no price tag... he is not for sale
 
Blackwidow said:
Rummenigge stated today again that they would be absolutely insane ("von allen Geistern verlassen") if they would sell Mueller - and that there is players that have no price tag... he is not for sale
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We should bid for rummenigge too the anti muppet.
 
Blackwidow said:
Rummenigge stated today again that they would be absolutely insane ("von allen Geistern verlassen") if they would sell Mueller - and that there is players that have no price tag... he is not for sale
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Guten morgen meine fräulein! (Sorry for bad attempt. I study six years of German language in school 35 years ago so my German is a bit rusty, to say at least..)

The interesting part of Rümmenigge's statement isn't the answer itself, thats obvious regarding they just sold Basti. The part that is fascinating is that he feels forced to give a statement of intend regarding his key player. That's a change of normal policy. It's clear that the Bayern hierarchy feels the pressure from United, you don't turn down €100m lightly even if it is your poster boy.

In the space of two weeks Woody has unsettle two of our biggest rivals in the transfer market. Thats impressing whatever outcome will be.
 
sullydnl said:
Is there more than one publication called Bild? It would explain a lot if there was because a quick google search tells me:
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Bild is (at least among) Europe's biggest daily newspaper(s). That one is full of idiocy and trash.

The publisher also has "Sport Bild", which is a weekly sports magazine, that one is considered to be reliable and their editing process has little to nothing to do with the sports section from the Bild Newspaper. This is probably the one everyone speaks about when they say "Bild has XY news about Bayern". The newspaper "Bild" may poach information from their weekly magazine staff, naturally. It's all one publisher, of course.

The publisher also has a "Computer Bild", an "Auto Bild" etc.... pretty much everything is covered with that Bild label in some form.

The only real "trashy" publication is the newspaper, though. The magazines are all...well, not regarded the best, but at least halfway decent publications.
 
7even said:
In the space of two weeks Woody has unsettle two of our biggest rivals in the transfer market. Thats impressing whatever outcome will be.
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I wouldn't interpret too much into those statements. If reporters keep pestering him about rumours, he's got to say something. Doesn't mean (or exclude) that he feels pressured. Just means he feels obligated to give the media some sort of response so they stop asking every day. :)
 
7even said:
Guten morgen meine fräulein! (Sorry for bad attempt. I study six years of German language in school 35 years ago so my German is a bit rusty, to say at least..)

The interesting part of Rümmenigge's statement isn't the answer itself, thats obvious regarding they just sold Basti. The part that is fascinating is that he feels forced to give a statement of intend regarding his key player. That's a change of normal policy. It's clear that the Bayern hierarchy feels the pressure from United, you don't turn down €100m lightly even if it is your poster boy.

In the space of two weeks Woody has unsettle two of our biggest rivals in the transfer market. Thats impressing whatever outcome will be.
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I would just Faaarkin love it, just love it if we got both Ramos and Muller.
Can't breathe just thinking of it!
 
Every company (or club) who consider themselves at the top of the food chain of their business usually don't comment on rumors, that would be to confirm the are under pressure. You hardly see Apple, BMW or some other giant company comment on rumors. United has the same policy.

I fully agree with Lagger that Rümminigges statement isn't much to bother about but just that he open his mouth says something.
 
7even said:
I fully agree with Lagger that Rümminigges statement isn't much to bother about but just that he open his mouth says something.
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You over-germaned it. No Ü in Rummenigge. ;)
 
Piratesoup said:
You over-germaned it. No Ü in Rummenigge. ;)
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My bad. Thanks for correcting me. I have English, Portuguese, German and my original language version on my key board. Its a mess and my wife always change to her preferred language. Naughty women ;-)
 
goin4glory said:
According to who have they rejected approaches from Madrid and Liverpool? I can definitely see that bid happening, Reus moving and taking Ronaldo's place :rolleyes: Why would Liverpool even bother trying to sign him when they've got literally zero chance of it ever happening?

Dortmund aren't an English team who now have 70m+ minimum a year in guaranteed TV money. 50m is huge for most clubs outside the top 6 in Europe.

Atletico couldn't turn down 50m for Griezmann either, you only need to look at their history of selling players over the past 10 years to see how obvious that is.
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The PL clubs are guaranteed over £100m (140m Euros) minimum from DOMESTIC TV money next season. That means that the relegation teams will get more TV money than Barca and Real do, and they sell their deals solo.

The financial gulf between the PL and the rest that is happening cannot be understated. They are going to be operating on different planets. Only the top two in Spain and Bayern will be in the same stratosphere.

On another note; Muller is going nowhere.
 
7even said:
Every company (or club) who consider themselves at the top of the food chain of their business usually don't comment on rumors, that would be to confirm the are under pressure. You hardly see Apple, BMW or some other giant company comment on rumors. United has the same policy.

