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Gorefest said:
That could be, we normally don't watch things live. Sunday is the worst day for ppv, some of us still have a day job.
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I have a day job too, what the feck has that got to do with anything? Why put that in there? Was it just so that you could feel superior in some way? Or are you genuinely an arrogant piece of shit?

Speaking of arrogant pieces of shit, Punk is on Art Of Wrestling today. 2 hour special, sure to talk about leaving the WWE.
 
phelans shorts said:
I have a day job too, what the feck has that got to do with anything? Why put that in there? Was it just so that you could feel superior in some way? Or are you genuinely an arrogant piece of shit?

Speaking of arrogant pieces of shit, Punk is on Art Of Wrestling today. 2 hour special, sure to talk about leaving the WWE.
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I remember when I was a fan, and I also stupidly stayed up to watch the PPV's

I nearly always regretted it the next morning. I dont think I could do it these days

But he did say "day job" in fairness meaning he could have assumed you were a barman or soemthing
 
So it seems Punk had some genuine reasons for walking out and some of it doesn't reflect too well on the WWE's wellness testing.
 
CM Punk spills it all out on the podcast with Colt Cabana. WWE sent him his termination papers on his fecking wedding day how low is that!
 
Zarlak said:
What happened? I can't listen to it at work. Someone write it up in detail. Some of us have day jobs.
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Here are some of the bigger points he hits on, and this is written in order. I'm currently listening and will update as I go along. Still, I strongly encourage you go download the episode yourself:

  • He says that while people have remarked time and again that he couldn't change anything while sitting on his couch in Chicago he disagrees because it almost took him doing exactly that for meaningful change to occur. He indicates that while they may have done some things to spite him, he's really happy that certain things happened the way they did. He doesn't outright say that the Daniel Bryan run through WrestleMania 30 was because he left but he definitely hints at as much.
  • "It's okay to be bitter about some things. That's how you work through stuff."
  • He remarks that he's the happiest he's been in a really long time. "I'm the fecking happiest I've been in I don't know how long, at least three years, legitimately. I find these other things that have made me happy and I thought this thing that I loved, that I thought I loved, it just made me so miserable. All the time, it made me miserable. I guess the black and the white of it, when you boil it all down, the essence of it, was I was miserable, I was unhappy, feck it! I made myself happy. I left. That's what it boils down to. It wasn't an easy decision to make but it was also a long time coming."
  • He said there are many assumptions, like he was disgruntled with his creative direction, he was injured, he was mad about working with Triple H. "There's an element of truth in all those things but I can't say there was one big thing that led to my decision." He does say that the biggest was his health.
  • He despises the term "pipe bomb" now because everyone refers to promos as that now.
  • People were calling him about sponsor money after the pipe bomb and he pitched it to Vince McMahon, who wouldn't sign off on it. Then Brock Lesnar came in and was allowed to have sponsors on his wrestling gear.
  • The story behind the pitch to WWE on walking out with Chael Sonnen at a UFC show and how it would have been good business. Vince told him someone might die in a fight and there's no way they could let him go. Vince was also apparently appalled at the idea of women fighting in the UFC.
  • He says the environment is "creatively toxic" and gives examples of issues like pitching something to Vince, being told "no," and seeing John Cena doing that exact thing a week later.
  • For the fans who are cool fans of his and who would like to hear an explanation, he is giving it to them right now. For those who were demanding it and calling him a quitter, those people can go to hell. For that matter, just because you bought a t-shirt doesn't entitle you to anything and you didn't make him and WWE didn't make him. "WWE was a fecking pit stop." He said he's not defined by his job, and no one should be.
  • "That place should be the happiest place to work and they use that as some bizarre mindfeck. 'Go out there and have fun!' It's like 'feck you, this place sucks, and on top of that, you're not fecking paying me nearly enough to do this shit."
  • He brings up the WWE Network coming out and how he spent months asking questions and wasn't told anything.
  • He rails on WWE for how they treat wrestlers as far as concussion protocol goes, revealing that he was working through concussions (he got one in the Royal Rumble too, and the testing for it was a joke) and a knee injury and messed up ribs. He was still in a mindset of doing what was best for "the boys" so he gutted out a lot of situations he definitely shouldn't have.
  • When The Rock came back, he said he wanted to work babyface against a strong heel so Punk was given the choice to either turn heel or drop the WWE title to Daniel Bryan. He was told that if he turned heel and did the job, he would be owed one. So he made the sacrifice, one he admits wasn't that big of a sacrifice. He does say he tried to politic his way into the main event of WrestleMania, making Rock vs. Cena into a three-way before they booked him against Undertaker.
  • Punk talks about WWE plans to get him a heater after WrestleMania and he reveals The Shield was his idea, believe it or not. They wanted a heel stable that would have included Punk, Big Show, Daniel Bryan, and Seth Rollins. So he pitched that they pick three guys from developmental to create the stable. They asked who he wanted and he said "Rollins, Dean Ambrose, and Chris Hero." Triple H vetoed Hero and they put Roman Reigns in that spot instead. The idea was to put The Shield with Punk but plans changed.
  • He says the Ryback program took years off his life because of how green he is. He also calls Ryback "steroid guy" because "I call it like I see it" and reveals that Ryback kicked him in the stomach so hard during a match it broke his ribs and he never got an apology or call about it.
  • "I wrestled that match with Undertaker at WrestleMania with the biggest fecking chip on my shoulder because I knew it was going to be better than Brock Lesnar vs. Triple H and The Rock vs. John Cena." They admitted that he should have went on last and he got "so fecking mad" before demanding that they should pay him like he went on last and they didn't.
  • He harps on wrestlers not taking a stand against the machine, going along with stories that don't make any sense for anyone. He said the only people who say anything are Cena and maybe Randy Orton.
  • His response to being told they wanted him to do the job to Brock Lesnar was to wonder who was coming to work the next day and, of course, being told that he would but Brock wouldn't and there wouldn't be a rematch at the next show. So he found a way to get excited about doing what they asked, working with Chris Jericho at Payback and Lesnar at SummerSlam, thinking it would help his case for the main event of WrestleMania the next year.
  • He takes a shot at Triple H not putting over Curtis Axel the way he had originally said he was going to, and wanting to work with him to help elevate him. Instead, they booked him with Ryback again and once again, Ryback injured him with a guerrilla press spot where he missed the table. That's one of the things he's bitter about.
  • Confirmed: He shit his pants during SmackDown late last year and tells the story of tweeting it and being told he couldn't tweet that and had to take it down. Many realized and reported on Punk unfollowing the WWE Twitter account not long after. It turns out he blocked them.
  • He complained about the pay he received from his WrestleMania match with Undertaker on the basis that he had the best match on the card and he should have been paid equal to everyone else on the card. When he found out that wasn't the case, he was outraged by it because "no one else on that card could have laced my boots that night". When Cabana brings up Rock being a huge movie star and that bringing in more fans, Punk says he doesn't care and WrestleMania is what draws at this point and no one can tell him different.
  • The treatment he received for a large mass on his back was laughable, with the doctor not doing much of anything about it as it grew more and more.
 
