This is my team 15/16

[Walters_19_MuFc]

God, I hope some of these formations are simply piss-takes.

What would yours be?

 

[bucky]

To answer your question in regards to Fellaini being good enough for our starting XI, yes, why not? He's been arguably one of our best players this season when being played, in my opinion. I guess this is where the squad get used, though. I might not always start Fellaini in some games, but I might do the same with Herrera, Mata, Van Persie, etc. I think nowadays, it's more about the squad, rather than a set XI. Sometimes they'll be games when Van Gaal may think Fellaini's the right man and games he thinks he isn't. For example, Mourinho putting in Zouma for Fabregas to nullify Fellaini. Or Sir Alex putting Welbz in for Rooney to do a job on Alonso.

As for Fellaini playing for a team that is hopefully good enough getting 4th, I don't buy that. Who's to say we wouldn't be a lot closer to the top if we started with the current system. Recent form suggests we would. I mean, we smashed Spurs, City and Liverpool, where Fellaini was arguably our best player in all of them, and on another day we could have beaten Chelsea. I just think it's hard for someone people to accept that Fellaini has been playing very well, and because he hasn't got the right look, it automatically means he's not a 'United player' or 'shouldn't be in our starting XI'.

I like Fellaini, the passion he brings, his professionalism and how he protects our players on the pitch, like he did with Januzaj. Does that mean I have to like the type of footballer he is? Certainly not. Obviously I have my preferences of what players I'd like to see or not see for United, but mostly I'm pragmatic about it and want them to be the best possible. Fellaini wasn't our best player in those games, he was one of the best players against Spurs, City and Liverpool.

God, I hope some of these formations are simply piss-takes.

Name and shame. Do your own.

 

[Devil may care]

Neither of them were great against Everton in their proper positions, or positions they've excelled in of late.

Rooney is routinely bad against Everton in truth but that day we had Blind at the base which is a big drop in quality from Carrick and had a domino affect on our tempo through the team..

He isn't a CM by trait. Up until Pep went, he always played at full back, so I think it's safe to say he's spent a lot more time at full back than a centre mid.

He's a CM full time now though, not a last resort, which is the difference in the comparison with Rooney and Mata.

Rooney's not always great as a AM, but Mata? He won player of the season twice for Chelsea playing there. With the right players around him, he will produce the goods. That said, I wouldn't always play him there.

One of those seasons saw Chelsea finish 5th, and if you play him there it needs to be a 4-2-3-1 with a strong base, unless we bring in a proper DM, not a passer but a destroyer to play with the passer, Mata is too much of a liability there.

Don't see how it wouldn't be better off when we'd have added a midfielder.

If Gundogan can replicate Carrick-esque performances at the 6 position, then I don't see why we couldn't replicate the performances we saw with a midfield of Carrick-Herrera-Fellaini against the top teams recently.

Four performances that were easily shut down by the next 3 teams that played us. Playing with Blind or Fellaini as starters for any length of time would scupper any PL title challenge IMO.

 

[Walters_19_MuFc]

Rooney is routinely bad against Everton in truth but that day we had Blind at the base which is a big drop in quality from Carrick and had a domino affect on our tempo through the team..

I agree, which is why Gundogan, who can play as an 8/6 would make a lot of sense. If not him, someone similar.

He's a CM full time now though, not a last resort, which is the difference in the comparison with Rooney and Mata.

Neither are Rooney and Mata.

One of those seasons saw Chelsea finish 5th, and if you play him there it needs to be a 4-2-3-1 with a strong base, unless we bring in a proper DM, not a passer but a destroyer to play with the passer, Mata is too much of a liability there.

You missed out the part where they won the CL.

Four performances that were easily shut down by the next 3 teams that played us. Playing with Blind or Fellaini as starters for any length of time would scupper any PL title challenge IMO.

As was everyone else.

Fair enough. I disagree.

 

[izec]

---------------Rooney--------------
-Depay-----------------------Dybala-------
--------Di Maria---------Gündogan-------
-------------Carrick/Schneiderlin---------------
-Shaw---Hummels----Smalling-----Darmian
---------------De Gea---------

 

[Devil may care]

I agree, which is why Gundogan, who can play as an 8/6 would make a lot of sense. If not him, someone similar.

It's why we need a #6 and a #8 or the problem will keep occurring.

