I think we'll all watch the first one and that's it. He's no Lesnar.
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I think we'll all watch the first one and that's it. He's no Lesnar.
He was on about ww preferably. Mw at worst.
I think he'll lose too much strength if he goes down to WW. MW should be okay though.
UFC is pretty much sports entertainment as well. They're gonna throw him a few easy wins to build him up as they need the PPV buys which are down. Would be a disaster for them if he gets his ass kicked
Not too sure there is an easy win for him at UFC level unless they bring in some ringers.
Dana said he would go against another 0-0. Though somebody could end up making their name by defeating Punk (even though Punk has no MMA record to speak of)
Yeah, but any 0-0 who's made it to the UFC are going to be people who have dedicated their life to MMA, where as Punk apparently has 2 weeks every 6 months for the last few years. Although he has extensive grappling experience, the vast majority of it is with the other guy helping him, not trying to hinder him.
Of course, I presume between now and then, Punk's going to put in serious time with the Gracies.
Of course, I presume between now and then, Punk's going to put in serious time with the Gracies.
I know it wasn't UFC, but for Batista's first fight he was fighting someone who looked like he'd been eating burgers in Mcdonalds until they dragged him in. Shouldn't be too hard to hire a few (for want of a better term) jobbers to build him up a bit.
Personally I think there is a big difference between UFC and WWE. UFC is a legit sports aimed at 18-35 year old males and is promoted and built as a sport, the same way as Boxing is. Modern day WWE is aimed at families and children and is promoted more like a soap opera than a sport. WWE's hardly NJPW is it?
There are some aspects of WWE that I like but for the most part I have really struggled to maintain interest in WWE these last couple of years and the conclusion I have come to is that is that the vast majority of programming and angles are not aimed at guys like me. Every point I am ready to completely give in they do something that I like and I stay watching to see if they are changing but each time I end up feeling the same way. Hence I have not watched for a couple of months and am not planning to return until the Rumble.
Its impossible to know how he will get on. Isn't he due to drop to 185lbs? Id imagine he is no more than 200lbs anyway no matter what he is billed as.
Losing strength won't be too much of an issue as he has never been a powerhouse. He would need to ensure his technique and striking is upto scratch so hr stands at least half a chance. Im sure money isnt his motivation so hopefully he has shown something in training to suggest he can put up a decent fight
Losing strength won't be too much of an issue as he has never been a powerhouse. He would need to ensure his technique and striking is upto scratch so hr stands at least half a chance. Im sure money isnt his motivation so hopefully he has shown something in training to suggest he can put up a decent fight
Reading @Ole'sbodyguard post there made me think of something.
People moan about the bunny for example, yet...MAE YOUNG GAVE BIRTH TO A FECKING HAND!!!
People moan about the bunny for example, yet...MAE YOUNG GAVE BIRTH TO A FECKING HAND!!!
WWE bill them all as bigger than they are anyway, and he looks in better shape now than he was at the end of his run. I wouldn't be shocked if he actually gained strength by training right and looking after himself. If he goes from skinny fat to lean I don't know how much his strength would really be effected.
I meant in the sense that they're going for name value here rather than anything else. There are probably hundreds of fighters who are more deserving of a chance in UFC, yet they're giving Punk it based on name value alone, in the hope he attacts casual viewers. That's incredibly sports entertainment in my opinion. In UFC and in boxing your name can mean a hell of a lot in terms of what opportunities you both are business hoping for PPV buys at the end of the day, as is WWE.
That's pretty much what I meant by ringers.
I'm wondering though, technique and striking, especially leg strikes.... Could they be an issue with his knees? And they practically jello from years of Pepsi Plunges?
