Thomas Müller

So according to todays kicker, we made an formal approach for Müller, but our interest in Kroos has cooled down since the sacking of David Moyes. His agent ruled out him going to Barcelona didn't comment on the links to United according to the Bild.

Seems like there is some serious interest in him. Doubt it will happen

Discombobulating. Van Gaal seemed to rate Kroos very highly during his time at Bayern. How reliable are the good people at Kicker?
 
I doubt it'd cost much more than the reported amounts for Konoplyanka and Lallana.
Lallana would probably be in the £20~ region, Muller would surely be at least £35m.
 
I doubt it'd cost much more than the reported amounts for Konoplyanka and Lallana.

Then we very much disagree, Can't comment on Konoplyanka, but Lallana won't go for half of what Múller does :lol: You must realise that? Unless there is something glaringly obvious I've missed?
 
Then we very much disagree, Can't comment on Konoplyanka, but Lallana won't go for half of what Múller does :lol: You must realise that? Unless there is something glaringly obvious I've missed?

Lallana is being linked at £25m and Konoplyanka at £12m. Muller's fee wouldn't be much more than £40m you'd have thought.
 
Lallana is being linked at £25m and Konoplyanka at £12m. Muller's fee wouldn't be much more than £40m you'd have thought.

Well then that is much more? Nearly double Lallana and over 3x Kono? Hmm

Anyway, the question was whether you'd spend most of your budget, but then assuming you had a £40/50m budget and was offered him for your full budget, would you?

Again there's no right/wrong here I just really appreciate/depreciate the wrong areas of pool's team as I felt AM was their strongest point.
 
Does that mean Rooneys days could be numbered.
I don't think so, Van Gaal will use a system that makes him start matches. But I don't think it will suit Rooney's preferences. If Rooney moans and cries, Van Gaal will drop him in an instant.
 


Oh god, it's onnnnuunnnnhggnn

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Well then that is much more? Nearly double Lallana and over 3x Kono? Hmm

Anyway, the question was whether you'd spend most of your budget, but then assuming you had a £40/50m budget and was offered him for your full budget, would you?

Again there's no right/wrong here I just really appreciate/depreciate the wrong areas of pool's team as I felt AM was their strongest point.

I meant their fees added together. I'd take Muller over Konplyanka AND Lallana.

I think we'll have more than £40m.

James Pearce is reporting Rodgers is likely to spend big on an attacking midfielder. I don't see Muller happening, I think it'll be Lallana.
 
Seems like the phone connection between the camp of the Elftal and the German one is very busy...
 
He said the following:

"I am now at a point where I want to know before the next season starts if I am going to play a crucial role in the first eleven and if the club really is planning with me for the coming years"

"I am not the type anymore who plays a role here and there and decides to shut up and everyone can do what he wants with me, that's not me anymore."

"As a Munich player (here he means as a player who came through the Bayern Munich youth system) it's usually a bit more difficult at Bayern Munich, despite us (these same players who came though the own ranks) being the basis of the club."
 
I wonder who will follow him at Bayern.

Him, Schweinsteiger and Mandzukic I guess. Kroos will then get the Schweinsteiger salary.

It's the problem with having such a world class squad, world class players aren't happy to be on the bench and that's where this guys would probably end up next year.
 
It will be an interesting summer, given it seems Guardiola wants to change quite a few things. Still I can't see them selling Muller this summer, he will have a stormer at the WC and they'll be mad to sell him. You never know though eh
 
I wonder who will follow him at Bayern.

Him and Schweinsteiger would be epic.

But they are 2 or Bayerns 3 best players, so irrespective of how they fit any "system" Pep wants to play, they are not going to be sold.

Schweinsteiger especially is a beast of a player still with at least 5 years of top performances left in him.
 
Him, Schweinsteiger and Mandzukic I guess. Kroos will then get the Schweinsteiger salary.

It's the problem with having such a world class squad, world class players aren't happy to be on the bench and that's where this guys would probably end up next year.
I'm actually not sure about Kroos. I can be totally wrong but get the feeling that he's majorly pissed about his contrat extension being in limbo. Wouldn't be surprised if he will push for a move this summer, and if they don't let him leave, he'll go as a free agent next summer.

Him and Schweinsteiger would be epic.

But they are 2 or Bayerns 3 best players, so irrespective of how they fit any "system" Pep wants to play, they are not going to be sold.

Schweinsteiger especially is a beast of a player still with at least 5 years of top performances left in him.
I'm more cautious about Bastian's health status in the upcoming years but think that the days where anybody else than Pep has a say in who will play are gone. And I doubt that Schweinsteiger will keep his mouth shut - to use Müller's words in case he's fit but on the bench.
 
As good as Guardiola may be, his man-management style clearly causes some friction in the camp among the squad players. Looks much more suited to handling a small squad with hungry youth players like he had at Barca than a monstrous squad full of superstars like at Madrid.

For example Shaqiri's turaround in just a few months is fairly striking:

"I think he is the perfect trainer for Bayern Munich and we have a lot of fun in training, which is very important, we have a lot of fun in games, so I think he is the perfect trainer."

Nov 2013

"I felt more trust under [Jupp] Heynckes, maybe because [Pep] Guardiola does not talk to the players that much,"

May 2014
 
Lets say he is unhappy. Who is lined up to replace him? is he worried hell play on the wing for Bayern because if he came here thats where hed also play.
 