  • He went into the Royal Rumble knowing that the plan for WrestleMania was for Batista vs. Randy Orton for the title to main event and his plan was to work so hard during the match that he would change their minds.
  • There's a great story of Punk telling Rusev backstage before the Rumble match that no one gives a shit about him and he needs to forget that Punk is supposedly a big star and get in there and really make an impression.
  • When he was told during the match that he would be eliminated by Kane, he initially responded with the idea that he would quit if Kane even touched him because his wrestler's mentality kicked in and he wanted to finish the match.
  • During the drive to Cleveland for Raw the next night, he was miserable and looked over at his future wife, AJ Lee, who he says he knew he was going to marry and just hadn't said anything yet, and had an epiphany wondering what he was doing with his life.
  • At Raw the night he quit, he went in and was told he was going to have to take a drug -- he calls it a "piss test" -- test and considering the new policies they put in place so wrestlers who had failed previous tests could get strikes taken off their record, he was livid that he, of all people, would have to take a piss test. He demanded to be taken care of for his various health issues and they wanted him to sign a bunch of papers and take the piss test. That's when he decided he was done.
  • He reveals he called a meeting with Vince McMahon and Triple H initially said he would leave but Punk told him to stay. "I do not love this anymore, I'm fecking sick, I'm fecking hurt, I'm fecking confused, I don't know as a business what we're doing anymore, I... every day you tell me this is a team effort but every day it's a fecking individual effort by me to find what's necessary to even fecking come here. It's not fun. I have zero fecking passion for this. I'm fecking concussed, I'm fecking hurt, and alls (sic) you care about is what segment I am and how soon I can fecking get my gear on and when I can pea in this fecking cup. And I don't want to do it anymore."
  • He said he talked openly about bringing back Batista as a babyface being a horrible idea.
  • When Triple H told him that Batista took the same piss test they were asking Punk to take, Punk asked "did you" and got no response. "Look, I thought when I re-signed three years ago, Vince, I told you if I couldn't be all that I could be you should fecking fire me, that if I was a fraud and I was anything less and fell short of the fecking mark... I sold more shirts than John Cena until I turned heel for you, and you said you owed me one.. I worked guys that were fecking dangerous and you said you owed me one. I did all these fecking things and all I wanted was the main event of WrestleMania and it's fine if you don't think that is me and that I'm that caliber of a fecking superstar but then you need to fecking fire me because I do not want to be here and I do not want to be anything less. I will go somewhere else and I will get more fecking over because I know I can. You have shackled me, you have creatively stifled me, you have made this a very toxic environment, I no longer want to be here."
  • "It boggles my mind how Daniel Bryan has not figured into your plans to be in the main event of WrestleMania because this is his fecking year. Just like two years ago it was my fecking year and I was white fecking hot just like he is now and what did you do? You fed me to this guy." He said Vince responded to all this by saying it was just the concussion talking and that working with Triple H was like working in the main event. Punk says he turned to Triple H and said "All due respect, I do not need to wrestle you, you need to wrestle me. I do not want to wrestle you. I seriously resent you for not putting me over three years ago when you should have. That would have been best for business but you had to fecking come in and squash it. And then I had to lose to fecking Truth and Miz. It didn't make any business sense then, it doesn't make any business sense now, and I am in a position now where I can tell you that I don't have to nor do I want to wrestle you at WrestleMania. I don't care if I was supposed to win."
  • Punk reveals he was scheduled to beat Triple H at WrestleMania and he didn't care. "I didn't want to give him the fecking privilege. He says Triple H never liked him and while you hear stories on the dirt sheets about various things, whenever he was in a room with Triple H there were never good vibes. "The way he would always look sideways at me, the way he always treated me." He says he thinks Triple H believes he's a "piece of shit."
