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Rolandofgilead said:
But if what he says is true, he spent that year working through injuries and being forced into shit programs. They should never have put HHH over him, they should never have had Nash text himself, they shouldn't have put him in with rybeck, the series of program's they put him in were horrendous, Jericho aside which was a very good feud. I think that after the infamous pipe bomb promo and him walking out the company with the title, they booked him terribly, but he still carried the company for a year, he totally deserved to main event mania.

I will go so far as to say this. Turning punk heel and having him drop the title to The Rock was a slap in the face to every wrestling fan in the world. Did the cena vs Rock rematch need the title?

Fast forward a year, punk still working through injuries, Batista and orton is being booked into the mania main event and punk is being shoe horned into another match with HHH, I'm not convinced I would have put up with it to be honest.

But here's a thought....

Is it conceivable that we're all being worked? Let's just say punk had a fair few injuries and wanted time off, isn't it weird that after he turned face and was fed to Brock that they didn't have storylines for him? It seems odd to me that on the road to wrestlemania Beyan had his run going and Batista was chasing ortons title, undertaker had wrestled punk the year before and punk seemingly had nothing? Then he sits at home for the best part of a year before actually saying anything about his departure.....just think about that, cm punk the voice of the voiceless waits 11months before opening his mouth and coincidently, when he does finally say something, vince returns to TV a few weeks before and The Authority have been removed from power.

Perhaps I'm thinking too much about it but it all adds up in my head. I'm thinking that we will see a punk return sooner rather then later, the rumble perhaps or the night after on raw. It just makes sense to me that he will be outspoken for the next few weeks and then return to be the saviour.

That's how I'd book it.
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Always said this was one of the biggest mistakes the WWE made in recent years. Rock/Cena II didn't need the title, it would have drew anyway and had a clear story to build upon, but imagine Punk on what would have been 504 days as champion up against Taker at 20-0...it's a licence to print money! The buildup would have been phenomenal and the outcome totally unpredictable. Such a waste of an opportunity.

As for the second part highlighted, you're off your tits.
 
Duffy said:
Always said this was one of the biggest mistakes the WWE made in recent years. Rock/Cena II didn't need the title, it would have drew anyway and had a clear story to build upon, but imagine Punk on what would have been 504 days as champion up against Taker at 20-0...it's a licence to print money! The buildup would have been phenomenal and the outcome totally unpredictable. Such a waste of an opportunity.

As for the second part highlighted, you're off your tits.
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You're probably right, I'm pretty drunk, I'm just saying it's a possibility.
 
Rolandofgilead said:
they should never have had Nash text himself
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I still cringe.

The super cynic in me has tried to convince myself that this is the most elaborate work of all time. The story I have in my head right now is that Punk conveniently has spoken for the first time a few days before Vince does a live podcast with Austin on Raw. Austin has been touted as a Wrestlemania opponent for Punk for years now. Maybe Austin mentions Punk on Monday....

Or maybe he asks Vince: "Mr. McMahon, the WWE Network seems to have the momentum of a runaway steam train. Why is it so popular?"

Yeah, probably that.
 
Shane88 said:
I still cringe.

The super cynic in me has tried to convince myself that this is the most elaborate work of all time. The story I have in my head right now is that Punk conveniently has spoken for the first time a few days before Vince does a live podcast with Austin on Raw. Austin has been touted as a Wrestlemania opponent for Punk for years now. Maybe Austin mentions Punk on Monday....

Or maybe he asks Vince: "Mr. McMahon, the WWE Network seems to have the momentum of a runaway steam train. Why is it so popular?"

Yeah, probably that.
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With Austin back in training too.

I mean I know he's said he isn't training for a return but he had to squash the rumours, didn't he?
 
Shane88 said:
I still cringe.

The super cynic in me has tried to convince myself that this is the most elaborate work of all time. The story I have in my head right now is that Punk conveniently has spoken for the first time a few days before Vince does a live podcast with Austin on Raw. Austin has been touted as a Wrestlemania opponent for Punk for years now. Maybe Austin mentions Punk on Monday....

Or maybe he asks Vince: "Mr. McMahon, the WWE Network seems to have the momentum of a runaway steam train. Why is it so popular?"