I fully agree with Lagger that Rümminigges statement isn't much to bother about but just that he open his mouth says something.
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I don't think we can and should compare football clubs 100% to normal companies, football is at least partially still about fans, something which companies generally don't have. Aside from apple of course.
Let's derail this thread with an apple vs the rest discussion please!


And I don't think Rummenigge's statement necessarily has to mean anything about United: Ever since Guardiola took over there has always been some talk about Bayern maybe losing their face/way with having a coach who is a influental/popular as Pep every now and then (probably mainly when he brought in a Spaniard or when they lost an important match).

Losing Schweinsteiger and Müller in the same window (imo probably the most 'Bavarian' players in the squad aside from Badstuber) would have been like adding a tanker of fuel to the flame of that discussion/fear. So the way I see it it makes a lot of sense for Rummenigge to categorically shoot down any rumours about Müller leaving to stop that kind of talk before it even starts.
 
do.ob said:
I don't think we can and should compare football clubs 100% to normal companies, football is at least partially still about fans, something which companies generally don't have. Aside from apple of course.
Let's derail this thread with an apple vs the rest discussion please!


And I don't think Rummenigge's statement necessarily has to mean anything about United: Ever since Guardiola took over there has always been some talk about Bayern maybe losing their face/way with having a coach who is a influental/popular as Pep every now and then (probably mainly when he brought in a Spaniard or when they lost an important match).

Losing Schweinsteiger and Müller in the same window (imo probably the most 'Bavarian' players in the squad aside from Badstuber) would have been like adding a tanker of fuel to the flame of that discussion/fear. So the way I see it it makes a lot of sense for Rummenigge to categorically shoot down any rumours about Müller leaving to stop that kind of talk before it even starts.
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I understand what you're saying but normal management communication is;

If you haven't any news to tell don't talk, it will only create speculations.

Rummenigge could have said;

We are (f*cking) Bayer M and we are totally relaxed about our squad, looking forward to the new season. (With a smile, it's say everything and nothing)

This is my take on this. Both Rummenigge and Perez has started to comment about things they never talked about before. Money talks (and Woody walks )

Good sign for the future!
 
that is a nice theory, but it doesn´t reflect reality. German "news" outlets report about Bayern all the time. If Pep makes an angry face during a training session, they speculate about him falling out with half of the squad. They wrote a million times, that Guardiola doesn´t like Müller. There are a new articles about this nonsense every time Müller gets subbed. If Rummenigge answer with anything but an unambiguous denial, they´ll write the next weeks about nothing else.
 
7even said:
I understand what you're saying but normal management communication is;

If you haven't any news to tell don't talk, it will only create speculations.

Rummenigge could have said;

We are (f*cking) Bayer M and we are totally relaxed about our squad, looking forward to the new season. (With a smile, it's say everything and nothing)

This is my take on this. Both Rummenigge and Perez has started to comment about things they never talked about before. Money talks (and Woody walks )

Good sign for the future!
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Perez, Rummenigge and Woodward probably have very different roles and levels of influence in their clubs. It doesn't make that much sense to just compare them one for one. And the press isn't nice enough to hold off on a juicy narrative, simply because you no comment them with a smile. Some ambiguous general statement might even be interpreted as Rummenigge telling Müller to suck it up or feck off, because the team/club is bigger than any player.
 
7even said:
Guten morgen meine fräulein! (Sorry for bad attempt. I study six years of German language in school 35 years ago so my German is a bit rusty, to say at least..)

The interesting part of Rümmenigge's statement isn't the answer itself, thats obvious regarding they just sold Basti. The part that is fascinating is that he feels forced to give a statement of intend regarding his key player. That's a change of normal policy. It's clear that the Bayern hierarchy feels the pressure from United, you don't turn down €100m lightly even if it is your poster boy.

In the space of two weeks Woody has unsettle two of our biggest rivals in the transfer market. Thats impressing whatever outcome will be.
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Haha. Love it. You really should write for the Sun oder the Daily Mail.
He was asked about United and Müller and destroyed that (really stupid) rumor.
If all it shows the money and lure we(Bayern) have. Im impressed how you work it as a sign for the might of United. :D

And its Rummenigge, He won the de facto world player of the year 2 times. A bit of respect please.
 
anchan1989 said:
Haha. Love it. You really should write for the Sun oder the Daily Mail.
He was asked about United and Müller and destroyed that (really stupid) rumor.
If all it shows the money and lure we(Bayern) have. Im impressed how you work it as a sign for the might of United. :D

And its Rummenigge, He won the de facto world player of the year 2 times. A bit of respect please.
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He took the Qatari riyal so no.
 
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