  • Triple H told Punk that he had the best match at WrestleMania 29 against Undertaker and that it was the main event. Punk said they can push that way of looking at it to the fans, but the main event is the match that goes on last and that's all there is to it.
  • He says the Batista vs. Randy Orton main event plan was from an old, out of touch mind and he was really, really stoked when they made the change and put Daniel Bryan in the match and gave him his moment.
  • When Triple H again pushed that Punk was in the main event at WrestleMania 29, Punk asked if he made the same money as those who went on after him. Again, Triple H responded with silence.
  • He said Vince had tears in his eyes and gave Punk a hug, one Punk reciprocated, albeit reluctantly. Then he turned to Triple H, who had extended his hand, shook it, and said "good bye" before walking out.
  • He brings up people saying "oh my god, he walked out on his contract" and clarifies that he's an independent contractor and he could have walked out whenever he wanted to. Plus, he didn't do it in the middle of a program and he didn't hold them up. There wasn't anything advertised for him coming up. He walked when there was nothing for him.
  • Vince called him a week after he walked out and asked if he was ready to come back to work. He told Vince "no" at that time.
  • His wife, AJ, convinced him to go to a doctor in Tampa Bay and he looked at the mass in his back. He was immediately told that he had a staph infection. He was told he needed to go to a hospital and get on an antibiotic IV drip. He wondered what they would do with less time and they cut it out, and gave him antibiotics, an experience he describes as the most painful thing he's gone through in his life. He was given three months of antibiotics and told that after working with a staph infection for three months, he could have died.
  • After catching up on sleep and feeling a lot better, he got a call from Vince saying he was suspended for two months. After thinking of the timeframe, he thinks that his suspension will come up just after WrestleMania and okay, whatever. But then it came up and he didn't hear anything. He heard from an investor call that Vince told investors he was "on a sabbatical". It was then that he realizes he hadn't received a royalty check.
  • He tells the story of finding a royalty check from WWE and calling about what he should do about it. He also asked about the royalty check he had yet to receive and is told that said check was at the desk of a lawyer. He attempted to contact said lawyer and found no success. He says he got a bunch of butt dials from various people and how he called about the royalty checks. He was given the runaround from literally everyone.
  • He put the royalty check issue on the backburner because he was getting married and the Blackhawks were in the playoffs and he had a lot going on in his personal life at the time, like planning his honeymoon. Triple H texted him on June 11 asking if he had time to talk. He was upset about this, and said he had a honeymoon he was about to go to after getting married in two days. He asked for his royalties and promised to talk after his honeymoon.
  • Punk then reveals that he was fired by WWE on his wedding day and that he believes it was a calculated move. He explains that he got a FedEx and the letter was ridiculous, saying he was in breach of contract on Jan. 27 and he was forfeiting his royalties and there was a no compete clause for UFC in it.
  • He said he called a lawyer before going on his honeymoon, gave him his story, and the lawyer said "great, let's get these motherfeckers." He said he can't talk about the terms of the settlement but does reveal he "got everything I wanted, and then some."
  • WWE tried to get him to sign a non-disparagement agreement and he said that he wasn't the one who was talking, they were the ones who went out in Chicago and called him a quitter on television. He said he would only consider signing the agreement if they went to Chicago and apologized while admitting they lied, that he didn't quit, and that they fired him on his wedding day.
  • He says WWE was worried that he was going to go to TNA and his lawyer told them he isn't interested in that and he despises professional wrestling now. He also said there won't ever be a working relationship with WWE ever again.
  • He said he's happy training and being married and writing comics and just living his life now.
  • He says he failed at his goal of wrestling in the main event of WrestleMania but he's come to terms with it.
 