Yeah, probably that.
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Is there such a thing as a work any more? Everyone seems to be so in the know about everything that it's becoming harder to work people from WWE's perspective. The two I can think of in recent memory that really made my jaw drop that wasn't touted as a possibility before hand was obviously the streak ending and Cena coming back to win the rumble - and that was 7 years ago!
 
Rolandofgilead said:
But if what he says is true, he spent that year working through injuries and being forced into shit programs. They should never have put HHH over him, they should never have had Nash text himself, they shouldn't have put him in with rybeck, the series of program's they put him in were horrendous, Jericho aside which was a very good feud. I think that after the infamous pipe bomb promo and him walking out the company with the title, they booked him terribly, but he still carried the company for a year, he totally deserved to main event mania.
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Can't disagree with much there tbh, except I don't believe he "carried the company for a year", or deserved the main event of Mania. Thing is though, every wrestler goes through a metric fecktonne of bad booking, and they all work injured, neither of these thing are special to Punk. Except in Punks head.

Rolandofgilead said:
I will go so far as to say this. Turning punk heel and having him drop the title to The Rock was a slap in the face to every wrestling fan in the world. Did the cena vs Rock rematch need the title?
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I wouldn't call it a slap in the face to every wrestling fan in the world, no way. Certainly some of WWE's top shit booking though. Fecking awful decision to make the title a sideshow to Rock/Cena.

Rolandofgilead said:
Fast forward a year, punk still working through injuries, Batista and orton is being booked into the mania main event and punk is being shoe horned into another match with HHH, I'm not convinced I would have put up with it to be honest.
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I will say Batista/Orton in the main event deserved it even less than Punk, especially Batista who has little drawing power of his own too.

Rolandofgilead said:
Is it conceivable that we're all being worked? Let's just say punk had a fair few injuries and wanted time off, isn't it weird that after he turned face and was fed to Brock that they didn't have storylines for him? It seems odd to me that on the road to wrestlemania Beyan had his run going and Batista was chasing ortons title, undertaker had wrestled punk the year before and punk seemingly had nothing? Then he sits at home for the best part of a year before actually saying anything about his departure.....just think about that, cm punk the voice of the voiceless waits 11months before opening his mouth and coincidently, when he does finally say something, vince returns to TV a few weeks before and The Authority have been removed from power.

Perhaps I'm thinking too much about it but it all adds up in my head. I'm thinking that we will see a punk return sooner rather then later, the rumble perhaps or the night after on raw. It just makes sense to me that he will be outspoken for the next few weeks and then return to be the saviour.

That's how I'd book it.
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It'd make sense, I guess, and would explain why Punk is being so freely slanderous, unless he has a lot of proof of what he says. Not many that could pull that level of work off, but he could. If it is though, seems a lot of time and effort for what won't be that big of a payoff.
 
What I got from the CM Punk podcast was that he was banged up, WWE wasnt giving him the appropriate treatment and time to recover and he was pissed off with the creative direction they gave him. I totally get why he was burnt out and left, misdiagnosing injuries is just terrible and WWE needs to sort that out immediately. As a fan I wish they managed to resolve these issues when they came up but its hard to sympathize with WWE at the moment, expect raging CM Punk chants on the post WM Raw and whenever they go to Chicago.

On Ryback, hes just not a smart guy the proper thing for him to do would be to shut up. Its not you place to talk right now and with what he's said he kinda proved Punk right in a way. They guy is still green as hell and hes lucky that he fits into Vince/HHH's mold of what a WWE "superstar" should be in terms of look.
 
You don't ever truly know, but 1 thing for sure in my eyes is Punk will NEVER be over/fed up of wrestling. He clearly loves it, I think he would be happy to return to the Indy circuit if he really had fallen out with WWE.

It's obviously a bit of a wild swing/fantasy talk perhaps, but I do feel maybe he wanted a sabbatical to get married, rest his body and get his mind in the right frame. I think Vince would have been happy to let him go rest and do his thing, and when ready return and raise hell.

As people have already mentioned, the seeds for his return have been laid IMO. His reasoning for coming back is to headline Wrestlemania. IF the power struggle line between HHH and Vince works out, perhaps Vince could reach out and recruit him, offering him something he always dreamed of?. Quite a few possibilities they could make believable.

I do hope it's a work as I like Punk, but being honest he could find an arguement with himself more often than not.
 
I think after it's cooled down (2,3 years maybe) Punk will come back part-time, or at least for a one-off.
 