Neither are Rooney and Mata.

Neither are good AM's IMO, second strikers but not deeper, not effectively.

You missed out the part where they won the CL.

I didn't, but we were talking about Mata, not the brilliance and discipline of their ultra negative 9 men back strategy against Barca and Bayern.

 

[Macern]

How come people are including De Gea in their lineups? It's inevitable that he'll leave.

----------------Valdes---------------
Clyne - Hummels - Smalling - Shaw
---------------Carrick-----------------
--------Herrera - Di Maria please------
Mata --------------------------Depay
---------------Rooney------------------

 

[Walters_19_MuFc]

It's why we need a #6 and a #8 or the problem will keep occurring.

It really won't. I've already explained why.

Neither are good AM's IMO, second strikers but not deeper, not effectively.

C'mon mate. Mata has been a great AM in recent seasons. Rooney, although not naturally being an AM has also done a good job there.

I didn't, but we were talking about Mata, not the brilliance and discipline of their ultra negative 9 men back strategy against Barca and Bayern.

We were talking about Mata. It was you that decided to say Chelsea finished 5th, which had no relevance to how good Mata performed for them that season, hence why he got player of the year.

Kane will possibly finished 6th or below with Spurs, but that doesn't take away the fact he's arguably been one of the best players in the league.

 

[Jaap]

Name and shame. Do your own.

What would yours be?

De Gea
Clyne - Smalling - Hummels - Shaw
Carrick/Gündogan
Herrera - Di María
Mata - Rooney - Depay​

 

[JPRouve]

De Gea
Clyne - Smalling - Hummels - Shaw
Carrick/Gündogan
Herrera - Di María
Mata - Rooney - Depay​

You can't talk about piss take and put Gundogan in front of the defense.

 

[bucky]

De Gea
Clyne - Smalling - Hummels - Shaw
Carrick/Gündogan
Herrera - Di María
Mata - Rooney - Depay​

Then my question is, what was your problem with the other teams? Not as realistic? Because there have been similar line-ups to yours.

 

[m1y2]

Assuming we won't splash money for another winger now Depay's in I'm certain we go for no6/physically strong b2b as Van Gaal always play Rooney there. Gundogan link is pretty nice but he will surely want to have more physical team not to play rooney in midfield anymore for that reason

I'll go optimistic, youth and save-some-penny way

DDG
Rafael-Smalling(c)-Rojo- Shaw
Schneiderlin
Herrera - diMaría
Januzaj Rooney Depay

With Schneiderlin in the team we have enough steel back to play Herrera and diMariáa as b2b.
Mata for Januzaj and Jones for Rojo are other possible starting XI's options..
This will mean unreal energy in midfield, if we want more passing style we can always put carrick for Schneiderlin and Fella for diMaría who can have a game out wide..

But this is all guessing preseason will tell..

 

[Silverman]

 

[Devil may care]

It really won't. I've already explained why.

You have and I've explained why I think you're wrong.

C'mon mate. Mata has been a great AM in recent seasons. Rooney, although not naturally being an AM has also done a good job there.

Mata didn't play as an AM at Chelsea, he played as a second striker or you could call it a #10. Rooney has played an AM this season after years as a second striker, he hasn't exactly excelled. Neither are suited to the role when it's a genuine 4-3-3 without a destroyer which essentially converts the role to a SS/#10.

We were talking about Mata. It was you that decided to say Chelsea finished 5th, which had no relevance to how good Mata performed for them that season, hence why he got player of the year.

Kane will possibly finished 6th or below with Spurs, but that doesn't take away the fact he's arguably been one of the best players in the league.

I was replying to you trying to use the CL as a tick box for Mata, being the best player for a team in a poor league campaign his medium praise, and in truth Mata has never came close to the form he had at Chelsea while here. Kane's had a great half a season yes.

 

[Jaap]

You can't talk about piss take and put Gundogan in front of the defense.

So, he doesn't play in front of the back-four? Mind, there probably is a bit of doubt if he can play there on his own.

 

[Rezyuz]

As this is the clown speculation thread:

Depay - Lacazette - Bale

Gundogan - Mata/Herrera

Blind

Shaw - Rojo - Hummels - Clyne

DDG​

Out: Di Maria, Valencia, Falcao

 

[JPRouve]

So, he doesn't play in front of the back-four? Mind, there probably is a bit of doubt if he can play there on his own.