As good as Guardiola may be, his man-management style clearly causes some friction in the camp among the squad players. Looks much more suited to handling a small squad with hungry youth players like he had at Barca than a monstrous squad full of superstars like at Madrid.

For example Shaqiri's turaround in just a few months is fairly striking:

His man-management is a bit off, so has his transfers been as well. He has rotated quite a bit though which wasn't common at Barcelona.
 
It will be an interesting summer, given it seems Guardiola wants to change quite a few things. Still I can't see them selling Muller this summer, he will have a stormer at the WC and they'll be mad to sell him. You never know though eh
I think you can get him at 33-1 for top goal scorer
Him and Schweinsteiger would be epic.

But they are 2 or Bayerns 3 best players, so irrespective of how they fit any "system" Pep wants to play, they are not going to be sold.

Schweinsteiger especially is a beast of a player still with at least 5 years of top performances left in him.
I wouldn't say no to Schweinsteiger! Muller lacks in real pace for me, do you think that would be effective in the BPL?
 
I think you can get him at 33-1 for top goal scorer

I wouldn't say no to Schweinsteiger! Muller lacks in real pace for me, do you think that would be effective in the BPL?

He is a very intelligent player, his movement and technique for me is enough. Think of Sheringham, who wasn't very quick but was smart and very good on the ball.
 
Who says he'll come here if he was to leave?

His agent said no comment to Utd, and no to Barca last month apparently.
He also said last month he enjoyed working with LVG but was happy at Bayern.
 
He is a very intelligent player, his movement and technique for me is enough. Think of Sheringham, who wasn't very quick but was smart and very good on the ball.

On top of that I'd say he's deceptively quick. He definitely doesn't appear to be quick but after getting in behind defences due to his clever movement you never really see him struggle to race on ahead of the defence. He's shown that against some of the big European teams in important CL games as well.

The Bayern fans seem adamant van Gaal would play Muller in behind the forward rather than on either wing so I don't know if he'd be a perfect fit for us, but his ability to get in behind the defence and provide a supporting goal threat for the forward is something this team needs to help Kagawa/Mata thrive I think.
 
On top of that I'd say he's deceptively quick. He definitely doesn't appear to be quick but after getting in behind defences due to his clever movement you never really see him struggle to race on ahead of the defence. He's shown that against some of the big European teams in important CL games as well.

You're actually right, he isn't slow at all.
 
Müller is a stud. Imagine him with a scruffy beard + Mata + DDG. We'd have 3 members of the Spice Boys all ready to go. Seriously I don't think my mind could take the scruffy sexy overload!
 
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As good as Guardiola may be, his man-management style clearly causes some friction in the camp among the squad players. Looks much more suited to handling a small squad with hungry youth players like he had at Barca than a monstrous squad full of superstars like at Madrid.

For example Shaqiri's turaround in just a few months is fairly striking:



Nov 2013



May 2014
A lot can change in half a year to be fair
 
Van Persie
Januzaj - Mata - Muller

He plays on the right for Germany and Bayern often enough, although LvG played him upfront with Olic.
 
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jun/04/thomas-muller-bayern-munich-talks-manchester-united

Thomas Müller has alerted Manchester United and Europe’s other elite clubs by admitting he wants to establish if Bayern Munich view him as an “essential component of the first XI” for next season, with the attacking midfielder unsure following Pep Guardiola’s first term in charge.

Louis van Gaal remains an admirer of Müller after the new Manchester United manager gave him his Bayern debut in the 2009-10 season when previously in charge of the German champions.

Under Guardiola, Müller managed to score 13 times in 25 Bundesliga starts despite the Spanish coach often asking him to play in different positions, and had been thought to be content with his role. But the 24-year-old has now decided he wants greater clarification.

“I have reached the point where I want to know if I am an essential component of the Bayern Munich first XI for the new season and if the club has plans for me over the coming years,” Müller told Stern, a German magazine. “That’s why I will be out to have a meeting. I am not the type of guy that says: ‘Alright, I have played a good part and will keep my mouth shut and everyone else is able to do with me whatever he wants’. As a Munich boy your test at Bayern Munich is always a bit tougher, but we [players from the youth academy] are the grassroots of this club.”

Van Gaal may consider a move for Müller should there be a possibility that he could leave Bayern, with the player having spoken in the past about their relationship.

“It’s no secret that Louis van Gaal and I have a relationship that goes a little beyond the normal relationship between coaches and players,” he said.

However, given Müller’s proven quality United would face competition for his signature, with him perhaps preferring a move to a club in next season’s Champions League, which the 20-times champions are not.

Forget the last sentence.

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It was not big in the press but Kicker yesterday told about phone calls between Müller and van Gaal - and Woodward getting a fast no as at an answer of Rummenigge at the CL final. But I imagine that if Müller does not get the wished answer from Bayern or Guardiola he is on his way out - and then the club might have to let him go. It is not about money.
 
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As good as Guardiola may be, his man-management style clearly causes some friction in the camp among the squad players. Looks much more suited to handling a small squad with hungry youth players like he had at Barca than a monstrous squad full of superstars like at Madrid.

I think he's probably aware of that. It would explain why he's always said in the past that he prefers to work with smaller squads with versatile players instead of having "2 for every position" like at most top clubs. Could mean some players leave in the summer but I think he already trimmed it down a bit last year...