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I feel for the guy who takes over from Cena. That isn't because I think Cena is the greatest superstar of all time, its just how poor the overall roster is now.

When Cena took over he had Shawn Michaels, Triple H, Kurt Angle and Undertaker all working full time schedules. Hogan and Flair were around as well. Rey Mysterio was a top merch seller, divas division was in much better shape as well and both shows meant something.

Compare that to nowadays all the old legends have retired and the only veterans with real drawing power are Orton and Cena. Losing Edge, Batista and Punk hurt WWE as those three would have been perfect to feud with the younger generation of stars much like how Triple H and HBK did for Cena at back to back Wrestlemanias.
 
Podcast was solid, not one of the best wrestling related ones. Austin could of pushed FAR harder than he did, thus it's pretty obvious they'll be a part 2.

Austin on Macho in HoF "SO THAT'S A YES?" :lol:
 
paceme said:
That across as talking about the language barrier to me tbh.
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But what about Rusev then? Surely that language barrier should be an issue as well?Cesaro was getting over with Zeb, and they put him with Heyman who used the Cesaro airtime to put over Lesnar.

Vince was talking about grabbing brass rings etc, but unless you are their guy you havent got a chance. And because they know they havent got anywhere else to go everyone has to accept their position or be unemployed.... just how Vince wants it
 
Podcast was very good, Vince came across very well, can't help but like the man.

Zen said:
Podcast was solid, not one of the best wrestling related ones. Austin could of pushed FAR harder than he did, thus it's pretty obvious they'll be a part 2.

Austin on Macho in HoF "SO THAT'S A YES?" :lol:
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He should have followed that up with "And did Stephanie...say yes?"
 
Honestly I would have been fine with Raw being one hour and the podcast being three. I think it needed more time as there was soo much to cover in so little time. Austin did a fantastic job and it wasnt watered down as most thought it would be. Obviously the language was lol but that was to be expected.
 
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Part two of cm punk on the art of wrestling had gone live, anybody listened to it yet?
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Not as good as the first one.

Also, Batista is in the new Bond. That's pretty much it for him in wrestling then I reckon. Especially considering how pissed off he was with how badly he was booked. Shame really, he came across really well on Jericho's podcast
 
gormless said:
Not as good as the first one.

Also, Batista is in the new Bond. That's pretty much it for him in wrestling then I reckon. Especially considering how pissed off he was with how badly he was booked. Shame really, he came across really well on Jericho's podcast
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Wow, Guardians Of The Galaxy (and the sequels, no doubt) and now Bond.

He's doing well.
 
Been watching some WCW stuff on the Network. Watched World War 3 97, just before Starrcade 97...2 things of note.

Good Thing: About 10 mins into the WW3 battle royal (about 2:18 into the PPV for those with the network) Scott Steiner approaches Stevie Ray in the corner and starts commentating to himself about his own moves and you hear him go "He takes him...into the turnbuckle...WITH AUTHORITY!!!" its fecking hilarious! Well worth checking out if you can :lol:

Bad Thing: The match gets down to the final 3 - Hall, DDP and The Giant - with the winner facing the winner of Sting vs Hogan the following February. The 60th entrant Kevin Nash has yet to enter the match, his music hits and who comes out but Hogan. The Champion, trying to win a title shot against himself?!?! The commentators sound just as confused "Hogan! If he wins, then he beats Sting, he won't have to defend the title for a month! That's the NWO's plan!" To top it off the crowd are baying for a Sting appearance. Instead Nash appears dressed as Sting...except he is a good 5 inches taller and blonde, so the crowd don't even react...No wonder they went out of business. Its worth watching just for how god awful it is.

EDIT: And how bad was the ending to Starrcade? They build Sting up for 18 months to have Hogan beat him fairly, but because the bell doesn't ring they just carry on and Bret Hart does what he likes? Christ if WWE were pulling some of this shit nowadays there would be uproar.
 
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Been watching some WCW stuff on the Network. Watched World War 3 97, just before Starrcade 97...2 things of note.