He is a 8, so no he doesn't play in front of the back four, Sahin, Bender or Kehl do. But I suppose that you already know that.

 

[Jaap]

He is a 8, so no he doesn't play in front of the back four, Sahin, Bender or Kehl do. But I suppose that you already know that.

http://sueddeutsche.sportal.de/fuss...html?subpage=statistiklive&subsecond=heatmaps

His heat-map from the Augsburg game. Compare it to Sahin's contribution and you will find that both occupy the same position.

 

[Jacob]

Clyne is so unsexy in lineups it's unreal.

 

[JPRouve]

http://sueddeutsche.sportal.de/fuss...html?subpage=statistiklive&subsecond=heatmaps

His heat-map from the Augsburg game. Compare it to Sahin's contribution and you will find that both occupy the same position.

Same positions different roles, Gundogan is the playmaker and Sahin the enforcer. IMO and I emphasize on the 'in my opinion', the problem in your formation is that all the midfielders you chose are attack oriented, none of them has a 'top defensive nous'.
Gundogan could play in front of the defense like Pirlo does, but only if like Pirlo he is surrounded by the likes of Marchisio, Vidal or Pogba, who are all good defensively and very disciplined.

Edit: And the heat map are very different, and they were playing with Bender.

 

[Jacob]

I would like to see this 2015/16:

DE GEA

HUMMELS-----------JONES
COENTRAO----------------------------------------------------SHAW

STROOTMAN
HERRERA---------------CARRICK

DI MARIA----------------------------------------MEMPHIS
ROONEY



BENCH: VALDEZ, ROJO, BLIND, FELLAINI, MATA, YOUNG, RVP

RESERVES: JANUZAJ, WILSON, MCNAIR, PEREIRA, VALENCIA, BLACKETT

​

 

[Jaap]

Same positions different roles, Gundogan is the playmaker and Sahin the enforcer. IMO and I emphasize on the 'in my opinion', the problem in your formation is that all the midfielders you chose are attack oriented, none of them has a 'top defensive nous'.
Gundogan could play in front of the defense like Pirlo does, but only if like Pirlo he is surrounded by the likes of Marchisio, Vidal or Pogba, who are all good defensively and very disciplined.

Yeah, true that. If he was surrounded by Herrera or, say, di María, he could play that role, no doubt. How about pairing him with Herrera and let Carrick shield the back four, why not, after all, he's versatile and played as a ten before for Dortmund.

 

[WelshManc]

.........................de Gea.........................
Clyne....Smalling....Hummels....Shaw
....................Schneiderlin.....................
............Herrera...............Di Maria........
Muller..............Rooney...........Memphis

Either Schneiderlin or Gundogan, could even do with both.

Subs: Valdes, Jones, Blind, Carrick, Young, Mata, v. Persie.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

I would like to see this 2015/16:

DE GEA

HUMMELS-----------JONES
COENTRAO----------------------------------------------------SHAW

STROOTMAN
HERRERA---------------CARRICK

DI MARIA----------------------------------------MEMPHIS
ROONEY



BENCH: VALDEZ, ROJO, BLIND, FELLAINI, MATA, YOUNG, RVP

RESERVES: JANUZAJ, WILSON, MCNAIR, PEREIRA, VALENCIA, BLACKETT

​

If you are going to shove Valencia all the way down to the reserves, you might as well sell him.

 

[JPRouve]

I would like to see this 2015/16:

DE GEA

HUMMELS-----------JONES
COENTRAO----------------------------------------------------SHAW

STROOTMAN
HERRERA---------------CARRICK

DI MARIA----------------------------------------MEMPHIS
ROONEY



BENCH: VALDEZ, ROJO, BLIND, FELLAINI, MATA, YOUNG, RVP

RESERVES: JANUZAJ, WILSON, MCNAIR, PEREIRA, VALENCIA, BLACKETT

​

Coentrao on the right ? Is that a mistake or you really have that in mind ?

 

[Jacob]

Coentrao on the right ? Is that a mistake or you really have that in mind ?

I thought he could play both sides? It's hard to come up with a realistic RB prospect. I don't like Clyne.

 

[Jacob]

If you are going to shove Valencia all the way down to the reserves, you might as well sell him.

