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This is what is so obvious to everyone yet beyong comprehension of creative. Reigns lacks a good heel. When Rollins was there, they never pushed Reigns to the big picture. Now with Rollins gone, Sheamus fell flat. HHH ideally should take up as the monster Authority heel...and what happens? He get pushed as a face and talks about respect when he should be talking about best for business.
Now they put him in a Triple Threat with Ambrose and Lesnar, 2 stars arguably more popular than Reigns just now. And when he wins (with the obvious push) by pinning Ambrose, it is all geared up to one more round of boo'ing.
What a waste! If I was Reigns, I'd certainly doubt if WWE has my best intentions at heart...as it looks like a polished backstabbing.
It's fairly obvious no one gives two fecks about Reigns. It took one of the most bland characters (Sheamus) becoming champions for him to truly go over even that has evaporated. It's been a year since he was pushed and he still has no next to no personality and can barely talk. Comparisons to Cena are ridiculous. The man was over for a long long time before people started to get fed up of him. Batista was shit in the 2nd run but was very much over when he was first pushed. The fans don't want Reigns. Full stop. It's got nothing to do with lacking a good heel. The booking hasn't helped but he's just not very good.
Saying hes not over is crazy though. Whether hes good or not in the ring or promos, or popular or not is something different. People do care about him however.
Ill tell you who is a good heel. Vince McMahon.
People that arent, HHH (who wants to be the cool badass) and Stephanie (who is the worst character (despite being good to look at) in wrestling as she never gets "hers").
There are no top heels anymore as you said. Rollins played it well, but the problem is, his work in the ring makes him come of as a good guy (except for finishes). They need a JBL or Bully Ray type, somebody who made you hate them.
Ill tell you who is a good heel. Vince McMahon.
People that arent, HHH (who wants to be the cool badass) and Stephanie (who is the worst character (despite being good to look at) in wrestling as she never gets "hers").
There are no top heels anymore as you said. Rollins played it well, but the problem is, his work in the ring makes him come of as a good guy (except for finishes). They need a JBL or Bully Ray type, somebody who made you hate them.
People don't care about him. Getting jeered because no one wants you is not being over. Seth Rollins was over. Reigns has never been over except when he beat the only guy with less personality than him.
Triple-H is top heel, one of the best in fact.
Triple-H is top heel, one of the best in fact.
I feel for Reigns. He puts in work and you can tell he's really trying. The fact he isn't over isn't his fault and you have to feel for him for that.
It's going to be so difficult to get him over now.
It's going to be so difficult to get him over now.
I think he did a good heel. Pinned Reigns and defeated Lesnar for the title, defeated Cena at SummerSlam for dual title, he was great. The gimmicks with J&J security and then Kane were great to watch. They could have portrayed him a bit stronger and less snivelling, but overall not much to complain there.
LoN lacks a dynamic character. Sheamus, AdR and Rusev play the heel almost the same way. They should let Barrett lead.
Meh, The reaction after he demolished HHH was something to see. RAW was buzzing next day. So as usual it gets ignored by Creative. What people boo is obvious pushing down the throat. Both Rumbles did that and both got boo'd deservedly.
On the back of Sheamus winning the title, who the fans want even less than Reigns.
I didn't mind when Reigns was pushed but he's done nothing over the last year to suggest he should be a main eventer. Everything about him looks so forced, from the booking itself to his general demeanor. I've come to the conclusion that he's not just not very good.
Can't believe it took me so long to pick up Lucha Underground. Such a good show.
In 2000, yes. Not in 2016.
Disagree on him doing nothing....He had lots of great matches in 2015, Wyatt ones, HiaC, Lesnar in WM, demolition of HHH...etc and that's what fans want to see. Him coming up organically.
Agree on Sheamus. The whole division took a step into mediocrity, esp with Rollins injured and Cena taking a break. There was nobody to lead and creative mucked about everything and made it worse. Reigns rumble booking, Sheamus winning MitB and then WWE Championship..From a good Rollins to a sudden vacuum lead to him getting thrust into limelight and that didn't go well.
Oh he's good in the ring, I don't doubt that. He's definitely had some great matches but everything else about him is so meh.
He doesnt really need much else though. His promos shouldnt be 20 minute promos nor should it be (It should be interactions or short and sweet statements). He just needs good matches and more so, good booking that doesnt make him come off as a coward like Rumble did.
Sheamus ending SS as champ made me not watch Raw for a month until Reigns won it back. Reigns needs to be the badass he was in the Shield, not the corny John Cena lite.
Sheamus ending SS as champ made me not watch Raw for a month until Reigns won it back. Reigns needs to be the badass he was in the Shield, not the corny John Cena lite.