phelans shorts said:
Was it just so that you could feel superior in some way? Or are you genuinely an arrogant piece of shit?
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No, I was being sarcy towards WWE as I think Sunday is a really crap day to have a ppv, as most people need to work the next day. If they'd stiick it on the Saturday night, they would tailor it better for the international crowd. Not really sure why you took that one personally, wasn't meant as such. Sorry if I offended.
 
It'll be interesting to see how WWE react to this. Surely they will respond in some way?

It does seem to be a 'people you know' business though. Triple H's buddies and Vince's love for 'big guys' will always prevail. The only other way a genuinely talented guy will get to the top is through the fans, much like with Bryan. On the other side of things, Punk did get a fairly good run. It's just the fact his time was far from done yet.

Triple H is actually a very nice guy though, i've met a him a few times. Although I guess there's a huge difference in a personality when it comes to business.
 
The WWE come off very very badly from this. Glad he's happy with his life now though. So many wrestlers just seem to reel from disaster to disaster when they finish competing.
 
He'll be back. If Bret came back, Punk can too.

Although I'm not a huge fan of his, Punk is a smart guy. Give it a few years and he can come back on a limited schedule, like Rock/Brock, for a lot of money.
 
The one thing that alarms me from that article is that people don't know the difference between "check" and "cheque".

Glad Punk got out when he did. Sorely missed at times. Had some phenomenal matches at his peak.
 
Duffy said:
The one thing that alarms me from that article is that people don't know the difference between "check" and "cheque".

Glad Punk got out when he did. Sorely missed at times. Had some phenomenal matches at his peak.
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Alarming that you don't know the American way of spelling Cheque is check ;)
 
Judging from Punk's interview, it seems that they've learned nothing from Benoit's death.

Extremely shocking.
 
Punk's podcast was interesting, especially what he had to say about Ryback and HHH.

I totally disagree with him on him being worth the same as Rock, Taker, etc for Mania 29. There's a reason Mania popped a million buys for the first time since Mania 24(when Mayweather was on the show) three times in a row with the Rock hosting 27 and main eventing 28 and 29 and it's not because of Wrestlemania being a big brand.
 
Ole'sbodyguard said:
Punk's podcast was interesting, especially what he had to say about Ryback and HHH.

I totally disagree with him on him being worth the same as Rock, Taker, etc for Mania 29. There's a reason Mania popped a million buys for the first time since Mania 24(when Mayweather was on the show) three times in a row with the Rock hosting 27 and main eventing 28 and 29 and it's not because of Wrestlemania being a big brand.
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:lol: He really does overrate himself. I guess in that business you have to, though.
 
Surely that confirms that WWE did indeed feck up the build to last year's Wrestlemania by being a bunch of fumbling idiots...It was obvious anyway, but people seemed so determined to claim this isn't what happened, and that it all went as planned.