Nah he's decent enough to earn a place on the bench from time to time. He's useful on the wing with his pace when opponents are tired.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Nah he's decent enough to earn a place on the bench from time to time. He's useful on the wing with his pace when opponents are tired.

He might not be happy with that, he isn't some 19 year old youngster.

 

[Walters_19_MuFc]

You have and I've explained why I think you're wrong.

Bit strange seeing as we'd have two players to cover the 6 role, but fair enough.

Mata didn't play as an AM at Chelsea, he played as a second striker or you could call it a #10. Rooney has played an AM this season after years as a second striker, he hasn't exactly excelled. Neither are suited to the role when it's a genuine 4-3-3 without a destroyer which essentially converts the role to a SS/#10.

They've played it fine enough this season and Van Gaal like's his 10's to play high up when off the ball anyway. You'd only have to look at how Van Gaal's been using Fellaini when played there.

I was replying to you trying to use the CL as a tick box for Mata, being the best player for a team in a poor league campaign his medium praise, and in truth Mata has never came close to the form he had at Chelsea while here. Kane's had a great half a season yes.

That doesn't take away the fact he won player of the year twice as a 10.

 

[Devil may care]

Bit strange seeing as we'd have two players to cover the 6 role, but fair enough.

I've also said several times that I don't think Blind is good enough. Also at today's presser LvG said he's looking to buy a player for Carrick's role as he's near the end for a footballer and he needs to address that in the transfer window.

They've played it fine enough this season and Van Gaal like's his 10's to play high up when off the ball anyway. You'd only have to look at how Van Gaal's been using Fellaini when played there.

They haven't played it fine though IMO.

That doesn't take away the fact he won player of the year twice as a 10.

I never said it did, the context diminishes it though.

 

[Walters_19_MuFc]

I've also said several times that I don't think Blind is good enough. Also at today's presser LvG said he's looking to buy a player for Carrick's role as he's near the end for a footballer and he needs to address that in the transfer window.

And I've also said that means the 6/8 we buy can cover for Carrick.


"When you see the stats, it's clear that he's very important but that's also because we have only right-sided holding midfielder. That's what I am saying already in the whole of the season, that our selection is not balanced, and I want to restore that in the next transfer period. The life is not ending at 34, but for a professional football player, it's close by. That's why I have to handle again in that position."


The bold bit is the most important for me. I personally think Van Gaal is referring to Herrera when he says we have only one right-sided holding midfielder, hence why we're strongly linked with Gundogan.

They haven't played it fine though IMO.

Fair enough. That's your opinion. Van Gaal must think differently, though.

I never said it did, the context diminishes it though.

No need to mention league position then. Irrelevant!

 

[Devil may care]

And I've also said that means the 6/8 we buy can cover for Carrick.


"When you see the stats, it's clear that he's very important but that's also because we have only right-sided holding midfielder. That's what I am saying already in the whole of the season, that our selection is not balanced, and I want to restore that in the next transfer period. The life is not ending at 34, but for a professional football player, it's close by. That's why I have to handle again in that position."


The bold bit is the most important for me. I personally think Van Gaal is referring to Herrera when he says we have only one right-sided holding midfielder, hence why we're strongly linked with Gundogan.

Yes and I've said time and again why that's a bad idea.

Herrera isn't a holding midfielder and LvG refers to him as the 60 meters CM, so I don't see how that is the case, but we shall see.

Fair enough. That's your opinion. Van Gaal must think differently, though.

Or he's had to use the options available this season and make do, now he has the chance to upgrade.

No need to mention league position then. Irrelevant!

No, it's relevant as it's context.

 

[Walters_19_MuFc]

Yes and I've said time and again why that's a bad idea.

Herrera isn't a holding midfielder and LvG refers to him as the 60 meters CM, so I don't see how that is the case, but we shall see.

Oh ye, because you don't want to see Fellaini - a player who has been superb of late - as a 10. Fair enough.

Well who is he referring to then, because I very much doubt he's talking about Carrick, as he doesn't play on the right?

Or he's had to use the options available this season and make do, now he has the chance to upgrade.

Possibly, but he's quite clearly come out and said Mata is a 10 and that Herrera couldn't get a game due to this. Think he said the same about Rooney too, but that was before he was used up top.

No, it's relevant as it's context.

It really isn't.