Good Thing: About 10 mins into the WW3 battle royal (about 2:18 into the PPV for those with the network) Scott Steiner approaches Stevie Ray in the corner and starts commentating to himself about his own moves and you hear him go "He takes him...into the turnbuckle...WITH AUTHORITY!!!" its fecking hilarious! Well worth checking out if you can :lol:

Bad Thing: The match gets down to the final 3 - Hall, DDP and The Giant - with the winner facing the winner of Sting vs Hogan the following February. The 60th entrant Kevin Nash has yet to enter the match, his music hits and who comes out but Hogan. The Champion, trying to win a title shot against himself?!?! The commentators sound just as confused "Hogan! If he wins, then he beats Sting, he won't have to defend the title for a month! That's the NWO's plan!" To top it off the crowd are baying for a Sting appearance. Instead Nash appears dressed as Sting...except he is a good 5 inches taller and blonde, so the crowd don't even react...No wonder they went out of business. Its worth watching just for how god awful it is.

EDIT: And how bad was the ending to Starrcade? They build Sting up for 18 months to have Hogan beat him fairly, but because the bell doesn't ring they just carry on and Bret Hart does what he likes? Christ if WWE were pulling some of this shit nowadays there would be uproar.
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Starrcade's main event was handled awfully. The plan was for Sting to win no matter what, Hogan didn't want to put someone as rubbish as Sting over clean so wanted to have a win to fall back on. This is when shit starts getting good.

As I'm sure you are aware the show was a month or two after the Survivor Series in Montreal. Bischoff decided he wanted a piece of that pie and that they would do a screwjob but with the newly signed Bret putting a stop to it yada yada. The original ref Nick Patrick was supposed to fast count, which he most definitely didn't do in any sense. The reason isn't certain, but it seems like his mate Hogan asked him for a favour.

What you actually get there is the perfect clusterfeck example of WCW. Unless you count the Bash at the Beach 2000 entire show.
 
Wcw was still the better product For a good bit of the MNW's and the start of the NWO was good TV. But they were only better because wwf was so bad at the time.
 
I remember it but some bits are a bit hazy.
Sting vs Hogan had one of the best builds ive ever seen. I was so so excited for that match. It should have been Sting coming out, destroying Hogan and ending the nWo or starting the downfall with it crumbling away until it died when he beat Hogan in the rematch. Seriously, the build was beautiful.

The match was so confusing at the time when it happened. I remember the normal count on Sting and thinking "thats it? really?". When Bret came out and said "its not gonna happen again" i was thinking, wait, he wasnt screwed though why are they restarting the match. I remember then reading about the match again from wrestlecrap / death of wcw and it all made sense. What a clusterfeck.
 
Came across really well. Could have easily ranted to get his point across, but he handled the situation as best as possible.
 
Just looked up his real name. He will have to go as the name Philip brooks. That might be an issue in attracting new fans of mma
 
I think he owns the name CM Punk. He used it before WWE. He can be Phil "CM Punk" Brooks.

Funny thing is his, his stock in WWE will rise tenfold if hes successful in MMA as opposed to anything he would do in WWE. Funny and sad.
 
Difference, one he bumps nearly every night, the other is just normal training for a fight which lasts 15 minutes max. Plus he wont have to work hurt / concussed.
 
He always bangs on about training BJJ with the Gracie's. We'll see how that training translates to actual fights. I can't see him being anywhere near top quality but I can see him doing fairly well.
 
Well CM Punk signing with UFC has definitely got me interested in MMA again! Dana White said prior to the announcement that Punk wont be getting any special treatment that he would have to start just like anyone else in UFC. In any case i'll be sure to follow his UFC career, dont think he'll do as well as Lesnar but I still want to watch him in the octagon.
 
Not sure what to make of this. Didn't he moan about getting a kick of Ryback and claiming it took years off him?
I don't see this ending well....

Plus, some of the wrestlers he fought, like Taker and Rock would destroy him in a shoot....He always wanted a match with Austin and he would have destroyed Punk in a shoot.....These guys in UFC will shit on Punk, and then some!

I dunno....It's weird
 
.Rossi said:
Not sure what to make of this. Didn't he moan about getting a kick of Ryback and claiming it took years off him?
I don't see this ending well....

Plus, some of the wrestlers he fought, like Taker and Rock would destroy him in a shoot....He always wanted a match with Austin and he would have destroyed Punk in a shoot.....These guys in UFC will shit on Punk, and then some!

I dunno....It's weird
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Surely you can see the difference between Ryback kicking and breaking his ribs in an environment where the performers have to look out for each other compared to what amounts to a regulated fight?

I can see why you mention Taker, given his biker background and love of MMA but what on earth makes you think people like Rock and Austin, with no (as far as I know, happy to be corrected) actual 'fighting' training could take on Punk who has for years trained hard in BJJ with the Gracie family?