Punk comes across so defensive and bitter, it's hard to read too much into it, but the stuff about him being terminated, his health etc...there'd be a lawsuit coming if he didn't have papers to back all that up.
 
Randall Flagg said:
Like I said before it's like reading Weaste posting about sony
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If you genuinely believe that then I pity you.

Fact is I trust medical professionals over some guy who has shown himself on thousands of occasions as being a nob.

There are many problems in WWE, and if there is substance to what Punk says then I'm sure someone with more gravitas will speak up. If Daniel Bryan for instance was to say it, it would carry a hell of a lot more weight.
 
I'm a Punk fan so I'm biased, but I believe most of what he said. Can understand why others wouldn't. Think Vince still has a massive soft-spot for him, despite treating him like shit and taking him for granted (if what Punk describes is true).
 
Kazi said:
I'm a Punk fan so I'm biased, but I believe most of what he said. Can understand why others wouldn't. Think Vince still has a massive soft-spot for him, despite treating him like shit and taking him for granted (if what Punk describes is true).
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Sounds to me more like HHH treating him like shit and Vince is pretty oblivious, or at least was up until a point.
 
Trips has been treating people like shit for many years, it's nothing new

Does anyone think there is any truth in the rumours that Lesner might be returning to the UFC? They need him IMO for his star power. And from what I have read he hasn't been very good since returning to wrestling
 
Woodzy said:
Triple H is actually a very nice guy though, i've met a him a few times. Although I guess there's a huge difference in a personality when it comes to business.
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Just because you've met him doesn't mean you know him in the slightest. Of course he's going to play nice with fans.

It's quite clear HHH feels threatened by smart wrestling minds though, since he barely gave Jericho a rub either, who Punk modelled himself after a lot. Jericho doesn't "care" as much as Punk does though, so gets on with that endless burial.
 
Earthquake said:
Sounds to me more like HHH treating him like shit and Vince is pretty oblivious, or at least was up until a point.
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Maybe, but Vince still took him for granted. Throwing him in there while he was hurt and saying he'd 'owe him one'. Trips seems quite smart and sly when going about shitting on people he doesn't like. I guess he needs to be more sly with the position he's in now.
 
Zen said:
Just because you've met him doesn't mean you know him in the slightest. Of course he's going to play nice with fans.

It's quite clear HHH feels threatened by smart wrestling minds though, since he barely gave Jericho a rub either, who Punk modelled himself after a lot. Jericho doesn't "care" as much as Punk does though, so gets on with that endless burial.
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It's funny, because in Jericho's book, he mentioned having a payment dispute with the WWE, after an event in which he fought HHH and got a lot less than him. Difference is, Vince quickly sent him another cheque.
 
Earthquake said:
Naw, no way Lesnar goes back to UFC, don't think he could hack it any more.
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I dunno, a rematch with Overeem I reckon would be massive and a big payday for both. He might just be trying to get a pay rise from wwe but according to mma people he has been making noises on a return
 
Randall Flagg said:
Trips has been treating people like shit for many years, it's nothing new

Does anyone think there is any truth in the rumours that Lesner might be returning to the UFC? They need him IMO for his star power. And from what I have read he hasn't been very good since returning to wrestling
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Lesnar's been great, when he gets paid to turn up. I don't blame him at all for getting what he can, but it means he's not used anywhere near as much as people want to see him.
 
Zen said:
Just because you've met him doesn't mean you know him in the slightest. Of course he's going to play nice with fans.

It's quite clear HHH feels threatened by smart wrestling minds though, since he barely gave Jericho a rub either, who Punk modelled himself after a lot. Jericho doesn't "care" as much as Punk does though, so gets on with that endless burial.
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I've actually met him through a close friend of his, that I also know (well, his son), so I do actually know him slightly better than your average fan, but obviously not enough to make a judgement on his personality. I still don't think he's necessarily a bad guy though.
 
Cm Punks podcast was interesting. The main thing is, most of what he said, isnt just really a one person account. Its pretty much confirming what others who have left have said about similar scenarios.

I do see his point regarding the payment with regards to WM and his bitterness towards it. I think almost anybody in his shoes would / should feel the same.

The way he was white hot a few years ago and it somehow turned into a Nash vs HHH feud sums up whats wrong wrestling and their ability to make stars. Daniel Bryan was a happy accident which almost didnt happen anyway.
 
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