 

[Devil may care]

Oh ye, because you don't want to see Fellaini - a player who has been superb of late - as a 10. Fair enough.

Well who is he referring to then, because I very much doubt he's talking about Carrick, as he doesn't play on the right?

Superb? standards have lowered for Manchester United if he's been considered superb. I also don't see Blind as capable of being our starting #6 either, hence the need for one of each.

He says "We only have one right sided holding midfielder" in his comments about why Carrick is important, so I think he's referring to Carrick and he means right footed.

Possibly, but he's quite clearly come out and said Mata is a 10 and that Herrera couldn't get a game due to this. Think he said the same about Rooney too, but that was before he was used up top.

He's said lots of things over the course of the season, mostly what managers say can be taken with a pinch of salt as it changes like the weather.

It really isn't.

Despite your protestations to the contrary it seems you can't tap out, so I'll do it again and just say agree to disagree.

 

[Walters_19_MuFc]

Superb? standards have lowered for Manchester United if he's been considered superb. I also don't see Blind as capable of being our starting #6 either, hence the need for one of each.

He says "We only have one right sided holding midfielder" in his comments about why Carrick is important, so I think he's referring to Carrick and he means right footed.

Whether some people like it or not, yes, Fellaini was superb against City, Liverpool and Spurs. They could not handle him.

Talk about beating a dead horse. You think we need two specialists (8 an 6), and I think we need a player versatile midfielder who can play, both 8 and 6. Lets just leave that there.

We'll have to see about that one then, because Van Gaal says our selection is not balanced, which I can only assume that if there was an injury to Herrera, we'd have no one to cover him, whereas, whether you think he's good enough or not, when Carrick has been injured this season, Blind has come in.

He's said lots of things over the course of the season, mostly what managers say can be taken with a pinch of salt as it changes like the weather.

But Mata is a number 10. Fact!

Despite your protestations to the contrary it seems you can't tap out, so I'll do it again and just say agree to disagree.

The irony.

 

[Devil may care]

Whether some people like it or not, yes, Fellaini was superb against City, Liverpool and Spurs. They could not handle him.

Talk about beating a dead horse. You think we need two specialists (8 an 6), and I think we need a player versatile midfielder who can play, both 8 and 6. Lets just leave that there.

We'll have to see about that one then, because Van Gaal says our selection is not balanced, which I can only assume that if there was an injury to Herrera, we'd have no one to cover him, whereas, whether you think he's good enough or not, when Carrick has been injured this season, Blind has come in

Your definition of excellent is your own and you're entitled to it.

Yes, you have been beating the same dead horse as well, poor old nag.

He made the comments while talking about Carrick, I think it's pretty obvious he meant he has no cover for Carrick as he was talking about his loss impacting the team greatly.

But Mata is a number 10. Fact!

Okay Rafa.

The irony.

That doesn't make sense, each time we have argued it has been me that has had to let go because you will dig in until the sun sets and then sleep on it and come back for more without budging an inch, hence each time I have been the one that has had to finally say "agree to disagree" because you can't.

 

[Walters_19_MuFc]

Your definition of excellent is your own and you're entitled to it.

Yes, you have been beating the same dead horse as well, poor old nag.

Just doing what you do. Annoying, isn't it?

He made the comments while talking about Carrick, I think it's pretty obvious he meant he has no cover for Carrick as he was talking about his loss impacting the team greatly.

We'll see.

Okay Rafa.

I'll take that as a compliment.

That doesn't make sense, each time we have argued it has been me that has had to let go because you will dig in until the sun sets and then sleep on it and come back for more without budging an inch, hence each time I have been the one that has had to finally say "agree to disagree" because you can't.

Are you serious? Please tell me you're not.

I don't live on this forum, and unfortunately, I cannot reply, like yourself, the second someone quotes me. If I feel I need to make my point and carry on the point I will, if not, I won't. Look at my posts, then have a look at yours and you tell me who never lets go. It isn't the first time this has happened. Like I said before in the Memphis thrad, you always feel you need to get the last say, which is why I'm glad i'm pissing you off. You're such a hypocrite. Go back to all our debates and see who's let go. Tag me when you do.