Not sure he would come back and wrestle but somewhere down the line in maybe 10/15 years I'm sure he will be in or around the hall of fame.
 
Lads....I've just spent 20 minutes imagining I interrupted john cena on raw and cut a promo saying that I was a young kid who had just signed for wcw in a backstage capacity and months later wwe crushed wcw, so I orchestrated the invasion, but it was botched by Shane McMahon, so I was left on the cold forgotten about.
So now I've got a present for cena, a present for the lifeblood of wwe, and with that he was attacked by three men who were obviously a stable of some sort and they left him battered in the ring while we all walked off back up the ramp.

I think I have some serious issues.
 
In fairness to Roland, I once spent about half an hour daydreaming, imagining cutting a promo on The Undertaker.
 
The podcast between Austin and Vince is interesting.

Vince is so uncomfortable answering questions from Austin who is using terms like heel/pop/get over etc.
 
They brushed over the Punk stuff.

Vince apologised that Punk received his termination papers on his Wedding day and said it was just a coincidence. He also said he would be open to working with him again.
 
The extremely eye opening moment when you realise Vince has not aged well.....And Austin looks the same as he did, 20 years ago, despite necking a six pack of beer on most days
 
"If there was someone like a JR who could have bridged the gap"

Like Paul Heyman perhaps, or possibly even that guy you fired, you know, JR
 
.Rossi said:
Vince has pretty much lost his mind.

Really can't get over how Austin has not changed or aged at all. The guy is a freak.
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feck me, he just said you dont need to see Lesnar every week because otherwise he wouldnt be a special attraction. But yet we get to see Cena 4 or 5 times per RAW ffs
 
The closer we get to Wrestlemania the more likely it is we will see Cena vs Brock III. Now don't get me wrong, that match is inevitable, as is Cena winning it, and dropping the title to Cena is probably the only real option right now that Brock can drop it to.

It does mean yet another Royal Rumble win for Cena though, and another main event of shit we've seen before. If only Bryan could make a shock return at the Rumble.

The other positive is that as soon as Cena wins it we will get the Rollins cash in, probably the next night on Raw.
 
.Rossi said:
He completely shat on the belt to by saying that.
Also, he decided to end the streak?!?!
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Erm, how?

And of course he did. He's the boss.

Woodzy said:
The closer we get to Wrestlemania the more likely it is we will see Cena vs Brock III. Now don't get me wrong, that match is inevitable, as is Cena winning it, and dropping the title to Cena is probably the only real option right now that Brock can drop it to.

It does mean yet another Royal Rumble win for Cena though, and another main event of shit we've seen before. If only Bryan could make a shock return at the Rumble.

The other positive is that as soon as Cena wins it we will get the Rollins cash in, probably the next night on Raw.
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There's a roughly 2.73% chance of that happening, and much smaller of Bryan being back for Mania, never mind for the Rumble.
 
phelans shorts said:
Erm, how?

And of course he did. He's the boss.



There's a roughly 2.73% chance of that happening, and much smaller of Bryan being back for Mania, never mind for the Rumble.
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What do you think will happen instead?

And I'm not saying Bryan will return at all. He's crocked.
 
Reigns will be beating Brock at WM. Cena will lose to Brock at the Rumble. Reigns will be crowned the new 'face' after beating Brock.
 
Shane88 said:
They brushed over the Punk stuff.

Vince apologised that Punk received his termination papers on his Wedding day and said it was just a coincidence. He also said he would be open to working with him again.
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WWE also seems to have pulled out the Beyond the Ring videos from the network. The Punk was a good watch, but can find it and others now. Only Batista is there. mmm...
 
The thing that annoyed me with Vince's interview was how he didn't understand Cesaro was on the way to being over. When he first broke from the Real American's and was using his giant swing the crowd loved it every time. He was really getting good reactions and then won that Andre the Giant trophy.

After that though they paired him with Heyman - fair enough that could work, but as soon as Brock came back they just dumped him with no real reason's and he went back to jobbing for others. They killed his momentum just when he was on a roll and he "doesn't know why, he just can't get over".

I can see what he means about the crowd connection, he doesn't quite have that swagger or cockiness but I am sure that will improve if given backing.

Austin is a great interviewer IMO. He was asking Vince questions I didn't expect, and I love that he called him out on a few things, especially asking about Cesaro and why the locker room basically suck :lol:
 
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