My point was more to do with the demographics UFC and WWE are aimed at. UFC is a sport which uses long standing ways of promoting fights that I am used to as someone who has watched Boxing and Pro Wrestling for years and for me is aimed at fans of combat sports. WWE is more of an entertainment show that has decided in the last decade to target families and children more and who focus far more on the entertainment side of things than the sports aspect of pro wrestling. Hence Cena, the absolute ultimate good guy and good role model for kids being the top guy for ages and more focus on soap opera style angles than say the belts. That's why Brie Bella vs Stephanie Mcmahon was a bigger match at Summerslam than Paige vs AJ Lee over the belt.
There's no problem with that approach but it's a lot different to UFC.
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Maybe. Obviously his body has been through a lot but so have most UFC fighters. Im guessing the medical assessment to fight is probably pretty robust due to the dangers involved
I've never had a great deal of interest in MMA to be honest, i love wrestling as you all know and i also love the noble art of boxing, but MMA just never relly got me interested. However, i am all of a sudden stupidly interested in how CM Punk gets on, i wish him well.
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Everyone knows it's not noble without swords, like nobles would hurt their hands.noble
Figure of speech, honest.noble
I know what you mean. I have little interest in it but my interest has always piqued when the likes of Lesnar, Pudzianowski and now CM Punk are involved. Pretty sure its for the novelty value but still....
I mainly want to see how he handles himself, when the time comes though somebody will have to clue me up to how good his opponant is etc.
Never change Vince. Never change.
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Random observation. Was watching the Shield debut match just now whilst waiting for American Football to start, and the fat black guy famous for his facial expression after Taker's loss was there.
He's probably one of the regulars that follow them about, like the guy that does all the intro shite.
Ive seen him, the sign guy, the I hate Cena guy and the guy who wears a Suit and likes Cena almost always there.
Yeah the sign guys my favourite. You also have the fluorescent pink shirt guy. Front row of No Mercy 99, you see him once you'll never miss him again primarily because of the shirt and the fact you can follow any match in the reflection from his bald head .
The UFC are a business first and foremost, let's not forget that. They would be stupid not to use somebody like CM Punk to gain more interest, especially from a wrestling background. It worked well for them with Lesnar, and I am sure he is getting a lot of support especially from Chael Sonnen.
I have no doubt's the will probably pick him a complete loser in his first fight. Will still watch it though!.
I have no doubt's the will probably pick him a complete loser in his first fight. Will still watch it though!.
And here is the reason why it will be successful, almost no matter what outcome.
Edit: just for he record, I see no problem in that at all. They're there to make money.
It sounds like Punks first apponent could be the actor (turned UFC fighter) that played the green power ranger ffs!
He's never fought in the UFC, he's got 4 amateur wins by first round finish. Wiki also states he's had 1 professional fight too, also won in the first round. I believe he's practised martial arts for most of his life so he's hardly a slouch.
Business wise he'd be bringing in a bit of a cult following too. Former power ranger versus former pro wrestler
I heard this earlier. It would be quite embarrassing for the ufc if they made this fight
Green power ranger fights at light heavyweight which is above what CM Punk will fight at
Tbh, that was just Green using a bit of hubbub in the MMA community to get his name a bit more exposure. I highly doubt he expects to actually get a fight with Punk.
Don't know why you would think Rock, Austin or Taker would destroy Punk in a shoot. None of them are legit fighters so it's all speculation. There is a world of difference between pro wrestling and MMA.
At least Punk, like Del Rio and Batista have the guts to train and put themselves forward to fight MMA.
Technically, the Undertaker has higher ranking than Punk in legit fighting. BJJ Blackbelt(dodgy or not) over Brown or White for Punk. Of course he's old and crippled, so I doubt he'd be effective in a shoot.
He's also never had an MMA career. The other guys I put forward as examples all have, or are going to start, a career in MMA. I don't think you can judge someone who is not going to fight professionally. Even Batista who only had one fight in his 40's had a go.
The proof will come from the fights Punk takes but it's obvious he is taking this seriously as an actual career. He's talking about fighting into his 40's and has signed a multi fight deal with the UFC.
True enough.
I was drunk when I wrote that btw.