This is what you said to me via inbox:

"Ok, the reason it went further was merely discussion mate, if you felt it was more than that then sorry, when I log into the Caf I like a good debate and I enjoyed the Fellaini one with you, even enough to go back and admit you were right lol. So I just saw a chance to explore the pros and cons of what you suggested that is all"

Well, the reason I went, and will continue to go further, is merely discussion mate.

 

[Devil may care]

Just doing what you do. Annoying, isn't it?

No, I'm fine, lets keep going round, you never had to reply if you didn't want to.

I'll take that as a compliment.

Not often we get a Benitez fan on here!

Are you serious? Please tell me you're not.

I don't live on this forum, and unfortunately, I cannot reply, like yourself, the second someone quotes me. If I feel I need to make my point and carry on the point I will, if not, I won't. Look at my posts, then have a look at yours and you tell me who never lets go. It isn't the first time this has happened. Like I said before in the Memphis thrad, you always feel you need to get the last say, which is why I'm glad i'm pissing you off. You're such a hypocrite. Go back to all our debates and see who's let go. Tag me when you do.

This is what you said to me via inbox:

"Ok, the reason it went further was merely discussion mate, if you felt it was more than that then sorry, when I log into the Caf I like a good debate and I enjoyed the Fellaini one with you, even enough to go back and admit you were right lol. So I just saw a chance to explore the pros and cons of what you suggested that is all"

Well, the reason I went, and will continue to go further, is merely discussion mate.

That's fine with me, unless I am mistaken there is no one holding a gun to your head to reply, yet you always do, which is fine, but don't whine about dead horses and such if you keep replying, I mean that makes you the hypocrite. I was just trying to move things along because you get so uptight, just like you did last time. I constantly edited down posts and tried to streamline the discussion, if you couldn't see me attempting to keep the discussion positive and going forward then ok.

You go back and look through them if you wish, maybe you can earn yourself a "net victory" or whatever. You make claims and think you are pissing me off, you're not. The fact is you can level all that at me and I'm cool with it, you need to look in the mirror and realize you also cannot let anything go and you are also not willing to budge an inch, if you think you can then you're the one who can't be serious. I know I let things go on too long at times, you do as well, difference seems to me that I accept my flaw, you just want to play the blame game.

 

[Walters_19_MuFc]

No, I'm fine, lets keep going round, you never had to reply if you didn't want to.

Suits me fine.

Not often we get a Benitez fan on here!

I was more going with the fact that he's top manager with great footballing knowledge.

That's fine with me, unless I am mistaken there is no one holding a gun to your head to reply, yet you always do, which is fine, but don't whine about dead horses and such if you keep replying, I mean that makes you the hypocrite. I was just trying to move things along because you get so uptight, just like you did last time. I constantly edited down posts and tried to streamline the discussion, if you couldn't see me attempting to keep the discussion positive and going forward then ok.

You go back and look through them if you wish, maybe you can earn yourself a "net victory" or whatever. You make claims and think you are pissing me off, you're not. The fact is you can level all that at me and I'm cool with it, you need to look in the mirror and realize you also cannot let anything go and you are also not willing to budge an inch, if you think you can then you're the one who can't be serious. I know I let things go on too long at times, you do as well, difference seems to me that I accept my flaw, you just want to play the blame game.

You've literally described yourself in those two paragraphs.

The fact that you even said you tried to streamline the discussion means you were obviously getting sick of the debate, whereas mine was 'merely discussion mate'. If you felt the debate wasn't going anywhere, then the sensible thing would have been not to reply, but you obviously can't help yourself, hence why I expect another reply after this.

 

[Devil may care]

I was more going with the fact that he's top manager with great footballing knowledge.

Too much ammunition. If I was going to describe you as a manger I'd be nice but go with Wenger of the last decade

You've literally described yourself in those two paragraphs.

The fact that you even said you tried to streamline the discussion means you were obviously getting sick of the debate, whereas mine was 'merely discussion mate'. If you felt the debate wasn't going anywhere, then the sensible thing would have been not to reply, but you obviously can't help yourself, hence why I expect another reply after this.

I described you as well, you just can't seem to see it.

No I streamlined it because that is the point of a debate, not going around in circles but trying to progress, something that is impossible with you. You actually now sound like you are basically replying just to try and troll me as if you'd wanted to stop all you had to do was not reply, but of course that isn't your issue, it's mine, just keep telling yourself that, and of course I replied, I mean why wouldn't I give you what you wanted? I'm not selfish.