In terms of actual martial art training (by the Gracie's no less) he's above and beyond most people the WWE has ever employed.
 
Welsh Wonder said:
Surely you can see the difference between Ryback kicking and breaking his ribs in an environment where the performers have to look out for each other compared to what amounts to a regulated fight?
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People like to moan. He was also facing Ryback 5 nights a bleeding week, I'm not saying what he said about Ryback was true but the comparison is ridiculous, that's before you get to the weight difference between Punk and Ryback.

I can see why you mention Taker, given his biker background and love of MMA but what on earth makes you think people like Rock and Austin, with no (as far as I know, happy to be corrected) actual 'fighting' training could take on Punk who has for years trained hard in BJJ with the Gracie family?

In terms of actual martial art training (by the Gracie's no less) he's above and beyond most people the WWE has ever employed.
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They both played a bit of American football, that's it. People like to complain about Vince's big guy thing and then go on to assume bigger guy = wins the fight. Just an amusing tidbit.

Punk is certainly capable of taking on (and beating in a shoot) plenty of guys much bigger than him in the wrestling world, purely because of his Muay Thai, his BJJ etc…
 
phelans shorts said:
People like to moan. He was also facing Ryback 5 nights a bleeding week, I'm not saying what he said about Ryback was true but the comparison is ridiculous, that's before you get to the weight difference between Punk and Ryback.



They both played a bit of American football, that's it. People like to complain about Vince's big guy thing and then go on to assume bigger guy = wins the fight. Just an amusing tidbit.

Punk is certainly capable of taking on (and beating in a shoot) plenty of guys much bigger than him in the wrestling world, purely because of his Muay Thai, his BJJ etc…
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Bang on.
 
Welsh Wonder said:
In terms of actual martial art training (by the Gracie's no less) he's above and beyond most people the WWE has ever employed.
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Couldn't say about the history of WWE, but in current/recent stars. Lesnar obvs, both in amateur wrestling and a UFC champion, Ziggler(and Swagger, IIRC) have excellent histories in amateur wrestling, Santino was both a judo champion, and has a winning record in MMA, Daniel Bryan has MMA training too, though less than Punk, I believe, Undertaker has a blackbelt in Brazillian Jiu Jitsu, but that's controversial, and he got it at an older age. There's ADR too, but tbh he was a bit crap at MMA.

The only ones from the past I can think of offhand, to be honest are Steve Blackman(eskrima and tae kyon do), Dan Severn, Marc Mero, Steve Williams and of course Ken Shamrock.
 
Earthquake said:
Couldn't say about the history of WWE, but in current/recent stars. Lesnar obvs, both in amateur wrestling and a UFC champion, Ziggler(and Swagger, IIRC) have excellent histories in amateur wrestling, Santino was both a judo champion, and has a winning record in MMA, Daniel Bryan has MMA training too, though less than Punk, I believe, Undertaker has a blackbelt in Brazillian Jiu Jitsu, but that's controversial, and he got it at an older age. There's ADR too, but tbh he was a bit crap at MMA.

The only ones from the past I can think of offhand, to be honest are Steve Blackman(eskrima and tae kyon do), Dan Severn, Marc Mero, Steve Williams and of course Ken Shamrock.
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Worth mentioning Olympic wrestler Chad Gable even if he's yet to make tv. Should probably throw Hideo Itami's kickboxing in there too. I'm sure there's more with those kinds of backgrounds but my minds drawing a blank.
 
phelans shorts said:
Worth mentioning Olympic wrestler Chad Gable even if he's yet to make tv. Should probably throw Hideo Itami's kickboxing in there too. I'm sure there's more with those kinds of backgrounds but my minds drawing a blank.
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To be honest, I'd not heard of Chad Gable, and had no knowledge of Hideo Itami's kickboxing history.

Tim Wiese should count for this alone. :lol:
 
Earthquake said:
To be honest, I'd not heard of Chad Gable, and had no knowledge of Hideo Itami's kickboxing history.
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Most Japanese wrestlers have some form of shoot background. Yoshitatsu has boxing and ju-jitsu for instance (came in useful that time he battered Sheamus).

Chad is a name that everyone will hear a lot about in the next year or so.
 
I have my doubts about how good any beaten up 36 year old could do trying to start an MMA career, let alone starting out in the UFC.

Good luck to Punk though, hope I'm wrong and he does really well. I'll definitely be watching, which is exactly what Dana White and the UFC are counting on.
 
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