Personally, with Reigns being pretty crap and the creative around him being worst, the lack of guys at the top, and just nothing really going on with the HWC. I can't wait for Rollins to return. Imagine that pop.
Love to see him somehow return at Wrestlemania 32. Then keep him out the ring till MiTB, where he wins again.
Love to see him somehow return at Wrestlemania 32. Then keep him out the ring till MiTB, where he wins again.
Lucha Underground back with a bang...
They made me believe...just for a second.
Slightly underwhelming, I'm sorry to say.
I mean, there's been nothing bad in there but he's been incredibly vanilla. I'd say his best showing was Brooklyn, but that's largely down to the guys mega charisma in his ability to project himself to a massive arena. In some ways he already feels to big for NXT (to me) although he does clearly need to iron some stuff out.
Depending on arena, I think it could be HHH @ MSG big.
Was that as big as Austin at Backlash, its a close call.
Me too man. Me too!
His mic work has mostly been underwhelming imo.
Go back and watch the match at TLC when he won the belt. Then make your choice on whether he's over or not. Incredible pop when he got the pin. That was him as the top face. And then booking let him down.
Reigns is over, just not over enough to be top face.
I think very few people would have a problem with him if he wasnt forced so hard on people. It smacks of John Cena, where the crowd had turned on him, yet Vince just persisted. People see the same with Reigns and are just turned out.
Instead of getting a guy and pushing him so people like him, how about pushing a guy that people like instead?
I think very few people would have a problem with him if he wasnt forced so hard on people. It smacks of John Cena, where the crowd had turned on him, yet Vince just persisted. People see the same with Reigns and are just turned out.
Instead of getting a guy and pushing him so people like him, how about pushing a guy that people like instead?
Lots of canned crowd responses in this Smackdown.
Neville just can't catch a break can he? Always close, never winning a title.
Ah the Styles Clash. All is good in the world again.
Hey, Big Show is face again. Could see them do a Strowman/Big Show match at fastlane. ZZZZZ
Neville just can't catch a break can he? Always close, never winning a title.
Ah the Styles Clash. All is good in the world again.
Hey, Big Show is face again. Could see them do a Strowman/Big Show match at fastlane. ZZZZZ
Apart from Axel making it look like shit... and he wonders why he's on the low card and hardly used.
Wonder if any of Lesnar, Reigns or Ambrose will get the win at fast lane if the Wyatts get involved
He looked a bit scared to take it. I was actually wondering if they would allow him to still use it, especially with piledrivers, punt kicks and curb stomps already on the ban list.
I imagine it'll be a No DQ thing, so they can attack Lesnar without it meaning that Ambrose and Reigns can't continue. Easiest way to do it is have Ambrose or Reigns down, Wyatts run out just as Brock's hit the F5 on the other, they attack him, Strowman carries him off, match ends as a 1v1.
Triple Threats normally are no DQ anyway.
Fun times ahead in New Japan, Shinsuke had his emotional last match today (with Okada crying like a baby) and goodbye speech, we found out who X is to face Kenny Omega (will put in spoilers just in case) and a certain Will Ospreay has been announced as signing for NJPW, leading to TNA getting very pissed off as they thought they had him signed.
Really fun to see what they do now that they have to make new stars, Shibata, Goto, Naito and Omega will surely feature massively in the next year in and around those top spots to see who takes.
Really fun to see what they do now that they have to make new stars, Shibata, Goto, Naito and Omega will surely feature massively in the next year in and around those top spots to see who takes.
Hiroshi Tanahashi, who else?
That makes 2 times in roughly one week. First AJ, now Ospreay.
Mania is 9 weeks away. He couldn't. Could he?
Course he fecking could 
Man's a machine.
Man's a machine.
Go on then.. Book Cena at Mania.. But it can't have any (much) build as he's not going to be sure of competing until weeks before at the earliest..
What scenarios are there for him if he does, miraculously, get himself fit and healthy?
What scenarios are there for him if he does, miraculously, get himself fit and healthy?
Whichever babyface is hottest and wins their match will get congratulated by him at the top of the ramp.
Could they just book it, no build, no reason...Taker vs Cena? I'd still be interested.
Stick him in the Andre the Giant match as a surprise entrant
Cena has been stuck in crap feuds in the last few years at Mania, if he was him i'd veto another such match.Stick him in the Andre the Giant match as a surprise entrant
Cena v Kallisto in a US Open Challenge match. Cena wins, but Kallisto takes him to the absolute brink and cements himself as a star in the process.
I've started to respect Cena more since he has been gone.
Just curiously, why didn't you respect him before?